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Cayman Islands24199 Posts
On October 10 2012 08:23 GolemMadness wrote: Iloveoov on Sun:
@eunsu111: There is rumor that (P)By.Sun is ranked number one in practice. Is this true?
A : By.Sun will grow into a force to be reckoned. He has a gift that leaves him no choice but to be good at this game. He can watch his teammates' games and copy their strategy and management on the fly. I'm not talking just the overall, I'm talking timings down to the second, building placements down to the very pixel, and harassment like you were watching a replay. He is an intricate copy machine. On top of this he knows how to adapt and think outside the box, and win the game when he has the advantage. He thinks when he plays so he will grow into a great player.
i consider oov to be the most important strategic genius in bw history so yea i'm a huge fanboy for anything oov says. so smart <3
only one who can compare is savior
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On October 10 2012 11:34 oneofthem wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 08:23 GolemMadness wrote: Iloveoov on Sun:
@eunsu111: There is rumor that (P)By.Sun is ranked number one in practice. Is this true?
A : By.Sun will grow into a force to be reckoned. He has a gift that leaves him no choice but to be good at this game. He can watch his teammates' games and copy their strategy and management on the fly. I'm not talking just the overall, I'm talking timings down to the second, building placements down to the very pixel, and harassment like you were watching a replay. He is an intricate copy machine. On top of this he knows how to adapt and think outside the box, and win the game when he has the advantage. He thinks when he plays so he will grow into a great player. i consider oov to be the most important strategic genius in bw history so yea i'm a huge fanboy for anything oov says. so smart <3 only one who can compare is savior
Flash.
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On October 10 2012 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 11:34 oneofthem wrote:On October 10 2012 08:23 GolemMadness wrote: Iloveoov on Sun:
@eunsu111: There is rumor that (P)By.Sun is ranked number one in practice. Is this true?
A : By.Sun will grow into a force to be reckoned. He has a gift that leaves him no choice but to be good at this game. He can watch his teammates' games and copy their strategy and management on the fly. I'm not talking just the overall, I'm talking timings down to the second, building placements down to the very pixel, and harassment like you were watching a replay. He is an intricate copy machine. On top of this he knows how to adapt and think outside the box, and win the game when he has the advantage. He thinks when he plays so he will grow into a great player. i consider oov to be the most important strategic genius in bw history so yea i'm a huge fanboy for anything oov says. so smart <3 only one who can compare is savior Flash.
Flash did not innovate like Oov did. And I'm a huge Flash fan
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On October 10 2012 05:14 BisuDagger wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 05:11 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:On October 10 2012 04:52 BisuDagger wrote:On October 10 2012 04:48 Jmanthedragonguy wrote:
I think Rain > MVP but then Taeja > Rain. Anything is possible though Why Taeja > Rain when Rain just crushed Taeja 2 weeks ago? I'm expecting Taeja to study up a bit on Rain, and have a little more preparation for the hardcore lategame Templar drop harass. He'll probably get more missile turrets and whatnot. Also since it is a best of 7 so I expect him to throw in some shinanigan's, which hopefully Rain will be better prepared for than in this series. All in all though I HOPE, regardless, that it ends up being a totally awesome mind blowing series!! :D The problem is it is really hard to prepare against Rain. Rain's strength is waiting to engage at the right moments. And drop harass is just a free advantage for him. He doesn't need drops to win. As long as he can move in position fine then he will win. And from the last matches it looked like he could force those against Taeja. Sun just has better map awareness.
Of course.
Kespa player always had great map awareness.
Most likely due to great mini-map awareness that was much needed in BW.
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iNfeRnaL
Germany1908 Posts
map awareness and minimap awareness are two different things and both are still included in sc2...
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On October 10 2012 04:30 blade55555 wrote:
That's a pretty sick comeback being down 0-3. I imagine Rain is going to win at least either GSL or OSL I imagine.
if he can take out Mvp I expect him to win both tbh
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On October 10 2012 07:03 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 03:33 hunts wrote:
Wow he reversed an 0-3 into a 4-3. As much as I hate the annoying elephant talk and BW elitism, I'm starting to be very impressed by the KESPA players and how quickly they're improving. It must take a very strong will and good mindset to win from an 0-3, that's really impressive.
edit: Also thanks for all the hard work seeker. I don't think "BW elitism" should apply here. afaik, rain didn't actually have any major accomplishments in BW, whereas players like Jaedong dropped to code B (flash is certainly doing well though). I think Rain would have excelled at SC2 no matter where he started. TLPD shows a pretty average record (literally - 50% across all matchups total) Rain sounds much more like an "MVP" type of character - floating around the A team, with streaks at times (I think right?) but overall average, and being much more adapted to SC2. Granted my facts could be wrong - please correct me if they are but I think I'm relatively accurate. All that said, the kespa players are certainly doing well, but I don't think they're doing well enough to prove that hte whole elephant in the room thing was true. You might be able to argue "they haven't had enough time" but how much is enough? And its also, imo, easier to adapt to a metagame (kespa) than invent it. THAT said, what they've done is definitely a testament to their practice regime.
you can't compare MVP with rain. rain was never floating around the A-team. the better comparison for MVP would be ssak.
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Thanks for sharing, Seeker 
Not a huge fan of Rain, but damn he's good. He is a true progamer and competitor.
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On October 10 2012 04:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I'm glad that last year around the start of the year (and even 2010) me and the other 20 or so users who understood how good KESPA players were when compared to the B teamers and... foreigners? said that KESPA players would start to dominate very quickly in SC2 because of how bad everyone really is happens to be happening. I'm glad foreigners are being phased out again, they don't spend nearly enough time playing.
The elephant has been real this whole time, and it was obvious to anyone who watched BW compared to SC2 players. Most foreigner SC2 players are simply garbage and the rest mediocre with the exception of Stephano and a few others.
User was warned for this post
I would have to agree...
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He's so good he doesn't have to read opponents, he can control their minds.
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On October 10 2012 14:20 sinigang wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 04:48 NeMeSiS3 wrote:
I'm glad that last year around the start of the year (and even 2010) me and the other 20 or so users who understood how good KESPA players were when compared to the B teamers and... foreigners? said that KESPA players would start to dominate very quickly in SC2 because of how bad everyone really is happens to be happening. I'm glad foreigners are being phased out again, they don't spend nearly enough time playing.
The elephant has been real this whole time, and it was obvious to anyone who watched BW compared to SC2 players. Most foreigner SC2 players are simply garbage and the rest mediocre with the exception of Stephano and a few others.
User was warned for this post I would have to agree...
I hope I don't get warned for this but, I bet you're Filipino (sinigang is what I had for lunch the other day here in the Philippines).
Anyway, elephant talk aside, I think the Kespa pros can catch up and surpass the ESF pros if they maintain their extremely strict training regimens. Still, in retrospect, I think it was a little unfair to discount the talents of the ESF pros.
From here on out, I don't think talent's an issue, it's what ESF and Kespa do to augment their players' natural talent.
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On October 10 2012 14:02 AlmondCS wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 07:03 Alryk wrote:On October 10 2012 03:33 hunts wrote:
Wow he reversed an 0-3 into a 4-3. As much as I hate the annoying elephant talk and BW elitism, I'm starting to be very impressed by the KESPA players and how quickly they're improving. It must take a very strong will and good mindset to win from an 0-3, that's really impressive.
edit: Also thanks for all the hard work seeker. I don't think "BW elitism" should apply here. afaik, rain didn't actually have any major accomplishments in BW, whereas players like Jaedong dropped to code B (flash is certainly doing well though). I think Rain would have excelled at SC2 no matter where he started. TLPD shows a pretty average record (literally - 50% across all matchups total) Rain sounds much more like an "MVP" type of character - floating around the A team, with streaks at times (I think right?) but overall average, and being much more adapted to SC2. Granted my facts could be wrong - please correct me if they are but I think I'm relatively accurate. All that said, the kespa players are certainly doing well, but I don't think they're doing well enough to prove that hte whole elephant in the room thing was true. You might be able to argue "they haven't had enough time" but how much is enough? And its also, imo, easier to adapt to a metagame (kespa) than invent it. THAT said, what they've done is definitely a testament to their practice regime. you can't compare MVP with rain. rain was never floating around the A-team. the better comparison for MVP would be ssak.
That's right. Rain was a member of the A Team.
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On October 10 2012 12:57 rysecake wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 12:53 GolemMadness wrote:On October 10 2012 11:34 oneofthem wrote:On October 10 2012 08:23 GolemMadness wrote: Iloveoov on Sun:
@eunsu111: There is rumor that (P)By.Sun is ranked number one in practice. Is this true?
A : By.Sun will grow into a force to be reckoned. He has a gift that leaves him no choice but to be good at this game. He can watch his teammates' games and copy their strategy and management on the fly. I'm not talking just the overall, I'm talking timings down to the second, building placements down to the very pixel, and harassment like you were watching a replay. He is an intricate copy machine. On top of this he knows how to adapt and think outside the box, and win the game when he has the advantage. He thinks when he plays so he will grow into a great player. i consider oov to be the most important strategic genius in bw history so yea i'm a huge fanboy for anything oov says. so smart <3 only one who can compare is savior Flash. Flash did not innovate like Oov did. And I'm a huge Flash fan
True dat.
Terran innovation = Boxer, Oov
Terran refinement = Nada, Flash
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United States10328 Posts
On October 10 2012 07:33 aintz wrote:
im sure boxer will make some pro strats for mvp.
Hopefully I'm just being Romanian, but if not... you know that Boxer is the coach for Sun's team...?
On October 10 2012 08:23 GolemMadness wrote:
@eunsu111: There is rumor that (P)By.Sun is ranked number one in practice. Is this true?
A : By.Sun will grow into a force to be reckoned. He has a gift that leaves him no choice but to be good at this game. He can watch his teammates' games and copy their strategy and management on the fly. I'm not talking just the overall, I'm talking timings down to the second, building placements down to the very pixel, and harassment like you were watching a replay. He is an intricate copy machine. On top of this he knows how to adapt and think outside the box, and win the game when he has the advantage. He thinks when he plays so he will grow into a great player.
Wow, I don't remember this interview... probably dismissed it at the time as "coach talking big about his player." Guess Oov was serious 
Also, eh, Flash did do some major TvP innovation with his fast Armory builds, and he was one of the leaders in making Rax CC defensible vs P. But I agree that his best point wasn't his crazy strategy-defining builds, but his overall game sense, macro, and micro.
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Rain also tearing it up in MvP invitational
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?37120 Posts
On October 10 2012 14:54 ]343[ wrote:Show nested quote +On October 10 2012 07:33 aintz wrote:
im sure boxer will make some pro strats for mvp. Hopefully I'm just being Romanian, but if not... you know that Boxer is the coach for Sun's team...?
He meant that BoxeR will create strategies FOR Rain in order to face Mvp
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Who woulda thought Sun would come from BW semi-mediocrity to just.....monstrous SC2 player? Dang. I guess some people are just more attuned to certain games/ideas etc based on who they are as a person and their approach to things...
Sun is just beasting >.<
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On October 10 2012 15:18 Aerisky wrote:
Who woulda thought Sun would come from BW semi-mediocrity to just.....monstrous SC2 player? Dang. I guess some people are just more attuned to certain games/ideas etc based on who they are as a person and their approach to things...
Sun is just beasting >.<
I wouldn't say he was semi-mediocre as he was a pretty solid A-teamer (who was still continuing to get better). He never showcased any results in the individual leagues in BW though so it is kinda surprising to see him at the top of the world right now.
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So OSL Ro4 is Bo7 now? Also is it Bo7 for the finals too?
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