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On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:
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Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning? Show nested quote +
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
According to Jessica he specifically asked and agreed to make it refer to his neck problems.
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On October 23 2012 03:15 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:11 ACrow wrote:
Is there a translation of the MMA interview somewhere? Skimmed throught the last pages, didn't find it It's quite long, I imagine it will take a little while to translate. Poor translators have double-duty recently!
True that, they are doing an amazing job with all the interviews, it's much appreciated <3
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On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:23 latan wrote:
What I get from all this is that CranK is possibly "one of those people"; a pathological liar that manipulates and pits people against each other just because.
TB and Gemma better think twice to trust him 100%. After all, it was merely his sob story that convinced them to fund axiom. Axiom didn't even exist when Crank left. How could he have lied? Axiom picked him up and rekindled his desire to play. People change their minds - does that make them liars? No...it makes them human. He was lonely and wanted a team again - he realized what he was missing, but he obviously couldn't go back to a bad environment. Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying.
Well he's a grown man with no job. He can either stream for revenue or he can attempt to get a job. As a SC2 programmer, one does not find a job when you have no experience at that stage of your life. At least here in Canada it's quite hard to find a job with no experience. What are you going to put on your resume? "Played SC2 professionally. Did not complete university."
As for looking for a team, he was approached to join a team. Again, NBA as an example. Players go around looking for teams that they want to trade to. It doesn't actually happen and some actually change their mind and extend their contract with the current team.
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On October 23 2012 03:20 stew_ wrote:
working on mma interview translation, gimme an hour or so
w00t! Thank you! 
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On October 23 2012 03:22 geokilla wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:23 latan wrote:
What I get from all this is that CranK is possibly "one of those people"; a pathological liar that manipulates and pits people against each other just because.
TB and Gemma better think twice to trust him 100%. After all, it was merely his sob story that convinced them to fund axiom. Axiom didn't even exist when Crank left. How could he have lied? Axiom picked him up and rekindled his desire to play. People change their minds - does that make them liars? No...it makes them human. He was lonely and wanted a team again - he realized what he was missing, but he obviously couldn't go back to a bad environment. Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. Wel he's a grown man with no job. He can either stream for revenue or he can attempt to get a job. As a SC2 programmer, one does not find a job when you have no experience at that stage of your life. At least here in Canada it's quite hard to find a job with no experience. What are you going to put on your resume? "Played SC2 professionally. Did not complete university."
I don't disagree with that, but I neither see what that has to do with him lying or not.
As for looking for a team, he was approached to join a team. Again, NBA as an example. Players go around looking for teams that they want to trade to. It doesn't actually happen and some actually change their mind and extend their contract with the current team.
No, that happened a long time later. He left specifically stating he wanted to rest (to Cella he wanted to quit altogether), that he maximally wanted to play until the end of THIS year and that he wouldn't go looking for foreign teams. He started streaming on the 25th, announcing he was teamless and wanted to get a foreign team. He was officially released on the 26th.
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On October 23 2012 03:20 stew_ wrote:
working on mma interview translation, gimme an hour or so
Thank you so much; this will really give us some insight. Thank you for your hard work!!
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On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:
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NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping.
And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that.
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On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:
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Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying.
He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that.
No again, he changed his Twitter ID to show he was teamless before the 21st, which was the date of the RO4 of GSTL. He knew and Jessica even told him various times that he was, and would stay on the roster for the RO4.
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On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:
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Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying.
He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that.
According to Crank's interview, the neck injury was just used as an excuse so that his release doesn't drawn any suspicions. This seems really believable, considering, they lied to us regarding Puzzle's and Coca's health and the circumstances of their withdrawal from Code A /qualifiers as well. I wouldn't believe a word Jessica says tbh.
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On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:23 latan wrote:
What I get from all this is that CranK is possibly "one of those people"; a pathological liar that manipulates and pits people against each other just because.
TB and Gemma better think twice to trust him 100%. After all, it was merely his sob story that convinced them to fund axiom. Axiom didn't even exist when Crank left. How could he have lied? Axiom picked him up and rekindled his desire to play. People change their minds - does that make them liars? No...it makes them human. He was lonely and wanted a team again - he realized what he was missing, but he obviously couldn't go back to a bad environment. Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified.
You're looking for an unattainable/unrealistic level of proof. Only Crank himself can verify what his intentions were at time X/Y/Z. The rest of the world has to make do with inferring his intentions from his ACTIONS. And Crank's actions imply that he was not entirely honest when communicating to Jessica his reasons for leaving the team.
Using unverifiable intentions to determine if someone is 'lying' is essentially a free ticket for everybody to lie. By your standards, anyone who says 'A', and does 'B' can simply claim "I really did intend A!" (which nobody else can dispute) and get away scot-free.
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On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:
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Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying.
He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that.
And whose job is it to make it extremely clear that one left or not?
Is it jessica's? you seem to side with crank by saying it was a miscommunication
but even if it is, it is entirely upto the player (insert crank) that he is LEAVING.
Welcome to the real world.
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On October 23 2012 03:24 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:22 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:23 latan wrote:
What I get from all this is that CranK is possibly "one of those people"; a pathological liar that manipulates and pits people against each other just because.
TB and Gemma better think twice to trust him 100%. After all, it was merely his sob story that convinced them to fund axiom. Axiom didn't even exist when Crank left. How could he have lied? Axiom picked him up and rekindled his desire to play. People change their minds - does that make them liars? No...it makes them human. He was lonely and wanted a team again - he realized what he was missing, but he obviously couldn't go back to a bad environment. Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. Wel he's a grown man with no job. He can either stream for revenue or he can attempt to get a job. As a SC2 programmer, one does not find a job when you have no experience at that stage of your life. At least here in Canada it's quite hard to find a job with no experience. What are you going to put on your resume? "Played SC2 professionally. Did not complete university." I don't disagree with that, but I neither see what that has to do with him lying or not. Show nested quote +As for looking for a team, he was approached to join a team. Again, NBA as an example. Players go around looking for teams that they want to trade to. It doesn't actually happen and some actually change their mind and extend their contract with the current team. No, that happened a long time later. He left specifically stating he wanted to rest (to Cella he wanted to quit altogether), that he maximally wanted to play until the end of THIS year and that he wouldn't go looking for foreign teams. He started streaming on the 25th, announcing he was teamless and wanted to get a foreign team. He was officially released on the 26th.
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Crank claims that Jessica wanted to use that as an excuse to let him go. Jessica's interview on the other hand, says Crank used that as an excuse. Classical case of he said she said here... That's why I want the call recording to be released. Not the transcript.
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The interesting thing about this is that I've worked with people who were as single-minded as Jessica seems before, and they really do fabricate their own realities. (Recall Jobs' "reality distortion field".) There would be times where I'd hear their side of something that happened where I was actually present, and I'd be like O_o???
But that's the kind of personality that makes it to the top, many times. I would bet on my life that there are a lot of inaccuracies or downright lies in Jessica's account, but that she firmly 100% believes what she's saying to be the truth, nevermind all this vomiting of digital assets that somehow "prove" things lol
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Gais honestly why are they disbanding. Players left and there were some disagreements and internal fights? Surely there must be more to it than this.
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On October 23 2012 03:32 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:
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He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that. And whose job is it to make it extremely clear that one left or not? Is it jessica's? you seem to side with crank by saying it was a miscommunication but even if it is, it is entirely upto the player (insert crank) that he is LEAVING. Welcome to the real world.
Lol, ok. Let's say MMA tried to leave the team and Jessica dragged him ass-backwards through the coals. Now Crank wants to leave the team for another. Do you really think he might not be the slightest bit hesitant/cautious about how he's going to get out?
"Welcome to the real world" is a snide remark in this circumstance IMO, given that Crank's real world was probably the shitstorm that was exploding brownly around him.
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On October 23 2012 03:36 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:32 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:
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Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that. And whose job is it to make it extremely clear that one left or not? Is it jessica's? you seem to side with crank by saying it was a miscommunication but even if it is, it is entirely upto the player (insert crank) that he is LEAVING. Welcome to the real world. Lol, ok. Let's say MMA tried to leave the team and Jessica dragged him ass-backwards through the coals. Now Crank wants to leave the team for another. Do you really think he might not be the slightest bit hesitant/cautious about how he's going to get out? "Welcome to the real world" is a snide remark in this circumstance IMO, given that Crank's real world was probably the shitstorm that was exploding brownly around him.
the brown explosion image is very good
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On October 23 2012 03:24 Shival wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:22 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:42 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:38 geokilla wrote:On October 23 2012 02:35 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:30 tMomiji wrote:On October 23 2012 02:23 latan wrote:
What I get from all this is that CranK is possibly "one of those people"; a pathological liar that manipulates and pits people against each other just because.
TB and Gemma better think twice to trust him 100%. After all, it was merely his sob story that convinced them to fund axiom. Axiom didn't even exist when Crank left. How could he have lied? Axiom picked him up and rekindled his desire to play. People change their minds - does that make them liars? No...it makes them human. He was lonely and wanted a team again - he realized what he was missing, but he obviously couldn't go back to a bad environment. Maybe you should read what I wrote. There's evidence that he did. While Axiom did come into the picture later, he definately was out for a foreign team at the time of his release. NBA players such as Dwight Howard said they want to play for X team while he was still a Orlando Magic player, and continued to do so until he was finally traded. While it's not good for team chemistry, does that make him a liar because he denied trade rumours and his intentions? Crank specifically stated to his team (Jessica, Boxer and Cella) that he would not be on the lookout for a team and would take a rest. I don't know how your world works, but that's lying. Wel he's a grown man with no job. He can either stream for revenue or he can attempt to get a job. As a SC2 programmer, one does not find a job when you have no experience at that stage of your life. At least here in Canada it's quite hard to find a job with no experience. What are you going to put on your resume? "Played SC2 professionally. Did not complete university." I don't disagree with that, but I neither see what that has to do with him lying or not. Show nested quote +As for looking for a team, he was approached to join a team. Again, NBA as an example. Players go around looking for teams that they want to trade to. It doesn't actually happen and some actually change their mind and extend their contract with the current team. No, that happened a long time later. He left specifically stating he wanted to rest (to Cella he wanted to quit altogether), that he maximally wanted to play until the end of THIS year and that he wouldn't go looking for foreign teams. He started streaming on the 25th, announcing he was teamless and wanted to get a foreign team. He was officially released on the 26th.
I don't know what you mean. I've seen it stated by posters that he said he would quit gaming, but I don't see anywhere Crank said that. He only spoke of quitting the team. After he was released he went home and played Starcraft.
Otherwise, his statement explicitly says why he left the team vs. the previously released reason, which ended up being used against him even though it was Jessica's decision. It's like they (Crank and Jessica) decided between saying Crank left for neck injury, or saying it was a combination of neck injury and a ton of drama, and they went with the non-drama version back then. Now Jessica claims it was Crank's lie.
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On October 23 2012 03:33 mikedebo wrote:
The interesting thing about this is that I've worked with people who were as single-minded as Jessica seems before, and they really do fabricate their own realities. (Recall Jobs' "reality distortion field".) There would be times where I'd hear their side of something that happened where I was actually present, and I'd be like O_o???
But that's the kind of personality that makes it to the top, many times. I would bet on my life that there are a lot of inaccuracies or downright lies in Jessica's account, but that she firmly 100% believes what she's saying to be the truth, nevermind all this vomiting of digital assets that somehow "prove" things lol
So emails, people backtracking the instant they try to call her out and are quickly shown that she was in the right, and maybe even a 58 minute phone call, aren't proof enough that she was telling at least some truth? I know you were exaggerating when you said you'd bet your life, but it is a pretty stupid thing to say when thus far not one thing she has said has proven to be a lie.
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On October 23 2012 03:36 mikedebo wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:32 mongmong wrote:On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:
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Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that. And whose job is it to make it extremely clear that one left or not? Is it jessica's? you seem to side with crank by saying it was a miscommunication but even if it is, it is entirely upto the player (insert crank) that he is LEAVING. Welcome to the real world. Lol, ok. Let's say MMA tried to leave the team and Jessica dragged him ass-backwards through the coals. Now Crank wants to leave the team for another. Do you really think he might not be the slightest bit hesitant/cautious about how he's going to get out? "Welcome to the real world" is a snide remark in this circumstance IMO, given that Crank's real world was probably the shitstorm that was exploding brownly around him.
Youre comparing the situation of a successful, face of the slayers, two time champion with the case of Crank, who was
random code b korean player. Hell yeah, jessica might have done everything in her power to stop mma from
leaving, but why would she stop Crank from leaving?
How come more accomplished players like Ganzi and Taeja were able to leave without any problem?
They made it very clear that they were leaving and jessica approved.
The best way to leave the team was notifying jessica of his intention before leaving, then none of this
shit wouldve occured.
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On October 23 2012 03:32 mongmong wrote:Show nested quote +On October 23 2012 03:27 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:20 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:15 Ansinjunger wrote:On October 23 2012 03:12 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 03:10 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 03:02 lambac0re wrote:On October 23 2012 02:59 Veldril wrote:On October 23 2012 02:55 Shival wrote:On October 23 2012 02:48 tMomiji wrote:
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He wasn't, but he changed his mind very quickly, as is stated in the interview. He felt alone, so he started to look for one. I can see how that looks like lying and it doesn't make you look very good, and yes he should have TOLD them after the change of mind took place. But people calling him a pathological liar? Seriously?? -_- Changing your mind in mere hours? Yeah... don't think so. But either way, as you said, it looks bad on him either way, if he lied or not. Although I can assure you that he did lie, but if you want to believe something else and stick your head in the ground, go ahead. I would doubt that. Unless you have other concrete evidences then it is still possible that he change his mind or it is a mis-communication. Do you understand the definition of lying? You can't just do something completely different from what you claimed you'll do and then call it "changing your mind". If that were the case everybody could just claim they changed their mind when caught lying. There's different though. Lying means you intentionally say something while have other intention since the beginning. Changing the mind afterward could not really be said as "lying", although it looks equally bad. So unless you can prove his intention at the point where he told Jessica that he wanted to look for foreign team, you cannot said it is definitely lying. You can only said that he might lie to her. However, if you said that he is wrong because he changed his mind without inform Jessica first, then it's totally justified. If this is the case, it's his duty to inform his team of his new intentions. Instead he proceeded to look for a new team while letting his old team believe his old intentions. Same as lying sorry. It was no longer his team, lol. She told him "do what you want." And besides, did you notice how Jessica used the neck injury excuse, and then used that against Crank later, as if it was his lie from the beginning?
TIG> It's publicly known that you left the team due to your injury.
Crank: When I was leaving the team, Jessica told me that she will release an article for me but I thought "me leaving the team isn't worthy of a press conference." But I was told that there is a new player joining us. She told me she will say I left the team due to my neck injury, and she will work her best to stop any weird rumors from spreading around. And now she is saying that I used my neck injury as an excuse to look for a foreign team. I never thought she would do that.
Uhm no. Jessica specifically released him for neck injuries. He instead used this golden opportunity to do a little team shopping. And that is a possibility of mis-communication comes into a picture. Crank believed he was out of the team with what Jessica said, while Jessica did not mean it like that. And whose job is it to make it extremely clear that one left or not? Is it jessica's? you seem to side with crank by saying it was a miscommunication but even if it is, it is entirely upto the player (insert crank) that he is LEAVING. Welcome to the real world.
Lol, no I don't side with Crank. I just present another possibility why things might go wrong. I still think he was wrong to stream and look for foreign team that fast without clearing with Slayers side first. But things might be more complicated that it looks like. We need to look at every possibilities first and try to eliminate them one by one until we only have one explanation to claim what exactly happened. Or else it would just be a speculation without a definite answer.
There's no way, right now, to say what really happened in Crank case. We know that he stream/look for foreign team after he left Slayers house, which was wrong. But why did he do that? Did mis-communication happen about his leaving and he thought he has permission to leave the team? Did the word from Jessica imply that he was kicked out of the team? Did he intentionally lied? There's no way you can prove and get rid of all of them until you have one explanation left because we don't have enough evidence.
And no, it's not entirely up to the player to leave, if he is under a contract. He needs permission from Jessica first, which is why there is a problem with him right now (which again, can come from mis-communication or other reasons). And if he was not under a contract and was up to him to leave the team, then Jessica has no right to complain about him leaving at all. He has no obligation to stay in the team in the first place. Yeah, it would make him look bad in Asian culture but Jessica whining about that is not mature either.
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