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On December 29 2012 17:08 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 17:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Ah, so here are the pictures. Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler +Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. [...more but not important to quote]
Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that.
I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive.
That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary.
I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there.
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On December 29 2012 17:24 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 17:08 zefreak wrote:On December 29 2012 17:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Ah, so here are the pictures. Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler +Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. [...more but not important to quote] Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that. I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive. That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary. I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there.
I expanded on my post a bit (not sure if you saw it). I guess it remains to be seen whether your worries have any justification but making conclusions based on two poor quality pictures is probably not best evidence to base conclusions on.
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Supernova is getting ready to join Prime and kick MKP from his number one model spot.
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I am a fan of supernova, but this new look i dont know man, i prefer the old look because i use to it i guess just saying lol, but i will always cheer for supernova. Supernova Fighting!!!
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On December 29 2012 17:30 zefreak wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 17:24 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:On December 29 2012 17:08 zefreak wrote:On December 29 2012 17:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Ah, so here are the pictures. Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler +Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. [...more but not important to quote] Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that. I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive. That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary. I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there. I expanded on my post a bit (not sure if you saw it). I guess it remains to be seen whether your worries have any justification but making conclusions based on two poor quality pictures is probably not best evidence to base conclusions on.
I wonder whether you even read what I wrote.
I included in your quote "[...more but not important to quote]" to indicate I'd seen it but it wasn't important for me to quote it.
I'm not assuming, as I said, I am just saying, very clearly, that based on (yes JUST) those two pictures, one eye doesn't look like it has been 'fixed' consistently with the other and I don't think his face looks like his expressions will show as clearly (and likeably*). It's like you're arguing with me about my right to form an opinion based on two pictures when I'm openly stating that I'm not assuming anything and only discussing based on those two! :/
*+ Show Spoiler +which apparently isn't a word according to many dictionaries, but that seems odd; shouldn't it be correct just as an adverb form? As in admirably, nicely etc. Hrmm. It never actually came into existence as a word in English (in adverb form)?
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On December 29 2012 17:54 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 17:30 zefreak wrote:On December 29 2012 17:24 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:On December 29 2012 17:08 zefreak wrote:On December 29 2012 17:04 Fuchsteufelswild wrote:Ah, so here are the pictures. Definitely ruined. T_T He does not look anywhere near as happy or naturally expressive in the new pictures and in both of them, his left eye (right side of the picture, obviously) look for naturally open than the left, which looks halfways between how they were and how the left is now. Also he looks nothing like NaDa or Jaedong before or after, the faces are completely different! How the hell do people get these ideas from pictures? + Show Spoiler +Just opinion: Gah, people and their obsessions with improving their looks based on poor impressions! I'm sure getting plastic surgery doesn't diminish either his happiness nor his ability to express it. I can guarantee that you are reading more into the images than is there. [...more but not important to quote] Nope, I was not at all assuming anything. I was not saying he actually IS less happy and I didn't say that. I'm saying his face looks less naturally expressive, so even if he is happier (I'd bloody hope so if he's going to pay for plastic surgery), I don't see it at all in the pictures and I think that his face used to look nicer, better at showing that happiness; it was more expressive. That said, I also recognise that they're just two photographs (although I'm also going by my memory of his face from other games) so there might be more to come that better show how expressive his face can still look. Don't confuse "ability to express it as a human being" with "ability for his face to show it", the latter being that of which I'm wary. I still stand by the eyes looking uneven there. I expanded on my post a bit (not sure if you saw it). I guess it remains to be seen whether your worries have any justification but making conclusions based on two poor quality pictures is probably not best evidence to base conclusions on. I wonder whether you even read what I wrote. I included in your quote "[...more but not important to quote]" to indicate I'd seen it but it wasn't important for me to quote it. I'm not assuming, as I said, I am just saying, very clearly, that based on (yes JUST) those two pictures, one eye doesn't look like it has been 'fixed' consistently with the other and I don't think his face looks like his expressions will show as clearly (and likeably*). It's like you're arguing with me about my right to form an opinion based on two pictures when I'm openly stating that I'm not assuming anything and only discussing based on those two! :/ * + Show Spoiler +which apparently isn't a word according to many dictionaries, but that seems odd; shouldn't it be correct just as an adverb form? As in admirably, nicely etc. Hrmm. It never actually came into existence as a word in English (in adverb form)?
To be fair, I read what you wrote but didn't bother reading what I had already written (which is what you quoted and modified).
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LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder.
Visiting a gym would be time better spend.
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I was trying to see the difference but couldn't, then scrolled down and saw the "new" lol. Quite a big difference for him, hopefully he feels it was worth it
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On December 29 2012 10:33 mahO wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 07:25 Tobberoth wrote:On December 29 2012 07:01 Brutaxilos wrote:On December 29 2012 06:43 Tobberoth wrote:On December 29 2012 06:32 NoGasfOu wrote:On December 29 2012 06:16 Brutaxilos wrote:
For all those people claiming that Asians value a "western" look, I strongly disagree. Asians have always favored light skin and large eyes. As for hair dye, we don't dye our hair to "look" white, it's just really as a social class thing. Fashion always changes and those who can afford to flow with it are seen as beautiful. Completely agree. I'm Asian and have large eyes without surgery. The last thing I want is to have Western eyes that look like 2 deep holes. I also don't like to have large nose and be hairy either. Well, you live in the US, you have a different perspective. Trust me, most Koreans I've talked to definitely want the bigger nose as well and most have specifically said it's the western look they go for. This is also said all the time in documentaries on the issue. It might sound arrogant when westerners claim this, but this is what they want themselves. They don't want to look exactly like westerners, they just find some distinct western features attractive. Who knows why, but it's possible the same features would be sought after regardless of "western influence". Okay, well, as an Asian with natural big eyes, I grew up with people telling me that I had beautiful eyes. This is from people of all ages and generations. I SERIOUSLY doubt that my grandparents, who care little about the west have had any influence whatsoever about western standards for looks. Also consider the fact that when I dyed my hair, my white friends spent a few months criticizing me for being too Asian. It's not about trying to look white, it's about trying to look like Asian stars and fit with the fashion trends. If you asked any Asian in Asia, I'm pretty sure over 80% would not want to be or look Caucasian. Asian Americans maybe not so much because a lot are whitewashed. Anyways, it is a bit arrogant, at least from my perspective that you people would think we are trying to look white. Just because whites posses some of the more favorable traits in Asian beauty (although not necessarily perceived the same way in terms of beauty), it isn't the look we are after. I'm sure that some whites have dyed their hair black before. You can't assume that they are trying to look Asian. (and just saying, not all Asians have small eyes, we have "good" traits in our genepool as well) The thing is, there's nothing naturally "good" about big eyes and pale skin. It could just as well be that westerners would want to look more yellowish and have smaller eyes, and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced. It's obviously always up to the individual, but I find it weird any asians would take offence or deny the western influence when the most koreans who subject themselves to it don't deny it. Again, they don't want to look caucasian, but they look at western famous people and find their traits attractive. It's like when my asian friends from Japan and Korea come here and say the people here are so beautiful... well, they aren't, they are just westerners and happen to very commonly have those traits. I go around here and don't find the women all that attractive and instead react the same way in asia. It's exotic and different, I wouldn't marry a Korean if I found westerners more attractive, so this is not MY opinion at all, I'm just saying that if cosmetic surgeons in Korea in a documentary specifically state that most koreans they do work on ask for a "western style" or "western traits", there's probably a lot of truth in it. EDIT: As for the comment on pale skin being beautiful because of it indicates wealth, there's a lot of truth in that as well, though I don't think it's fair to say it's like that in Korea because they were poor 50 years ago, because it's the exact same in Japan, women from Hokkaidou are considered very beautiful because of their pale skin, while the view of Okinawans is the opposite. Bahahah what? "and it's generally acknowledged that the reason those traits are favorable are because of western influence historically. It's easy to say "I made my hair blonde because I want to look like GDragon, I don't give a crap about the west", but that doesn't change where his fashion was influenced." WTF are you smoking? Blonde hair isnt popular in lets say mangas because of Marylin Monroe, they just like blond hair get it? Generally acknowledged? No, they just like big eyes, africans got big eyes, koreans want to look like someone from Nigeria / Sweden / Canada? No, they just like big eyes, stop fooling yourself please. The asian standards in beauty arent describing the fact that they want to look like caucasians rofl, lots of people there like pale skin for some reason, and big eyes, thats it, how ridiculous is it to claim they want to look like caucasians, they dont.
How weird... they state they want to look like westerners, have a surgery... and "they don't". Very weird indeed.
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On December 29 2012 19:49 Hetz wrote:
LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder.
Visiting a gym would be time better spend.
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Do you even face lift?
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First i looked at the hair and thought "well that's not really something different" :-D
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On December 29 2012 19:49 Hetz wrote:
LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder.
Visiting a gym would be time better spend.
User was temp banned for this post.
Because going to the gym somehow makes you longer?
As for their fitness.... I think it would be pretty preposterous to make the case that westerners are better fit than the average asian. Them being short doesn't mean they don't have a good proportion of muscle. Asian males with a six pack are probably more common than westerners, especially if you include countries with obesity problems like the US.
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If I had to guess who was in the bottom pic without knowing better I'd have to say NaDa.
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Aslong as he's happy. Personally I think he looks a lot better after, though I'm not sure if it was me, if I'd go for it. But again, it's all about being happy, so if his looks bothered him before, hopefully it doesn't anymore.
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On December 28 2012 13:57 JackReacher wrote:
Like Michael Jackson and IdrA before him, he just couldn't withstand the desire to change races.
Epic.
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On December 29 2012 20:53 Tobberoth wrote:Show nested quote +On December 29 2012 19:49 Hetz wrote:
LOL, what's all the fuss with their faces while the rest of their body still looks like they have some sort of growth disorder.
Visiting a gym would be time better spend.
User was temp banned for this post. Because going to the gym somehow makes you longer? As for their fitness.... I think it would be pretty preposterous to make the case that westerners are better fit than the average asian. Them being short doesn't mean they don't have a good proportion of muscle. Asian males with a six pack are probably more common than westerners, especially if you include countries with obesity problems like the US.
A six pack on a skinny guy is like big tits on a fat girl.
Having abs that show is just a question of having low body fat and is no way an indicator of musle mass.
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I like Mr New Supernova much better or is that a western bias?
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From stream today:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/LDp5s.jpg)
That's not that different... I'm disappointed >.<V
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