TLO Featured on Daily Planet

On December 05 2012 02:20 twoxmachine wrote:
That's hilarious, the researchers originally could not even fathom someone playing as badly as the reporter! I wonder what player pool they're drawing from.

On December 05 2012 02:23 eqinf wrote:
funny ,

only sad thing

probably all 50000 billion esport fans klick that button same time and discovery cant handle it -.-

On December 05 2012 02:18 Kilby wrote:
I believe Discovery videos are region locked so that people outside NA cannot view them. I learned this a long time ago when trying to view Mythbusters clips. Probably not a very good decision by them.

On December 05 2012 03:06 Chronos. wrote:
Wow 600 APM, must have really been improving a lot lately XD

Anyway it figures that some things would sound ridiculous / exaggerated to us, but it sounds like it would get the point across to non-gamers. It was a pretty cool feature, hopefully Starcraft gets more recognition like that int he future!

On December 05 2012 02:46 tehcaekftw wrote:
It dosnt work for people outside US/Ca because of region locks.

Proxies dosnt seem to work either, so, is itp ossible anyone in US/Ca could record it and upload it for us non-US/Ca to watch?

On December 05 2012 03:09 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
I was expecting people on the tl forum to be able to use a proxy. I just use my standard program for it and im fine

was kinda funny, tlo likes his role as a superhero^^ although hes not actually one of the top players in europe nor in Germany skillwise.
Fanbase and Community wise hes one of the top foreigners,

On December 05 2012 03:45 loginn wrote:
I used this proxy to watch it : http://174.136.50.254/~ipxnowin/r.php?nin_u=Oi8vd3d3Lmdvb2dsZS5jb20=&nin_b=1&nin_f=norefer

On December 05 2012 03:45 loginn wrote:
I used this proxy to watch it : http://174.136.50.254/~ipxnowin/r.php?nin_u=Oi8vd3d3Lmdvb2dsZS5jb20=&nin_b=1&nin_f=norefer

On December 05 2012 03:29 Kilby wrote:


Not one of the top players in Germany? I would disagree with that. Please name five German players who are better than TLO.

On December 05 2012 04:22 Thienan567 wrote:
For those of you who are missing out,

- TLO is one of the world's top players and has 600 APM
- The reporter never played SC before, he played as well as can be expected
- Shots of the team itself are mostly from MLGs, ingame shots are mostly from DH
- Mark Blair of Simon Fraser Uni takes an interest in SC2 and learning, apparently has his students play sc2
- Reporter broke the analysis script the prof and his team came up with because he wasn't good enough
- Makes a classic noob mistake and almost destroys his own rax

Also lol at 5:50

On December 05 2012 04:26 SpikeStarcraft wrote:


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Europe/Nationals/Germany

In WCS Germany he placed 9-12th, losing to hasu obs and Jaxx.
Players who placed better were Socke, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Krass, Heromarine, DBS, Jaxx and Kara.
DBS, Jaxx and Kara are inactive at the moment.
so there are 5 people left: Socke, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Krass and Heromarine being significantly better than TLO and still active.
I would count Hanfy better too since he won the last german EPS against players like Hasu, Socke and Monchi. That would be 6 players being better.
Then there are people roughly at the same level like Delphi and Tarrantius who placed 9-12th too at WCS and Goody which i wouldnt consider definetely inferior to TLO.

But well, now that TLO lives in Berlin, Germany he could compete in the next season of the German EPS and show where hes at in the German scene skillwise.

On December 05 2012 04:27 Kilby wrote:


Just in case you were trying to be sarcastic about it, yes, TLO is actually one of the world's top players at SC2. The APM thing though is a bit silly and I would have hoped that TLO had said that APM is really not that important to be good at SC2. But I guess since generally it doesn't hurt either he didn't say that.

On December 05 2012 04:26 SpikeStarcraft wrote:


http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2012_StarCraft_II_World_Championship_Series/Europe/Nationals/Germany

In WCS Germany he placed 9-12th, losing to hasu obs and Jaxx.
Players who placed better were Socke, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Krass, Heromarine, DBS, Jaxx and Kara.
DBS, Jaxx and Kara are inactive at the moment.
so there are 5 people left: Socke, Hasuobs, Darkforce, Krass and Heromarine being significantly better than TLO and still active.
I would count Hanfy better too since he won the last german EPS against players like Hasu, Socke and Monchi. That would be 6 players being better.
Then there are people roughly at the same level like Delphi and Tarrantius who placed 9-12th too at WCS and Goody which i wouldnt consider definetely inferior to TLO.

But well, now that TLO lives in Berlin, Germany he could compete in the next season of the German EPS and show where hes at in the German scene skillwise.

On December 05 2012 04:34 Willba wrote:


These results are 6 months old and TLO has improved a lot during this time. At this current point in time he is definitely one of the best German players.

On December 05 2012 04:44 leandroqm wrote:


Whoever trully loves eSports, will not have adblock on their systems :D

On December 05 2012 04:22 Thienan567 wrote:
For those of you who are missing out,

- TLO is one of the world's top players and has 600 APM
- The reporter never played SC before, he played as well as can be expected
- Shots of the team itself are mostly from MLGs, ingame shots are mostly from DH
- Mark Blair of Simon Fraser Uni takes an interest in SC2 and learning, apparently has his students play sc2
- Reporter broke the analysis script the prof and his team came up with because he wasn't good enough
- Makes a classic noob mistake and almost destroys his own rax

Also lol at 5:50

On December 05 2012 04:41 SpikeStarcraft wrote:


Hes not competing much against German players. Thats true.
But what indicates that hes better than socke, hasuobs, darkforce, krass, heromarine or hanfy?
He gets invited to a lot of tournaments and he has a big fanbase but thats no reason why I would consider him better. If he wants to be one of the top players in Germany he has to prove it yet. You need to give a reason why he would be better than those people i named.
Its unfortunately that Darkforce didnt play WCG, i think he could have placed good. Hasuobs did do well at IEM singapore. TLO gets a lot of exposure everywhere, hes much more present than other players. but thats no indication of skill.

On December 05 2012 05:48 Scholera wrote:
I really want to see it. Can a NA citizen plz record with say, hypercam 2, so I can view it?

P.S: It says im from US but I'm UK

On December 05 2012 06:04 KingdoM123 wrote:



http://174.136.50.254/~ipxnowin/r.php?nin_u=Oi8vd2F0Y2guZGlzY292ZXJ5Y2hhbm5lbC5jYQ==&nin_b=0&nin_f=norefer#clip819190

This one works Direct link to their stream of it, just some ads first.

On December 05 2012 05:25 Mariosatr wrote:


TLO went 4-1 in his group at DH Winter, being the only player with HerO to take games off him in the entire tournament, let alone beat him. Now that may not be amazing, but he also beat DIMAGA, Bischu and TargA. That result alone places him above a lot of those players.

Also, no offence but Heromarine and Krass are bettter? That's like saying KilleR and Suppy are better than Stephano because they placed higher in BWC. Heromarine and Krass don't have much going for them but a few German tournaments and WCS Germany; TLO competes mainly in international tournaments as opposed to German.

On December 05 2012 07:02 Clout308 wrote:
How cool would it be to be part of that study?!

On December 05 2012 06:54 MWY wrote:


Actually, they are becoming really really good now. I remember Hasu losing to Krass several times lately.

On December 05 2012 06:04 KingdoM123 wrote:
http://174.136.50.254/~ipxnowin/r.php?nin_u=Oi8vd2F0Y2guZGlzY292ZXJ5Y2hhbm5lbC5jYQ==&nin_b=0&nin_f=norefer#clip819190

This one works Direct link to their stream of it, just some ads first.

On December 05 2012 07:29 Mariosatr wrote:


I'm sure they could be improving, but still, the point was that TLO is a pretty high-tier foreigner. WCS Germany isn't the only viewpoint, and while DH Winter isn't too, you have to admit he's been doing a lot better recently; while KraSs may be getting better, I doubt he'll be able to compete on an international level like TLO does until atleast 2013.

On December 05 2012 06:04 KingdoM123 wrote:



http://174.136.50.254/~ipxnowin/r.php?nin_u=Oi8vd2F0Y2guZGlzY292ZXJ5Y2hhbm5lbC5jYQ==&nin_b=0&nin_f=norefer#clip819190

This one works Direct link to their stream of it, just some ads first.

On December 05 2012 05:25 Mariosatr wrote:


TLO went 4-1 in his group at DH Winter, being the only player with HerO to take games off him in the entire tournament, let alone beat him. Now that may not be amazing, but he also beat DIMAGA, Bischu and TargA. That result alone places him above a lot of those players.

Also, no offence but Heromarine and Krass are bettter? That's like saying KilleR and Suppy are better than Stephano because they placed higher in BWC. Heromarine and Krass don't have much going for them but a few German tournaments and WCS Germany; TLO competes mainly in international tournaments as opposed to German.

On December 05 2012 07:18 CrushDog5 wrote:


You CAN be part of the study.
SkillCraft is an ongoing research program investigating cognitive motor expertise through the analysis of game data. Our scientific paper is now out for review, and we're working on more projects (and awaiting results from grant applications).

Our next project is a longitudinal study were players who have saved a large percentage of their replays can submit all their games to us for analysis. We're planning to be ready to collect data in February, before the HoTS release, so save your replays!

On December 05 2012 08:22 kraut wrote:


oh hai

http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/Multiplay_UK_i47

On December 05 2012 11:24 ETisME wrote:

after watching his code A qualification games, I just can't say he is a good player at all. He tried to do cool strategies like nydus and roach drop against a mass thor terran and lost completely.
he won a few games because of his scouting (clever scouting for proxy) and base trades. I don't remember he won any by standard games at all

seems it is region locked in Europe.

On December 05 2012 16:38 Mariosatr wrote:

I stand corrected, but honestly, Multiplay UK isn't a "huge international tournament"; it's minor at best. That doesn't change anything about competing on an international level.



Code A? The only time a foreigner wins in code A is if it's a fluke or occasionally NaNiwa; by your logic, people like ThorZaIN aren't good either.

On December 05 2012 04:05 Chaloo wrote:


Yes worked fine for me, thank you!

On December 05 2012 02:35 TheFlock wrote:
Haha that was pretty funny, It seemed like the results for learning cognitive expertise were pretty lame and extremely obvious but I can't complain that I get to see TLO and SC2 on Discovery

I was wondering why they put shots of HerO vs Puma and even Zenio, when i'm sure Dario has lots of exciting replays he could have pulled up for the cameras... Oh well

GG WP Dario! Great TV spot

On December 05 2012 22:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Just because youre competing internationally doesnt mean that you're better skillwise.

On December 05 2012 22:57 SpikeStarcraft wrote:
Just because youre competing internationally doesnt mean that you're better skillwise.
TLO can compete there because he has a funny personality and therefore a huge fanbase that wants to see his fancy strats, gets direct invites or is able to travel to the open bracket because he has a team that pays for his travel expenses and he has commited himself to be a fulltime pro gamer.

That has nothing to do with skill and its incredibly hard for unknown players to make it to international tournaments. You need to qualify for the event which isnt that easy compared to direct invites or open brackets (tlo failed yesterday in IEM Katowice qualification stage 1 against fuzer), you need a good team that is willing to pay for your travelling (really hard to find), you need a fanbase so you're more appealing for sponsors and you have to make the commitment to be a fulltime pro because if you still go to school or work you cant just travel around the world all the time.

That are just way harder obstacles than just being better skillwise. The only reason why you would consider him better is because hes competing internationally and you hear from him all the time. If you just compare results where you can draw a direct comparison (WCS, I47) theres no indication that tlo is actually better.
But well as i said, im looking forward for him to compete in EPS because then you can see how good he actually is in direct comparison to other German players.
I dont try to be mean or anything, i just think its unfair to player who struggle to get as much exposure to think that they must be worse skillwise, just because you dont hear as much from them.

On December 06 2012 01:55 Kennigit wrote:
Bump! They got it uploaded to youtube.

On December 05 2012 16:38 Mariosatr wrote:

I stand corrected, but honestly, Multiplay UK isn't a "huge international tournament"; it's minor at best. That doesn't change anything about competing on an international level.



Code A? The only time a foreigner wins in code A is if it's a fluke or occasionally NaNiwa; by your logic, people like ThorZaIN aren't good either.

On December 06 2012 02:08 RiSkyToss wrote:

Maybe a link would help..... o.o