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Stop derailing with living cost talk

On September 13 2012 07:51 MinistryOfWin wrote:
Press Release:

http://www.ministryofwin.com/news/press-release-september-13th-2012

Stay tuned for the article on ESFIWORLD.com.

- Wednesday, Sep 12 10:51pm GMT (GMT+00:00)

On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims

- Wednesday, Sep 12 11:02pm GMT (GMT+00:00)
Chill
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
Calgary25997 Posts
September 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#1081
This doesn't seem that bad. You're living in a balling house so obviously they need to recover the expenses somehow. And non-competitive clauses never hold up under legal scrutiny. Drama from nothing.
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Vermiiifuuge
Profile Joined August 2012
Korea (South)112 Posts
September 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#1082
This sounds fishy! Where is Conspiracy-Bisu when you need him?
SwizzY
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1549 Posts
September 12 2012 23:06 GMT
#1083
Looool. Press release was pure shit and seems like way for MoW to gain ezpz traffic and popularity to their website.

I wanted to retain all bias from the situation until they released their statement, but god, that was some yahoonews bullshit.

And TL IS the SC2 news hub. It SHOULD be released here first if they have an inkling of what good PR means
All that glitters is not gold, all that wander are not lost, the old that is strong does not wither, deep roots are not reached by frost.
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1084


Pretty sure the Boss of MoW is actually the human incarnation of the Simpsons Monorail guy.
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ilbh
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Brazil1606 Posts
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1085
"Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it."
wut?
is that true? lol
Part of the inhumanity of the computer is that, once it is competently programmed and working smoothly, it is completely honest.
Kieofire
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1809 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:07:43
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1086
Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it.


That is the probably the only information given in that whole statement that has to do with this and there isn't even a chat log to back up what he is saying.
nesneros
Profile Blog Joined September 2012
United States11 Posts
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1087
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims
EtherealDeath
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States8366 Posts
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1088
Actual press release: http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims
So new claim now is that refund was offered but not accepted.
mememolly
Profile Joined December 2011
4765 Posts
September 12 2012 23:07 GMT
#1089
On September 13 2012 08:07 ilbh wrote:
"Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it."
wut?
is that true? lol


doubt it, SS or not believing anything
Swords
Profile Blog Joined May 2012
6038 Posts
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1090
On September 13 2012 08:02 MinistryOfWin wrote:
http://esfiworld.com/news/ministry-win-respond-fuzers-claims


This is somewhat better, but I'd like to see the skype log where "boss" offers Fuzer his money back. It seems like that'd be fair evidence to post, although maybe not? I'm not an expert on the legality side of showing evidence like that or what else it might reveal.
torm3ntin
Profile Joined October 2009
Brazil2534 Posts
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1091
On September 13 2012 08:07 ilbh wrote:
"Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it."
wut?
is that true? lol

as we like to say...

PICS OR IT DIDN`T HAPPEN.
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Brasi
Profile Joined May 2011
United States12 Posts
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1092
I don't know who is more stupid, this Boss guy, or whoever signs his contract. Maybe it's actually Blackfoger!

MoW? more like MoF
Niazger
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany41 Posts
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1093
Seems like they know about their wrongdoings but decided it was better to sweep it under the rug instead of saying that they made mistake and so on...
Pure-SC2
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom1440 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:08:57
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1094
About the money statement in the ESFI article, it might be true. It does say this in the original post (page 1):


(Skype log, censored the name of the guy who runs MoW = Boss)
[11.9.2012 12:41:24] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you have to pay me back from th emoney
[11.9.2012 12:41:33] Boss: nope, I don't have
[11.9.2012 12:41:40] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: ok
[11.9.2012 12:41:50] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so i paid you from this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:53] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: and im not here for this month
[11.9.2012 12:41:56] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: so you give back my money
[11.9.2012 12:41:58] Boss: You are breaking the rules
[11.9.2012 12:42:02] Boss: you know how it works?
[11.9.2012 12:42:06] Boss: If not - read the contract again
[11.9.2012 12:42:08] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: well
[11.9.2012 12:42:11] Samuli "Fuzer" Romppanen: as you said i didnt sign it
[11.9.2012 12:42:17] Boss: So I don't have your money
[11.9.2012 12:42:32] Boss: Do you have any confirmation?
[11.9.2012 12:42:41] Boss: No. So now you see my situation when you don't sign the contract.

When I wrote to my facebook page that they stole my money, right away the boss asked about my bank account, but anyways I decided to tell the story. I know I may lose the money but atleast I can do something for esports and reveal some things aren't as nice as you may think.
"Every time I visit community sites, I'm just embarrassed. There's so much witch hunting and name calling and arguing and gossip. Misogynist comments against women. It's just embarrassing." – Tasteless
Fuzer
Profile Blog Joined April 2009
Finland266 Posts
September 12 2012 23:08 GMT
#1095
Yeah I even stated that he offered me refund AFTER I started writing this. (its on my facebook if you dont believe)
Godwrath
Profile Joined August 2012
Spain10140 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-12 23:10:24
September 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#1096
On September 13 2012 08:07 ilbh wrote:
"Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it."
wut?
is that true? lol


They didn't posted it, so i say bananas.

Edit - Ahhh... when he already made it public ... sure... yeah.
saksy2
Profile Joined May 2011
Norway520 Posts
September 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#1097
On September 13 2012 08:05 Xorphene wrote:
The ESFI article refutes nothing either - an interview with Desrow that could have taken place anytime prior to Fuzer's post proves nothing.

Shoddy organisation is shoddy.

What are you on about? Desrow specifically comments on Fuzer's description of the contract.

According to current MoW house resident desRow, Fuzer's description of certain details of the contract, including a 10-year non-compete clause and streaming quotas, are accurate. “The prohibition of competition page is a bit sketchy, but I think it just needs to be reworded,” he said
setzer
Profile Joined March 2010
United States3284 Posts
September 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#1098
Important part to me of the ESFI article:

Fuzer paid to MoW 5,000 Polish Zloty (about 1,200 euros - the fee for a two-month stay at the MoW house). Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it.

When asked if there is a general rule in place about players moving into the house before their signing of the contract, Krupowies responded, "Most of the players receive the contract before they arrive. For some players, we are offering different conditions in the contract. We hadn’t signed the contract with Fuzer before he arrived, and this is undoubtedly a mistake that can't be repeated again.”


I'd like to see this Skype log. It is baffling that it wouldn't be included in the article by ESFI if it was sent to ESFI. Why hide this information? If it is true then it shows that Fuzer wanted to live in the house without agreeing to the contract and rules established by MoW management. Fuzer shouldn't be reimbursed for the month he did stay there but for the month he didn't. If he wanted the full amount returned, then I can only blame him for this situation.
Everize
Profile Joined September 2010
Poland176 Posts
September 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#1099
That's pretty ridiculous In my opinion, hopefully they'll pay your money back, it's such a bs when they basically refrain you from understanding and reading the contract unlike most people at the house that most likely signed the contract without even reading it. Good Job that you've read the contract and decided to actually have someone that speaks and understand english to full extent before signing something, you could sign away your life, who knows whats in it. Smart choice, totally understandable... Hope it works out, cheers.
You're going supernova, all of our thoughts become just one. I fly million miles only to crash into the sun.
BadBinky
Profile Blog Joined May 2004
Finland649 Posts
September 12 2012 23:09 GMT
#1100
On September 13 2012 08:07 ilbh wrote:
"Krupowies showed ESFI a Skype log that had him offering Fuzer the refund of the second month’s fee, but that Fuzer declined to accept it."
wut?
is that true? lol

This is where the "trusted" new site comes in.
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