This is your first championship victory. Please tell us your thoughts.
I doubted whether I could win the tournament with my level of skill, so I'm happy that I was able to win like this.
During the Day 2 playoffs, you faced three Zergs in a row. Didn't you have trouble?
Even before playing, I had already anticipated the result of my match against Scarlett in the Round of 16. As long as I could play using the strategies that I was best at and could execute most reliably, I felt that I would not lose. I thought that I could also manage to beat Suppy 3-0, but I think that I had a difficult time during that match because I broke down psychologically.
Sen, the Taiwanese player whom you faced in the semifinals, had reached the Round of 4 by defeating Curious and HerO. Had you planned to use Immortal rushes when you went into the match?
I thought, "If even Korean players have a hard time blocking this attack, how can a foreigner do it?" Personally, even I was curious about how to break the Immortal rush.
Which match would you call your most difficult during this event?
There wasn't a single player whom I would consider an obstacle. The person whom I wanted to face in this tournament was Rain-hyung. I wanted to get revenge on him for the WCS Asia finals.
After winning, what was the first thought that passed through your head?
After taking the victory, the first thing I thought was, "[I just won] 100 million [won]!" (laughs)
What are you thinking of spending your prize money on?
I plan to save all of it and hand it over to my mother. I'm planning to receive some of it as an allowance whenever I need money.
Life did win a tournament recently, but this is the first championship victory by a core StarTale member.
Although Life is a fellow StarTale player, he originally came from ZeNEX. Before my games, I told my manager, "As a core player, I will make sure that I win so that you won't have to deal with people calling our team KongTale." I'm glad that I was able to keep that promise. I want to go back to the team house and tell my hyungs that we won't have to settle for second place anymore. I also want to try bragging a bit (laughs).
We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder.
Please tell us about any future ambitions or last words that you may have.
Recently, I think I've done well during tournaments that have a "W" in their names, so I'm looking forward to showing good results during the upcoming WCG. I believed that I would not be able to win a tournament this year, but I feel that my worries have dissipated with today's victory, and I think that I will be able to do well even after the transition to Heart of the Swarm. The people whom I want to send my thanks to first are naturally my family members. I also want to thank my team's director, ESC, for taking care of my mental state, as well as my family at StarTale. I want to thank my team's sponsors, Red Bull, Zowie Gear, and Joy Gear. When I drank Red Bull this year, it gave me wings.
Pretty interesting statement about Suppy. From what Parting said it seems as if Suppy didnt just watch the games, he actually got the replays from Scarlett, which to him is a breach of etiquette. I wonder if this is something that is frowned upon by the players at large, meaning Suppy/Scarlett fucked up/cheated.
On November 19 2012 02:48 Fu[G]u wrote: Pretty interesting statement about Suppy. From what Parting said it seems as if Suppy didnt just watch the games, he actually got the replays from Scarlett, which to him is a breach of etiquette. I wonder if this is something that is frowned upon by the players at large, meaning Suppy/Scarlett fucked up/cheated.
I would like to ask that people don't cast judgement on Suppy or Scarlett prematurely
On November 19 2012 02:39 wozzot wrote: Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder.
Okay I have to admit I have now become a Parting fan because of that line.
"We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Smart play by Suppy to watch the replays as that's how you win, you get information on your opponent. Much the same way as Kespa players do in their training
as soon as you've played a certain strategy in a tournament you should not rely on people not knowing about it, it's totally stupid to blame your opponent for it. there is a reason you save strategies, so when you don't, blame it on your own lack of creativity rather than the opponent's intelligence.
PartinG reaching new heights of arrogance ... And now it's even mixed with xenophobia both against ZeNEX and foreigners. So maybe he should reflect upon his own philosophy instead of cutting sleep. *sigh*
PartinG is awesome, glad he finally got his win this year. People take PartinG so serious when he is playfully being cocky. There is times when he does act humble (shocking I know!), but people just conveniently ignore those other interviews done this year.
Watching replay at the venue is considered against esportmanship, at least by Korean gamers. This reminds me of the WCG 2006 incident where Sky (Chinese human) somehow got a hold of GoStop's (Korean undead) quarterfinal replays, examined it and dominated him in the semi. It was a pretty big deal back then.
On PartinG's iview, it's cocky in a funny and very honest way. Totally enjoyable
Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
Lol you really think they need to study foreigners directly at the venue in order to beat them? Maybe against Stephano, but probably not against the other foreigners, they don't need it.
I think the problem for parting was that two, unrelated progamers (except that they both play zerg and are from NA) "helped each other" during a tournament. It's not as if they dissected his play beforehand, which I think he'd be fine with.
I don't know, but I do see his point, that is it.
Cool interview either way, really liking Partings play, especially as of late!
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
Lol you really think they need to study foreigners directly at the venue in order to beat them? Maybe against Stephano, but probably not against the other foreigners, they don't need it.
well, if Parting thinks exactly like this, why did he get mad?
On November 19 2012 04:16 Gorlin wrote: The Suppy thing is strange, considering how it's well known how much the Koreans help each other against foreigners while at events.
I don't think it's about helping each other before a match. I think it's more than he built 15 spine crawlers blindly with no scouting information.
Parting gave good interview. Also, I think his professional nature truly factors into his sponsorship line - especially that red bull gave him wings. (Red Bull marketing execs probably had a mini-orgasm when he said that.)
I think Parting is saying, about that replay stuff - "Two foreigners working together tried to beat me. I had to slap him down hard." Or some similar sentiment.
Also, I like the sentiment from him about the immortal sentry push - even he's not sure how you stop it. (Although there could be a little less "foreigners suck" in the interview overall. I mean, you don't have to keep rubbing our noses in it.)
Related - Is it now to be called the Won One Million Won build?
Doubt it is the replay sharing or anything, more about they thinking he is a one trick pony and that he would not know how to react to that sort of overcommitting to defense.. Because Koreans always trade their infos on tournaments as well. Grats to Parting and Kong... err Startale ! I wish I would be at that level, because I am curious why the Immortal push is so strong there. But since it would mean giving up my other games I will probably never find out.
I love Partings interviews! I was waiting for him to finally win a big tourney so I can hear what kind of smack talk he had. Laughed so hard at "When I drank Red Bull this year, it gave me wings."
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
There was a big ruckus about this back in WCG with Sky getting a hold of some replays during the course of a tournament, but it was written into the rules that he wasn't supposed to watch them. (He claimed bad English comprehension as a defense.)
I don't think Parting's making a big deal about it. It sounds more like he hates people blind countering him in such a blatant manner.
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
There was a big ruckus about this back in WCG with Sky getting a hold of some replays during the course of a tournament, but it was written into the rules that he wasn't supposed to watch them. (He claimed bad English comprehension as a defense.)
I don't think Parting's making a big deal about it. It sounds more like he hates people blind countering him in such a blatant manner.
Then maybe he shouldn't play predictably? How absurd
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
There was a big ruckus about this back in WCG with Sky getting a hold of some replays during the course of a tournament, but it was written into the rules that he wasn't supposed to watch them. (He claimed bad English comprehension as a defense.)
I don't think Parting's making a big deal about it. It sounds more like he hates people blind countering him in such a blatant manner.
Then maybe he shouldn't play predictably? How absurd
flash doesnt complain about getting blind allin vs CC first, parting should just suck it up and win anyways
How are so many people misunderstanding that part of the interview about Suppy. It is not about looking at his replays or working together with another foreigner to beat him. I am sure Koreans are dissecting the replays of their opponents with their teammates all the time.
Parting says that Suppy goes for a complete blind counter while at the same time clearly lacks the proper practice to understand what he is doing, hence Parting responded by making his attack even stronger that time. He is basically calling Suppy a lesser player and he is right. It is not like he went out of his way to say that - he was asked a question, he answered honestly.
My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder.
nice one!
to me, parting has been one of those "faceless" koreans until now, I really liked some of his games. (the immortal pushes are kinda boring to watch, but his execution is really amazing.)
On November 19 2012 05:01 monsterDrakar wrote: How are so many people misunderstanding that part of the interview about Suppy. It is not about looking at his replays or working together with another foreigner to beat him. I am sure Koreans are dissecting the replays of their opponents with their teammates all the time.
Parting says that Suppy goes for a complete blind counter while at the same time clearly lacks the proper practice to understand what he is doing, hence Parting responded by making his attack even stronger that time. He is basically calling Suppy a lesser player and he is right. It is not like he went out of his way to say that - he was asked a question, he answered honestly.
It's open to interpretation. He mentions how much more Koreans practice than foreigners, and then emphasizes the fact that Suppy got to see Scarlett's replays and learn his timings. His well practiced play was blind countered and he lost to a foreigner because his timings got leaked, and it upset him.
My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder.
nice one!
to me, parting has been one of those "faceless" koreans until now, I really liked some of his games. (the immortal pushes are kinda boring to watch, but his execution is really amazing.)
You haven't tried to keep up with the Korean scene properly then because Parting has been like this for a long time.
You don't need to watch his replays to know his timing given the amount of times he's done it in the past. The funny thing is that he ended up switching it up the next game and lost with a different all in, then went back to doing immortal all ins and winning with them. It obviously wasn't just Suppy knowing his timings that lost him the first game, but rather the fact that he decided to BLINDLY all in against fifteen spine crawlers.
On November 19 2012 03:51 Arceus wrote: Watching replay at the venue is considered against esportmanship, at least by Korean gamers. This reminds me of the WCG 2006 incident where Sky (Chinese human) somehow got a hold of GoStop's (Korean undead) quarterfinal replays, examined it and dominated him in the semi. It was a pretty big deal back then.
On PartinG's iview, it's cocky in a funny and very honest way. Totally enjoyable
But really, blindly building 15 spine crawlers isn't that subtle an adaptation that you would need replays for it. To me it sounds like he found building 15 spine crawlers unprofessional, rather than the talking to Scarlett. Either way, his statement isn't very clear (much less why any of it would make him "break down psychologically").
The guy talked about "offended" that Suppy tried to win him just blindly going mass spines. He is being COCKY, not a drama queen. I can understand that.
On November 19 2012 05:01 monsterDrakar wrote: How are so many people misunderstanding that part of the interview about Suppy. It is not about looking at his replays or working together with another foreigner to beat him. I am sure Koreans are dissecting the replays of their opponents with their teammates all the time.
Parting says that Suppy goes for a complete blind counter while at the same time clearly lacks the proper practice to understand what he is doing, hence Parting responded by making his attack even stronger that time. He is basically calling Suppy a lesser player and he is right. It is not like he went out of his way to say that - he was asked a question, he answered honestly.
It's open to interpretation. He mentions how much more Koreans practice than foreigners, and then emphasizes the fact that Suppy got to see Scarlett's replays and learn his timings. His well practiced play was blind countered and he lost to a foreigner because his timings got leaked, and it upset him.
Are you serious, what is there to leak? Why would you need replays to know when his attacks arrive? The Scarlett games were streamed to the whole world.
I agree with monsterDrakar. Still a little unclear to me why he "broke down psychologically", but whatever, maybe he just has a lot of pride.
On November 19 2012 04:16 Gorlin wrote: The Suppy thing is strange, considering how it's well known how much the Koreans help each other against foreigners while at events.
I don't think it's about helping each other before a match. I think it's more than he built 15 spine crawlers blindly with no scouting information.
This.
Also, Parting likes to have bold and sometimes dramatic answers...I'm sure his soul as a progamer isn't wounded at all.
On November 19 2012 05:25 foxj wrote: lol @ Suppy kids fanbois
Problem? Parting's "pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions" - what is that supposed to mean?
He probably saw it as a cheesy blind counter, something that many pros would get a bit annoyed with. And the part you quoted seemed to me like he just wanted to emphasise that it just made him want to win even more (playing like a professional gamer would). The only thing you can really get out of his answer is that he consider himself a better sc2 player than suppy.
It is a little confusing, because getting upset about a minor thing and then complaining about it on the internet is exactly what drama queens do. But, to be clear, this is not what Parting did. Instead, he got upset about the replays, and decided to smash his opponent in-game as a result... something we can all agree is a proportionate and even welcome response.
Then he bragged about doing this in the interview. That's just Parting.
I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
On November 19 2012 05:59 darkness wrote: I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
Better than blowing it all like most young 20 year olds do no?
Its not like Mom is going to rush out and buy a benz for herself. It'll probably be saved towards buying a house for when Parting marries or upgrading their own home. Its a stereotype but most middle-class Koreans will convert a stack of cash to property.
On November 19 2012 05:01 monsterDrakar wrote: How are so many people misunderstanding that part of the interview about Suppy. It is not about looking at his replays or working together with another foreigner to beat him. I am sure Koreans are dissecting the replays of their opponents with their teammates all the time.
Parting says that Suppy goes for a complete blind counter while at the same time clearly lacks the proper practice to understand what he is doing, hence Parting responded by making his attack even stronger that time. He is basically calling Suppy a lesser player and he is right. It is not like he went out of his way to say that - he was asked a question, he answered honestly.
It's open to interpretation. He mentions how much more Koreans practice than foreigners, and then emphasizes the fact that Suppy got to see Scarlett's replays and learn his timings. His well practiced play was blind countered and he lost to a foreigner because his timings got leaked, and it upset him.
Are you serious, what is there to leak? Why would you need replays to know when his attacks arrive? The Scarlett games were streamed to the whole world.
I agree with monsterDrakar. Still a little unclear to me why he "broke down psychologically", but whatever, maybe he just has a lot of pride.
"Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack." Read it again. He says Suppy won because of the replays he saw. Maybe Suppy didn't need to watch those to learn his timings, but Parting still thinks that is the reason his push failed. It's pretty clear.
On November 19 2012 05:59 darkness wrote: I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
Considering most Asian parents spend their whole life to be able to give their children the best education, lifestyle, food that is possible I don't see what is wrong with this.
I find it more wrong how some western people are sometimes borderline ungrateful to their parents.
On November 19 2012 06:02 MetalPanda wrote: Well, I liked Parting before this interview.. Now I'm not so sure anymore. He's being too cocky right now.
There are differences between being cocky and saying things in jest, keep in mind that a lot of can be lost with the interview being passed to written form and a translation. Parting is always practicing, smiling and greeting his opponentes after a loss, for me those are signs of a humble man having fun.
His interviews are always cocky on a funny side, typical parting.
On November 19 2012 05:59 darkness wrote: I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
o.O culture in asia is really parent-centric you'll notice a lot of western parents, in old age, probably will not be expected to be taken care of by their kids, since they don't want to be a burden in asia, it's considered an honor to be taken care of by your kids when you get old, etc
On November 19 2012 06:02 MetalPanda wrote: Well, I liked Parting before this interview.. Now I'm not so sure anymore. He's being too cocky right now.
There are differences between being cocky and saying things in jest, keep in mind that a lot of can be lost with the interview being passed to written form and a translation. Parting is always practicing, smiling and greeting his opponentes after a loss, for me those are signs of a humble man having fun.
His interviews are always cocky on a funny side, typical parting.
A good example of hard to figure out in interviews is Parting during the OSL nomination ceremony. If you read the transcript, you'd think he was an arrogant jerk. If you watched it, everyone was very much enjoying his jests
I agree many people are over-reacting to Parting's comments about Suppy. Typical Parting-type comments, nothing new. Koreans help Koreans, foreigners help foreigners, teammates help teammates - who cares? It's not as if Suppy didn't know what was coming anyway.
I do have to say I was rooting for a Zerg for the first time I can recall (country before race lmao) and I was crazy-excited after the first two games.
Edit- By the way, anyone else get tired of seeing PvZs?? I don't include PvP and ZvZ because I couldn't even bring myself to watch more than a few of these.
On November 19 2012 05:59 darkness wrote: I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
It's Confucianism & filial piety. Basically, think of yourself as an investment that your parents made. You need to pay them back somehow for draining a ton of their assets over several years; often this is done through monetary support (esp. when they are older) and by being a good, loyal child. (This doesn't only just apply to Korea btw, but most of Asia).
There are both positive and negative things about this way of thought, and you often run into that conflict between collective and individual desires.
On November 19 2012 03:32 Otolia wrote: PartinG reaching new heights of arrogance ... And now it's even mixed with xenophobia both against ZeNEX and foreigners. So maybe he should reflect upon his own philosophy instead of cutting sleep. *sigh*
Ahh kids these days ...
Wtf?! "Xenophobia against ZeNEX"? People call StarTale KongTale -> Life wins -> People still call the team KongTale as Life just recently joined ST -> Now Parting wins and there is no reason anymore to speak of a ST curse. Where exactly is Partings xenophobia (assuming that word would be applicable in this situation)?
"Xenophobia against foreigners", because he says that Koreans practice more than foreigners? Seriously?
On November 19 2012 05:59 darkness wrote: I still can't understand Korean culture where most pro gamers feel the need to give most money to their parents. Sure they raised them and what not, but... is this the same in the west?
It's Confucianism & filial piety. Basically, think of yourself as an investment that your parents made. You need to pay them back somehow for draining a ton of their assets over several years; often this is done through monetary support (esp. when they are older) and by being a good, loyal child. (This doesn't only just apply to Korea btw, but most of Asia).
There are both positive and negative things about this way of thought, and you often run into that conflict between collective and individual desires.
Thanks - I was under the impression the south korean savings rate was much higher than it was so that botched my thinking, this seems like a solid explanation.
Anyway, loved the Parting interview, what a boss. I can understand watching replays in practice time but mid tournament... come on Suppy take it like a man, you were going to lose either way haha.
Can't understand why people have a problem with Parting's interview. It's a known fact that Koreans tend to practice much more than foreigners, and it shows. Not exactly an insult to state facts.
On November 19 2012 06:28 Siggen wrote: I didn't see the games vs Suppy, but I feel that studying your opponents games should be praised upon rather than looked down on.
From WC3 I know it was fretted upon if you watched replays during tournaments (can't remember the tournament, but there was an incident at a tournament where a player was very upset about chinese players sharing replays between eachother and the second one he faced beating him). It's totally fine preparing beforehand and even use old VODs, replays, etc during a tournament, but receiving the freshest material directly in replay form is not cool.
On a sidenote, I do realize opponents can watch livestreams, but overall this is unavoidable and gives less information anyway (one camera view, missing stuff, watching from afar, etc.)
On November 19 2012 06:55 Shiori wrote: Can't understand why people have a problem with Parting's interview. It's a known fact that Koreans tend to practice much more than foreigners, and it shows. Not exactly an insult to state facts.
People love fluff, drama, and like to come to conclusions of what is really being said despite not knowing the tone used in a translated article.
Oh jeez, he was already cocky before. This win will inflate his head pretty high I figure. I hope not though. I like Parting, but I don't really want him to go full blown arrogant.
On November 19 2012 02:48 Fu[G]u wrote: Pretty interesting statement about Suppy. From what Parting said it seems as if Suppy didnt just watch the games, he actually got the replays from Scarlett, which to him is a breach of etiquette. I wonder if this is something that is frowned upon by the players at large, meaning Suppy/Scarlett fucked up/cheated.
I don't think that's what he was angry about. It's probably more of the "foreigners don't take this game seriously, instead of scouting he just blind countered without thinking about it" is an insult to people who practice their hearts out to know what is right to do in the situation... at least i think thats what it is.
For some reason I was suprised that warp prisms could pick up units while in phase mode. I feel as if this should not be possible. While it promotes micro, it also makes this nearly overpowered immortal push almost unstoppable.
Parting is a cry baby and he is just lucky no korean terrans were there.
On November 19 2012 07:32 artosismermaid wrote: For some reason I was suprised that warp prisms could pick up units while in phase mode. I feel as if this should not be possible. While it promotes micro, it also makes this nearly overpowered immortal push almost unstoppable.
Parting is a cry baby and he is just lucky no korean terrans were there.
Isn't PartinG best at PvT actually? At least until he started using wonwonwon.
On November 19 2012 07:32 artosismermaid wrote: For some reason I was suprised that warp prisms could pick up units while in phase mode. I feel as if this should not be possible. While it promotes micro, it also makes this nearly overpowered immortal push almost unstoppable.
Parting is a cry baby and he is just lucky no korean terrans were there.
Isn't PartinG best at PvT actually? At least until he started using wonwonwon.
I think the point Parting wants to make is that, while it's normal to check replays during practice, it's not that fair to check those during the tournament.
Every good player knows he is studied, so he would prepare with that in mind and bring even small variations. This was a two days tournament, so how many PvZ builds could Parting have specifically prepared for the tournament? To me it seems that Suppy did get an unfair advantage by having those replays.
On November 19 2012 06:38 VirgilSC2 wrote: The number of times I've seen Koreans watching replays together after matches at events is astounding.
Really surprised PartinG would say something like that.
This is a pretty stupid comment. What's astounding? Don't bracket Parting as just another Korean player, every individual is different and is subject to his/her own opinions.
On November 19 2012 07:32 artosismermaid wrote: For some reason I was suprised that warp prisms could pick up units while in phase mode. I feel as if this should not be possible. While it promotes micro, it also makes this nearly overpowered immortal push almost unstoppable.
Parting is a cry baby and he is just lucky no korean terrans were there.
Isn't PartinG best at PvT actually? At least until he started using wonwonwon.
I'm pretty sure he hasn't practiced PvT at all in some time now, specifically because those terrans didn't make it to BWC.
Eh the drama is unneeded however i find it amusing parting was visibly upset and mad yesterday according to frodan bexause suppy watched his replays...then he cried when he won?
On November 19 2012 07:43 GreyKnight wrote: Eh the drama is unneeded however i find it amusing parting was visibly upset and mad yesterday according to frodan bexause suppy watched his replays...then he cried when he won?
No, he bragged of how good koreans are compared to foreigners that even with a player studying his replays and blindly "countering" him, he still rapes him. You people still don't get it.
On November 19 2012 05:01 monsterDrakar wrote: How are so many people misunderstanding that part of the interview about Suppy. It is not about looking at his replays or working together with another foreigner to beat him. I am sure Koreans are dissecting the replays of their opponents with their teammates all the time.
Parting says that Suppy goes for a complete blind counter while at the same time clearly lacks the proper practice to understand what he is doing, hence Parting responded by making his attack even stronger that time. He is basically calling Suppy a lesser player and he is right. It is not like he went out of his way to say that - he was asked a question, he answered honestly.
It's open to interpretation. He mentions how much more Koreans practice than foreigners, and then emphasizes the fact that Suppy got to see Scarlett's replays and learn his timings. His well practiced play was blind countered and he lost to a foreigner because his timings got leaked, and it upset him.
Are you serious, what is there to leak? Why would you need replays to know when his attacks arrive? The Scarlett games were streamed to the whole world.
I agree with monsterDrakar. Still a little unclear to me why he "broke down psychologically", but whatever, maybe he just has a lot of pride.
"Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack." Read it again. He says Suppy won because of the replays he saw. Maybe Suppy didn't need to watch those to learn his timings, but Parting still thinks that is the reason his push failed. It's pretty clear.
Oops, ok, sorry. Weird.
Maybe there should be rules about (not) passing on replays in tournaments then, although I still don't understand how a blunt move like Suppy's could be based on studying replays.
On November 19 2012 07:43 GreyKnight wrote: Eh the drama is unneeded however i find it amusing parting was visibly upset and mad yesterday according to frodan bexause suppy watched his replays...then he cried when he won?
No, he bragged of how good koreans are compared to foreigners that even with a player studying his replays and blindly "countering" him, he still rapes him. You people still don't get it.
there are things that just don't know for sure how it was meant, because it is in written form. Everybody is just interpreting it in his/her own way and only Parting+interviewer know the answer. I think the Interviewer or whoever wrote that should have written something like "(laugh)" or a writers note what Parting exactly meant.
On November 19 2012 07:32 artosismermaid wrote: For some reason I was suprised that warp prisms could pick up units while in phase mode. I feel as if this should not be possible. While it promotes micro, it also makes this nearly overpowered immortal push almost unstoppable.
Parting is a cry baby and he is just lucky no korean terrans were there.
Isn't PartinG best at PvT actually? At least until he started using wonwonwon.
I'm pretty sure he hasn't practiced PvT at all in some time now, specifically because those terrans didn't make it to BWC.
It's not like he played a Korean Terran just a couple of days ago in Code S...
On November 19 2012 06:38 VirgilSC2 wrote: The number of times I've seen Koreans watching replays together after matches at events is astounding.
Really surprised PartinG would say something like that.
I think he was just making fun of him by saying although being blind countered Parting still won. I don´t blame him, if you blind counter someone you should win, especially on 2-3 bases.
On November 19 2012 03:39 EU.Pink wrote: holy shit his mother must be happy that she just got all his prize money
Im guessing this is almost unheard of in the western world. But this is pretty common in Asia because of the Asian upbringing.
Tbh I'm having huge trouble imagining what else an 18 year old could/should do with that kind of money, esp. one who (presumably) isn't going to college anytime soon ... you might as well give it to your parents to manage; they probably will have more financial know-how than a teenager.
On November 19 2012 08:14 haduken wrote: Meh parting...
He should learn that by devaluing his opponents, he also devalues his win. If his opponents are all noobs then his win is just a win vs noobs.
He is just being honest. He beat a bunch of foreigners and a single korean to win 100k. This is the reason global competition is a farce. WELCOME TO STARCRAFT!
On November 19 2012 07:43 GreyKnight wrote: Eh the drama is unneeded however i find it amusing parting was visibly upset and mad yesterday according to frodan bexause suppy watched his replays...then he cried when he won?
No, he bragged of how good koreans are compared to foreigners that even with a player studying his replays and blindly "countering" him, he still rapes him. You people still don't get it.
uh that's not my point, if you read frodan's tweets they explain the situation.
On November 19 2012 08:14 haduken wrote: Meh parting...
He should learn that by devaluing his opponents, he also devalues his win. If his opponents are all noobs then his win is just a win vs noobs.
He is just being honest. He beat a bunch of foreigners and a single korean to win 100k. This is the reason global competition is a farce. WELCOME TO STARCRAFT!
It's almost as if Parting didn't have to go through the national and regional qualifiers to even have a seed...
On November 19 2012 07:43 GreyKnight wrote: Eh the drama is unneeded however i find it amusing parting was visibly upset and mad yesterday according to frodan bexause suppy watched his replays...then he cried when he won?
No, he bragged of how good koreans are compared to foreigners that even with a player studying his replays and blindly "countering" him, he still rapes him. You people still don't get it.
Suppy starting up 2-0 doesn't quite sound like that bro. Parting's all-in is quite known by everyone, replay or not..
On November 19 2012 08:14 haduken wrote: Meh parting...
He should learn that by devaluing his opponents, he also devalues his win. If his opponents are all noobs then his win is just a win vs noobs.
He is just being honest. He beat a bunch of foreigners and a single korean to win 100k. This is the reason global competition is a farce. WELCOME TO STARCRAFT!
It's almost as if Parting didn't have to go through the national and regional qualifiers to even have a seed...
That's kind of irrelevant because each event is separate. No one says look at what so and so did to qualify for MLG, IPL, GSL and then use those qualifiers as proof of how hard the main event is. They're each separate events on their own and their toughness are judged individually. I like parting, but the fact is WCS KR was harder to win than WCS finals and he had an easy road to win 100k. I would have said the same for whoever won too, not just because it was parting.
The prize pool was the biggest of the year, but it was also one of the easiest tournaments of the year and no one can really dispute that based on the player pool. It just had far too many foreigners for it to be considered one of the harder tournaments of the year. Of course, that was its purpose since it was a world tournament, but then that also makes it one of the easier tournaments of the year with so few koreans in it relative to the rest.
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
I think some of Parting's message got lost in translation, and it came off as more arrogant and serious than he intended. Still, if you brag about how your Immortal push is unstoppable and do it every PvZ, eventually people won't have to scout you and can still prepare for it.
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Oh damn it's on?! Suppy son? You should tweet parting to ask him for clarification, but I like a good grudge match too! Rivalry is on now!
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Dont worry bud, you did great ! You shall become insanity wolf soon
People look way to much into this. This is the person that claimed that his all-in was unstoppable even if his opponent knew it was coming. Then suppy blocked it, ofc his pride is hurt after the bragging.
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
I don't think he was being a gigantic asshole, I think he was just being a cocky jackass, like oh how offensive this ant is trying to beat me. I think it was said in jest.
On November 19 2012 09:20 Assirra wrote: People look way to much into this. This is the person that claimed that his all-in was unstoppable even if his opponent knew it was coming. Then suppy blocked it, ofc his pride is hurt after the bragging.
THIS!
I'm pretty sure Parting meant that he pride was hurt because someone stop his soul build.
What a dumb statement about Suppy blindly building spines... everybody knows he does this allin, he bragged about it himself. He also said he was curious how it could be stopped, but then complains when suppy counters it lol. Parting doesn't even know that Suppy does this since forever against immortals sentry... argh this really annoys me.
On November 19 2012 09:31 Fueled wrote: what happened to the trophy?!? Looks a lot smaller in that picture.
Not sure, but my guess is that they let you keep the smaller trophy(the one that parting is holding) and the huge trophy changes every time a new wcs champion is crowned.
On November 19 2012 09:31 Fueled wrote: what happened to the trophy?!? Looks a lot smaller in that picture.
Not sure, but my guess is that they let you keep the smaller trophy(the on that parting is holding) and the huge trophy changes every time a new wcs winner is crowned.
Yep there are two, but the bigger one stays at the Blizzard HQ.
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Koreans often jokingly quip towards other players in interviews to create controversy. I wouldn't worry about it too much, I am sure he is just trying to make a show. Of course, to foreigners we find this kind of thing insulting, but escalating the issue surely won't help any. We are all very proud of how well you performed at BWC; you have nothing to be ashamed of... you played your heart out and it showed. I wish you a safe trip home- enjoy your winnings, you earned it [;
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
From reading his other interviews I'm sure he meant nothing by it. I wouldn't take it out of context.
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment due to your overly inflated ego
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment because of your overly inflated ego
But you know Parting. Do you remember what he said about Mvp? He has always been like that. Additionally the core of his statement is true - he lost his games because his opponent knew perfectly well what was coming, replays or no replays.
Typical responses you would expect from PartingfOu. So cocky all the time ^_^
On November 19 2012 09:07 Superiorwolf wrote: I'd like to meet you in another tournament and show you that my pride as a semi-professional gamer can't tolerate such actions
I hope this happens :D PartinG clearly upset that he is a full time pro and barley squeaks by the Superiorwolf
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment because of your overly inflated ego
But you know Parting. Do you remember what he said about Mvp? He has always been like that. Additionally the core of his statement is true - he lost his games because his opponent knew perfectly well what was coming, replays or no replays.
the core of his statement is irrelevant because he stated that suppy did his build blindly, hes ensuing that it was a luck based win hence hes discrediting it. anywho doesnt really matter
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment because of your overly inflated ego
But you know Parting. Do you remember what he said about Mvp? He has always been like that. Additionally the core of his statement is true - he lost his games because his opponent knew perfectly well what was coming, replays or no replays.
I believe Parting said Mvp was not very good and he would 3-0 him, but since It's Mvp he will let him win a game.
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment because of your overly inflated ego
But you know Parting. Do you remember what he said about Mvp? He has always been like that. Additionally the core of his statement is true - he lost his games because his opponent knew perfectly well what was coming, replays or no replays.
I believe Parting said Mvp was not very good and he would 3-0 him, but since It's Mvp he will let him win a game.
Then he got stomped, good times.
Good thing he kept his Soul and I hope he will never change. People are always sad when Koreans have no character. Here we have our character.
I think it's pretty funny reading all these anti-fan notes on Parting's interview... it's a bit of publicity and such... there's reality and perception... people need to cool down and enjoy the games, listen to some Chael Sonnen, have a laugh and don't take it seriously... would be interesting to check the ages of these anti-fans who are getting pissed at these kind of interviews...
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
no worrys im sure all the players could tell that he was just trying to make up some bullshit excuse to discredit his losses against you, the majority of korean players have huge egos. the truth eventually comes in these type of situations so theres no point in wasting your energy over stuff like this, just gotta keep chuggin along bro
dont let this mess up your mindset or ruin your accomplishment~ you represented the na scene very well
Ego with plenty of skills to back it up. I don't see any problem with that. Isn't that also the same reason why Stephano is regarded as one of the best both in and out of the game?
yea well theres a fine line tho, it becomes disrespectful when you try to discredit someone elses accomplishment because of your overly inflated ego
But you know Parting. Do you remember what he said about Mvp? He has always been like that. Additionally the core of his statement is true - he lost his games because his opponent knew perfectly well what was coming, replays or no replays.
I believe Parting said Mvp was not very good and he would 3-0 him, but since It's Mvp he will let him win a game.
Then he got stomped, good times.
Good old season two GSL, so many great memories ^_^
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Who gives a shit? He 2 based his way to a championship, that doesn't even count as a real win in my eyes. lol. You are 10x the player he is.
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Who gives a shit? He 2 based his way to a championship, that doesn't even count as a real win in my eyes. lol. You are 10x the player he is.
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Who gives a shit? He 2 based his way to a championship, that doesn't even count as a real win in my eyes. lol. You are 10x the player he is.
No. Suppy is awesome and a great player, and could have won the series, but I think he still has a ways to go.
On November 19 2012 03:22 ROOTT1 wrote: "We've heard that during your quarterfinal match against Suppy, there was some kind of problem.
Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built around 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder."
rofl suppy didnt need to watch ur reps vs scarlett to know that you like to 2base immo allin. thats his standard response against 2base allins
Omfg TT1 you are amazing. This sick Korean protoss was so mannered to me all throughout the tournament, come time that he's no longer near me he just acts like a gigantic asshole? If he thinks that everyone doesn't already know how he plays he's pretty stupid when he's the one blatantly claiming that he goes sentry immortal all in. Maybe he should pay attention more to the foreign scene because that's the exact same way I've been holding off sentry immortal all ins forever now. Maybe you could watch Chanman's Pro Corner from several months back and see literally THE EXACT SAME BUILD. Don't downplay your opponent's strategy just because you've never seen it before. I scout that it's a robo sentry immortal all in and make spines. I don't blindly make spines.
I don't think he was being a gigantic asshole, I think he was just being a cocky jackass, like oh how offensive this ant is trying to beat me. I think it was said in jest.
Yeah what would have happened if PartinG and the koreans at the event went and shared replays of all your games and decided to build a straight using their superior knowledge to completely destroy you a hell of alot worse than he ended up doing? Come up with something more creative than blindly building 15 spines and getting lucky.. You took replays and analyzed them with other people and PartinG did no such thing throughout the tournament... Hope the next tournament your in that people pass around all your tournament replays and come up with every counter timing in the book to your builds and see how much they destroy you. Oh wait Koreans have more respect for players than that. Because they don't need to sit and analyze replays while a tournament is going on...
Yes the koreans all stick together and watch the game streams or even watch live and come up with strategies which most people I think are bringing up. Nothing wrong with that because it's not like they can exactly go back and check out and count everything and know the exact unit compositions. They get vague numbers from watching live which is very different than studying replays... Just like people have brought up from a WC3 tournament. Someone got ahold of replays of their next opponent and completely counter him because they were able to sit and study replays while the tournament was still going on..
Grow up. He completely destroyed you after that 1 game. EG Curse bit you in the ass and hopefully that continues.. Hope people watch and make sure your not taking tournament replays from other players to get an advantage of studying build that people used during tournaments... Embarrassing to see that from you. Obviously your a patch zerg seeing how you only emerged after the queen buff...
1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: 1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
Yes, I don't think Suppy or TT1 should be taking this as seriously as they are, it is legitimizing the drama
On November 19 2012 10:11 Dontkillme wrote: I really wish more players would have attended BWC... It was lacking Korean terrans
I kind of blame Blizzard. They should have given more spots to Koreans. Its sad that the most difficult part of WCS was the Korean Championship with a so much smaller price.
On November 19 2012 02:39 wozzot wrote: Compared to foreign players, Koreans are willing to practice to the point of cutting down on sleep. But after I defeated Scarlett, Suppy examined her replays. Having seen my timings and strategies in those replays, Suppy blindly built 15 Spine Crawlers and Zerglings even before I had moved out to attack. My pride as a professional gamer could not tolerate such actions, so I decided to show him what for by attacking him even harder.
Okay I have to admit I have now become a Parting fan because of that line.
On November 19 2012 10:11 Dontkillme wrote: I really wish more players would have attended BWC... It was lacking Korean terrans
I kind of blame Blizzard. They should have given more spots to Koreans. Its kinda sad that the most difficult part of WCS was the Korean Championship with a so much smaller price.
Considering top 12 for Korea were 8 protoss, 3 zerg and 1 terran I dont think that would have helped
Wow, Parting said something controversial that is actually just him saying the same trollish things he's been saying for his entire career. You people must also believe that he never loses with his 2 base sentry/immortal all-in in practice as well because he said so. *facepalm*
Its one thing to be unprofessional by being disrespectful, its another thing to smear another player to cover up your failures by lying about their behavior at a tournament.
On November 19 2012 10:11 Dontkillme wrote: I really wish more players would have attended BWC... It was lacking Korean terrans
I kind of blame Blizzard. They should have given more spots to Koreans. Its kinda sad that the most difficult part of WCS was the Korean Championship with a so much smaller price.
Considering top 12 for Korea were 8 protoss, 3 zerg and 1 terran I dont think that would have helped
Yeah, true. But who knows, if they would have let the top 12 Koreans go the imagination of Terrans in WCS may have become Reality.
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
When you put it in context like that ... yeah, I'm surprised people are taking him so seriously.
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: 1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
Jest or not PartinGs comment was not in good taste. Directly discrediting your opponents play is never a good move. This is the first time I ever had a problem with something PartinG said. I feel as though something was lost in translation since it's the first time PartinG has said something like this about his opponent after the fact..
I do agree somewhat with what PartinG said though. He was STUPID enough to attack into 12 spine crawlers w/pre made zerglings the first two games.
Parting is well known for joking about with other players. Obviously it's a translation so it's hard to say for sure, but I find it almost impossible to imagine he was 100% serious with his comments. Calm down on the drama.
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: 1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
Jest or not PartinGs comment was not in good taste. Directly discrediting your opponents play is never a good move. This is the first time I ever had a problem with something PartinG said. I feel as though something was lost in translation since it's the first time PartinG has said something like this about his opponent after the fact..
I do agree somewhat with what PartinG said though. He was STUPID enough to attack into 12 spine crawlers w/pre made zerglings the first two games.
I didn't have a chance to watch their games, but did supply really blindly build crawlers? i think that looking at replays isn't too bad, but just blindly metagaming like that looks bad in terms of skill..
He's slightly ticked he got meta-gamed (blind counter based on knowledge from outside the game), but I dunno why it's being taken so seriously, it's pretty obviously a joke. Are we really stuck in the "Koreans are emotionless robots" mindset still, to the point where we get mad over a friendly jibe?
While this tournament was exciting and I'm happy to see Parting finally get his win, I wish the Korean qualifiers would have been more recent. We would have definitely seen more KR terrans judging by recent GSL results, as well as maybe Life and Leenock (who looks like the best in the world) getting spots.
I think Parting means to say that he thinks Koreans are better because they practice harder, so seeing Suppy do some last-second "cramming" makes him think that it's a poor substitute for quality practice. So that's one thing he seems to dislike. But what he's really upset about is the blind defensive counter against Parting. The two can be unrelated in the context of just that one game. He thinks foreigners don't practice correctly, AND that Suppy blind countered because that's all he can think to do, instead of "elevating his game" or whatever.
So basically, Parting took offense to losing to Suppy at all, but to lose because of a blind counter made him especially pissed. Imagine the hilarity had Suppy found a way to win the series.
So I don't really agree with Parting's words, but I believe that's what he was going for.
He does seem to strongly dislike foreigners, and dismissed his losses to Suppy as something of cheating (replay sharing) and blind preparation/luck.
I have to admit, he seems a little disrespectful and kind of a big man-baby here. What did he expect Suppy to do, not assume Parting would use that same build again? Yeah, sure :/
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: 1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
Jest or not PartinGs comment was not in good taste. Directly discrediting your opponents play is never a good move. This is the first time I ever had a problem with something PartinG said. I feel as though something was lost in translation since it's the first time PartinG has said something like this about his opponent after the fact..
I do agree somewhat with what PartinG said though. He was STUPID enough to attack into 12 spine crawlers w/pre made zerglings the first two games.
What else was he supposed to do? It is called Sentry-Immortal-ALL-IN
On November 19 2012 10:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote:But what he's really upset about is the blind defensive counter against Parting. The two can be unrelated in the context of just that one game.
I am pretty sure he was not upset at all. He is not dumb. He is bragging about his own skill. Nothing new there.
On November 19 2012 09:11 Superiorwolf wrote: You don't understand. This is the guy who was incredibly nice and mannered, after our game I wished him gl and gave him a hug, and now I wake up still super distraught about those games (literally every single one is running through my head constantly) and I see this? I'm pissed.
Who gives a shit? He 2 based his way to a championship, that doesn't even count as a real win in my eyes. lol. You are 10x the player he is.
Implying P can win lategame PvZ.
maybe we would know if they could if they didn't abuse 2 base all ins every game.
There's enough games that extend past hive that give us a pretty good idea of how lategame ZvP goes.. every zerg player that was interviewed in the last few tournaments admit it.
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
On November 19 2012 10:13 Entirety wrote: 1. PartinG's statement was a jest... 2. PartinG has far more skill than Suppy. There is a reason why Suppy is regarded as a very good North American player and why PartinG is regarded as one of the top players in the world.
PartinG is that type of person... when he loses, he will blame you for looking at replays, or he will blame his teammate for giving him a crappy build, or he will say he gave you a game out of the goodness of his heart, or he will cry imba. All of these are just JOKES - he is not trying to insult you, so don't take it personally...
Jest or not PartinGs comment was not in good taste. Directly discrediting your opponents play is never a good move. This is the first time I ever had a problem with something PartinG said. I feel as though something was lost in translation since it's the first time PartinG has said something like this about his opponent after the fact..
I do agree somewhat with what PartinG said though. He was STUPID enough to attack into 12 spine crawlers w/pre made zerglings the first two games.
What else was he supposed to do? It is called Sentry-Immortal-ALL-IN
On November 19 2012 10:46 MountainDewJunkie wrote:But what he's really upset about is the blind defensive counter against Parting. The two can be unrelated in the context of just that one game.
I am pretty sure he was not upset at all. He is not dumb. He is bragging about his own skill. Nothing new there.
With his pride, I'd be willing to wager that he's upset he lost a game to a foreigner at all. Which seems fine.
I don't want him burned at the stake or anything! This kind of talk isn't "killing esports"
I also must acknowledge that meaning and intent can be lost in translation from Korean to English.
I love how suppy scouting him every game and reacting to that information metamorphs into blind countering. Shows how many people here with their important opinions actually even watched the games
If he just blind countered him every game then he would have auto lost game 2 where Parting did a build that hits a minute and a half earlier and Suppy reacted completely differently.
Parting obviously knows this so its probably a mistranslation or boasting.
I'd find it interesting to find Naniwa's take on the incident, as leaked replays from pride/fellowship as opposed to being teammates has been something he's been VERY outspoken against in the past. Granted, most of the time when he was annoyed it was because of practice partners leaking stuff, an incident much worse than what happened here, but still, it's interesting that for once foreigners have had the benefit of replay sharing to help win, as opposed to it being a big Korean thing.
On November 19 2012 11:11 Ver wrote: I love how suppy scouting him every game and reacting to that information metamorphs into blind countering. Shows how many people here with their important opinions actually even watched the games
If he just blind countered him every game then he would have auto lost game 2 where Parting did a build that hits a minute and a half earlier and Suppy reacted completely differently.
Parting obviously knows this so its probably a mistranslation or boasting.
Have you ever thought that because he knew the timings, Supply known when to scout?
Anyway it is already over and gratz to Parting.
No matter whether Supply did or did not see the replays, Parting won that series and is the superior player.
Well in the end, it matters not what we think. He just made more in one tournament than any of us here will make in 2-5 years (depending on your jorbz).
Eh, can't believe people are getting offended. At this point it should be pretty obvious Parting is never very serious in his interviews. To me it just sounds like Parting doing his usual cocky-shtick- 'yeah, this guy tried to figure me out by watching replays, so I stomped him even harder'. I don't think he really cared about them watching the replays that much. I think if anything the interviewer was the one at fault for even bringing it up.
On November 19 2012 02:48 Fu[G]u wrote: Pretty interesting statement about Suppy. From what Parting said it seems as if Suppy didnt just watch the games, he actually got the replays from Scarlett, which to him is a breach of etiquette. I wonder if this is something that is frowned upon by the players at large, meaning Suppy/Scarlett fucked up/cheated.
I think he's referring to the fact that, as a professional, you should rely solely on your own abilities to win and not to anticipate your opponent using sources outside of the game during a short tournament. Obviously you can easily just watch their games live but Parting seems ticked off that Suppy went out of his way to watch the actual replays.
On November 19 2012 04:01 T.O.P. wrote: Koreans help each other against foreigners to maintain their superiority complex. Yet when foreigners do it they feel like it's a violation of a code of conduct? What a hypocrite?
Lol you really think they need to study foreigners directly at the venue in order to beat them? Maybe against Stephano, but probably not against the other foreigners, they don't need it.
I remember reading about how Nestea, Leenock, and DRG were talking to each other at an MLG Arena about Naniwa's strrategies and habits.
so many butthurt fans of the losers of the tournament coming here to bash parting, when the player they rooted for didnt even get 10k while parting gets 100k!! :D
Feels like there's a lot of people here who don't normally reading Parting interviews. Seriously, that's just his personality, don't take him so seriously. It's distracting from all the gold comments that are in there.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
On November 19 2012 13:08 bittman wrote: Hahaha, really some people hate Parting for his interviews?
Guess we should just hope we only get Kespa interviews in the future so every single progamer reminds us to wear something warm when it gets cold.
The weather is changing. I hope that everyone takes good care of themselves and dresses warmly so they don't get sick. Thank you, and I promise to show good games in the future. *bow*
On November 19 2012 02:48 Fu[G]u wrote: Pretty interesting statement about Suppy. From what Parting said it seems as if Suppy didnt just watch the games, he actually got the replays from Scarlett, which to him is a breach of etiquette. I wonder if this is something that is frowned upon by the players at large, meaning Suppy/Scarlett fucked up/cheated.
I think he's referring to the fact that, as a professional, you should rely solely on your own abilities to win and not to anticipate your opponent using sources outside of the game during a short tournament. Obviously you can easily just watch their games live but Parting seems ticked off that Suppy went out of his way to watch the actual replays.
Major tournaments (OSL, GSL etc) don't release replays, I can imagine watching a replay in that context being seen as something a bit over the line. Watching the games live doesn't let you note down specific timings and placements quite as much.
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
He didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Watching replays isn't cheating.
On November 19 2012 09:07 Superiorwolf wrote: I'd like to meet you in another tournament and show you that my pride as a semi-professional gamer can't tolerate such actions
To be honest, I wasn't a big fan when EG signed you. I decided to root for you when you played Parting because even though I'm a Protoss player, I had to choose country over race and root for a Zerg in the first time I can ever recall in PvZ.
I'm officially a Suppy fan now, God I love the fire in this guy!
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
He didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Watching replays isn't cheating.
PartinG doesn't seem to know that. The fact that he even mentions it in the interview implies that he either thinks it's outright cheating or breaking some unofficial pro-gamer code of ethics.
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
He didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Watching replays isn't cheating.
PartinG doesn't seem to know that. The fact that he even mentions it in the interview implies that he either thinks it's outright cheating or breaking some unofficial pro-gamer code of ethics.
I would hate to be a pro-gamer and have my off-the-cuff interview responses analyzed by TL and reddit. Can't please everybody.
If Parting thought it was cheating, he would have said so.
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
He didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Watching replays isn't cheating.
PartinG doesn't seem to know that. The fact that he even mentions it in the interview implies that he either thinks it's outright cheating or breaking some unofficial pro-gamer code of ethics.
I would hate to be a pro-gamer and have my off-the-cuff interview responses analyzed by TL and reddit. Can't please everybody.
If Parting thought it was cheating, he would have said so.
That's the thing about being a public figure. Your words will be scrutinized. If you don't like it, don't be a pro gamer or anyone in the public eye.
Dunno if Suppy actually watched the replays. I dunno how he would get a hold of them. He probably watched the VODs considering they were out like 5-10 mins after the match
To everyone who keeps saying what I did is blind, I encourage you to check out Chanman's Pro Corner where I went over immortal sentry all-in defense, and how to scout it. This was several months ago, but it's literally the exact same thing. You can scout whether it's an all in or not.
On November 19 2012 12:41 Goldfish wrote: I don't get the hate for Parting.
People complain about Koreans being robots but whenever they do anything else, people complaint that they're too arrogant or cocky.
I can understand the thing regarding sharing replays though but it's understandable - he sounded just a bit bitter that he almost lost against Suppy + maybe Zerg bias because him + other players have complained about Zerg before.
Overall, I don't think people should make a big deal about this.
He has earned the right to be cocky, He just won WCS and 100k$
Parting is such a boss
Honestly, I'm sick of all this "cockiness =personality" bullshit. Being professional in interviews, making fair calls about yourself and your opponents, and just being nice in general...now that's the kind of personality that lets us enjoy the game. I can see it being funny or lighthearted when someone like MC does a ceremony or says something along the lines of "he drone drone, me all in, me win", but when you accuse your opponent of cheating and talk down a particular group of players (foreigners), that's not funny. It's PartinG being an asshole. Also, he hasn't earned the right to be cocky. Two all-kills and a WCS win don't make you the best player in the world,. (That would be the humble Mvp, who stomped PartinG 3-1 the last time they played in the GSL.)
He didn't accuse anyone of cheating. Watching replays isn't cheating.
PartinG doesn't seem to know that. The fact that he even mentions it in the interview implies that he either thinks it's outright cheating or breaking some unofficial pro-gamer code of ethics.
I would hate to be a pro-gamer and have my off-the-cuff interview responses analyzed by TL and reddit. Can't please everybody.
If Parting thought it was cheating, he would have said so.
That's the thing about being a public figure. Your words will be scrutinized. If you don't like it, don't be a pro gamer or anyone in the public eye.
Yeah, you should know it's going to happen.
Doesn't change the fact that people reading in something that hasn't been said into a translated interview are being fucking ridiculous.
On November 19 2012 19:45 Superiorwolf wrote: To everyone who keeps saying what I did is blind, I encourage you to check out Chanman's Pro Corner where I went over immortal sentry all-in defense, and how to scout it. This was several months ago, but it's literally the exact same thing. You can scout whether it's an all in or not.
I figured it wasn't blind, and even if it was blind i don't know how people are suprised since parting does this build 11/10 times
I find that I like the personality, too many players aren't memorable because they don't give us anything to hang on to to differentiate the individual as unique.
If PartinG is a giant asshole in general he wouldn't have that many friends and so many people who like him as all the selcas and random photos prove. As in a GNN interview with a coach and manager said before, a player not only has to have skill but personality since a large part of e-sports is showmanship since it's hard to be personable sitting behind a computer on a stage. There are so many skilled players but the ones we remember most even if they aren't performing the best at the moment are the ones with the most personality like MKP, DRG, MC and the likes.
If I'm perfectly frank, though I don't follow Suppy nearly as much, seeing him come into a community debating thread to woe over how much he feels betrayed over a translated interview given when someone's on a winner's high gives me a less favorable first impression on Suppy's personality sadly, regardless about what the interview actually says.
I'm glad PartinG won, he's been doing well but just falling short and he's right, this first place win is really what StarTale needs to firmly climb their way out of their KongTale name and I'm glad he could do that for his team.
On November 19 2012 02:39 wozzot wrote: I doubted whether I could win the tournament with my level of skill, so I'm happy that I was able to win like this.
And people call this man arrogant and cocky? seriously, how can a guy who basicly said "i didnt think i was good enough to take this so im very happy i could prove to myself that i was capable" be regarded as arrogant and cocky?
I just don't get why people are so surprised that PartinG's kind of cocky. He's always been this way and his confidence is part of what makes him such an amazing player. I hope he never changes because he produces some amazing games as a result.
EDIT: I also am surprised at the claims PartinG is being xenophobic. We're talking about the guy who used to joke with Naniwa and SaSe nonstop on twitter about stealing each others socks. He's a big goofball, not some huge asshole who's trying to rub Suppy's face in the dirt because he's a foreigner.
On November 20 2012 01:57 Swords wrote: I just don't get why people are so surprised that PartinG's kind of cocky. He's always been this way and his confidence is part of what makes him such an amazing player. I hope he never changes because he produces some amazing games as a result.
what cockyness? i cant find much confidence in this interview. he said that going into this he did not think he could win because his skill was not high enough and that he didnt expect to win anything in 2012. you guys are not reading the interview, youre just assuming its cocky because its parting.
On November 19 2012 02:39 wozzot wrote: I doubted whether I could win the tournament with my level of skill, so I'm happy that I was able to win like this.
And people call this man arrogant and cocky? seriously, how can a guy who basicly said "i didnt think i was good enough to take this so im very happy i could prove to myself that i was capable" be regarded as arrogant and cocky?
anyone? explanation? im confused.
Its just TL norm, cherry picking and eager to cut down its what happens when you have exponential growth as a site where everyone is free to post their opinions(within the TL commandments of course). That and there are a lot of sheeple in this world that enjoy jumping on a bandwagon or readily "defend" a player who they think has been attacked.
I used to think people where going too far when they called people cocky for saying things like "i felt confident entering this tournament", but when someone gets called arrogant and cocky when he literary said that he did not expect to win this tournament or any other event this year because his skill is too low, i dont know what to think...
On November 19 2012 02:39 wozzot wrote: I doubted whether I could win the tournament with my level of skill, so I'm happy that I was able to win like this.
And people call this man arrogant and cocky? seriously, how can a guy who basicly said "i didnt think i was good enough to take this so im very happy i could prove to myself that i was capable" arrogant and cocky?`
anyone? explanation? im confused.
People don't realize that Parting's interview was specifically crafted to cater to the Korean audience, what with it originally being in Korean and all, jump to conclusions in spite of there being insufficient context, and they are also very very salty
I've had to change some of the wording because people were somehow getting the impression that Parting looked down on Life and ZeNEX players for some reason
This interview contains come goodies. Regarding the Suppy/Parting debate, Parting says that "there are just a few North American players at that level right now." (Referring to Korean level). Suppy is obviously one of the people he is referring to.
Also to those disagreeing that Parting is cocky, he is, but in a funny way. Q: The name of the trophy is the gosu trophy, do you feel like the most gosu player right now? A: I have left like a Gosu since a first made it into GSL Code S. Now that I have won this big trophy, I feel like...a Super Gosu. (he is obviously being humorous)
EPT
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