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On September 01 2012 12:03 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 11:13 Sokrates wrote:On September 01 2012 09:56 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 08:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
honestly, anybody would if they had been spied on lol everybody is destiny in private, right? he's the anti-PC everyman we all secretly want to be, the hero we need right now rather than the hero we deser-*fap fap fap* so fucking laughable No but we all talk shit in private, and we all judge girls (not only) by their looks and so do girls. Its private, you talk private with your friends. I wouldnt want friends that are not brutally honest to me and keep making weak statements. If i pick up a fat ugly chick at a club because i was shitfaced then i dont want them to say "well she could drop a few pounds" the next day. Such things make private conversations interesting between friends. I simply cannot stand people like you, as if you would be a saint being politically correct all the time and never do any shittalking. You are simply expecting inhuman behaviour from all people that are in the spotlight. They are all humans like you and sometimes they dont do the nice political correct talk. Sometimes they do the real talk and you get offfended by that. Just freaks me out. Pro players never said they want to be idolized by others they never asked for it. You are idolizing them by expecting perfect behaviour. Yes of course, everyone is an asshole in private, we know that. Everyone is a closeted, foul mouthed, asshole, and it's okay to be an asshole because everyone is an asshole. Oh yeah, and everyone who doesn't shit talk other people in private, or say controversial things in public, is a pretentious person trying to gain favor with everyone, and that's boring. That, my friends, is the Esports world according to Destiny.
Right and i assume you are a saint that never said anything bad about another person. I bet you see a shiny golden ring above your head if you look in the mirror.
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On September 01 2012 12:03 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 11:13 Sokrates wrote:On September 01 2012 09:56 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 08:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
honestly, anybody would if they had been spied on lol everybody is destiny in private, right? he's the anti-PC everyman we all secretly want to be, the hero we need right now rather than the hero we deser-*fap fap fap* so fucking laughable No but we all talk shit in private, and we all judge girls (not only) by their looks and so do girls. Its private, you talk private with your friends. I wouldnt want friends that are not brutally honest to me and keep making weak statements. If i pick up a fat ugly chick at a club because i was shitfaced then i dont want them to say "well she could drop a few pounds" the next day. Such things make private conversations interesting between friends. I simply cannot stand people like you, as if you would be a saint being politically correct all the time and never do any shittalking. You are simply expecting inhuman behaviour from all people that are in the spotlight. They are all humans like you and sometimes they dont do the nice political correct talk. Sometimes they do the real talk and you get offfended by that. Just freaks me out. Pro players never said they want to be idolized by others they never asked for it. You are idolizing them by expecting perfect behaviour. Yes of course, everyone is an asshole in private, we know that. Everyone is a closeted, foul mouthed, asshole, and it's okay to be an asshole because everyone is an asshole. Oh yeah, and everyone who doesn't shit talk other people in private, or say controversial things in public, is a pretentious person trying to gain favor with everyone, and that's boring. That, my friends, is the Esports world according to Destiny.
bro you talk trash about people to me on skype too
That's not the 'esports world', that's the world in general - it's just a question of scale. Not everyone is sharing naked pictures, but everyone says things in private that they wouldn't want heard in public.
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On September 01 2012 12:05 TheExile19 wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 11:59 Labunko wrote:On September 01 2012 11:48 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 11:40 sunprince wrote:
Not to mention that the white knights gloss over and/or defend Bluetea's worse actions. You also don't see them trying to have Bluetea punished. Ironic how the white knights don't realize there's few things more sexist and degrading towards women than putting pussy on a pedestal... probably because eye-for-an-eye is fucking retarded (so...what stops bluetea from finding some way to retaliate after destiny phones her work/school, under your caveman philosophy?) and that both of them have acted against each other already, but no it's clearly that everyone is a sexist and not because enough has been done. You dont even get what hes saying, fucking sad dude. this is your second post to me saying nothing of import whatsoever. please to be of more use to community and discussion, thx.
Haven't paid any attention to your discussion with Labunko, but he's completely right. You completely missed the point, try again with better reading comprehension please.
Not to mention the fact that if "eye-for-an-eye" is "fucking retarded", then why are you so supportive of a certain feminist hate group's actions in persecuting Bluetea?
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My opinion after skimming over the 138 pages:
1) Destiny got pitchforked by the same ridiculous PC idiots that cost orb his career in eSports. Problem is this won't go away when you have people like Alex Garfield going nuts over any non-100%-PC statement from a player (who isn't on EG, his players get free passes for racism on stream).
2) Destiny, as well as any other pro, has a right to a private life and what he says in private, even if leaked in public, should not affect him negatively, unless it crosses into the realm of illegality.
3) Bluetea should face consequences for her childish response to the whole fiasco. I hope Destiny sues.
4) The girl is indeed pretty ugly, not gonna lie. Then again, gaming community standards aren't exactly Hollywood's.
5) Whoever snitched and leaked the conversation should be life-banned from TL and shunned by the community for years to come for causing this shitfest.
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Also, I'm willing to bet Bluetea goes 100% unpunished for this, just because she has a vagina in-between her legs. Don't forget eSports is the place where women get sponsorships for having 10% of the skills required for men to be sponsored.
Vagina = Money
But shush, don't tell that to feminists, you have to understand, you dumb males, it's obvious that sexism only exists when females are the victims.
User was temp banned for this post.
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On September 01 2012 06:09 Potiron wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 04:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth, if I would just throw out there that desrow is fat, and I mean quite fat, would I get the same treatment? That is what it is all about ... You needed to take a real guy to get your point? You are just mean ...
QFT
He can't make a post without saying something malicious about someone. He doesn't get how simple it is, people have a problem with him because he presents himself as a total dick. Plus, saying desrow is fat isn't nearly as personal as the comments you made and reaffirmed about Bluetea. I.E: you could have said that you thought bluetea had "a more pronounced jaw line than normal, and I mean quite pronounced", or whatever it is you don't like about her face, but what you said was "she looks like a hideous man, someone should put a bag on that." which ISN'T comparable to what you said about desrow (which was also an unnecessary dick move.)
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On September 01 2012 12:08 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:03 lisward wrote:On September 01 2012 11:13 Sokrates wrote:On September 01 2012 09:56 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 08:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
honestly, anybody would if they had been spied on lol everybody is destiny in private, right? he's the anti-PC everyman we all secretly want to be, the hero we need right now rather than the hero we deser-*fap fap fap* so fucking laughable No but we all talk shit in private, and we all judge girls (not only) by their looks and so do girls. Its private, you talk private with your friends. I wouldnt want friends that are not brutally honest to me and keep making weak statements. If i pick up a fat ugly chick at a club because i was shitfaced then i dont want them to say "well she could drop a few pounds" the next day. Such things make private conversations interesting between friends. I simply cannot stand people like you, as if you would be a saint being politically correct all the time and never do any shittalking. You are simply expecting inhuman behaviour from all people that are in the spotlight. They are all humans like you and sometimes they dont do the nice political correct talk. Sometimes they do the real talk and you get offfended by that. Just freaks me out. Pro players never said they want to be idolized by others they never asked for it. You are idolizing them by expecting perfect behaviour. Yes of course, everyone is an asshole in private, we know that. Everyone is a closeted, foul mouthed, asshole, and it's okay to be an asshole because everyone is an asshole. Oh yeah, and everyone who doesn't shit talk other people in private, or say controversial things in public, is a pretentious person trying to gain favor with everyone, and that's boring. That, my friends, is the Esports world according to Destiny. bro you talk trash about people to me on skype too That's not the 'esports world', that's the world in general - it's just a question of scale. Not everyone is sharing naked pictures, but everyone says things in private that they wouldn't want heard in public.
Everyone doing something does not make it right. I'm not talking about trash talking people in private, I'm talking about being an asshole, there's a big difference. I'm talking about doing stupid douche things, getting called out for it, and saying that everyone does it so it's okay.
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On September 01 2012 12:16 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 06:09 Potiron wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth, if I would just throw out there that desrow is fat, and I mean quite fat, would I get the same treatment? That is what it is all about ... You needed to take a real guy to get your point? You are just mean ... QFTHe can't make a post without saying something malicious about someone. He doesn't get how simple it is, people have a problem with him because he presents himself as a total dick. Plus, saying desrow is fat isn't nearly as personal as the comments you made and reaffirmed about Bluetea. I.E: you could have said that you thought bluetea had "a more pronounced jaw line than normal, and I mean quite pronounced", or whatever it is you don't like about her face, but what you said was "she looks like a hideous man, someone should put a bag on that." which ISN'T comparable to what you said about desrow (which was also an unnecessary dick move.)
desrow was fine with it, was just using it as an exemple
which kinda proved my point that people keep overreacting for no obvious reason
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On September 01 2012 12:15 pb.fcnz wrote:
Also, I'm willing to bet Bluetea goes 100% unpunished for this, just because she has a vagina in-between her legs. Don't forget eSports is the place where women get sponsorships for having 10% of the skills required for men to be sponsored.
Vagina = Money
But shush, don't tell that to feminists, you have to understand, you dumb males, it's obvious that sexism only exists when females are the victims.
Feminists even have a meme for it: misandry don't real
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On September 01 2012 12:17 lisward wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:08 Dfgj wrote:On September 01 2012 12:03 lisward wrote:On September 01 2012 11:13 Sokrates wrote:On September 01 2012 09:56 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 08:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
honestly, anybody would if they had been spied on lol everybody is destiny in private, right? he's the anti-PC everyman we all secretly want to be, the hero we need right now rather than the hero we deser-*fap fap fap* so fucking laughable No but we all talk shit in private, and we all judge girls (not only) by their looks and so do girls. Its private, you talk private with your friends. I wouldnt want friends that are not brutally honest to me and keep making weak statements. If i pick up a fat ugly chick at a club because i was shitfaced then i dont want them to say "well she could drop a few pounds" the next day. Such things make private conversations interesting between friends. I simply cannot stand people like you, as if you would be a saint being politically correct all the time and never do any shittalking. You are simply expecting inhuman behaviour from all people that are in the spotlight. They are all humans like you and sometimes they dont do the nice political correct talk. Sometimes they do the real talk and you get offfended by that. Just freaks me out. Pro players never said they want to be idolized by others they never asked for it. You are idolizing them by expecting perfect behaviour. Yes of course, everyone is an asshole in private, we know that. Everyone is a closeted, foul mouthed, asshole, and it's okay to be an asshole because everyone is an asshole. Oh yeah, and everyone who doesn't shit talk other people in private, or say controversial things in public, is a pretentious person trying to gain favor with everyone, and that's boring. That, my friends, is the Esports world according to Destiny. bro you talk trash about people to me on skype too That's not the 'esports world', that's the world in general - it's just a question of scale. Not everyone is sharing naked pictures, but everyone says things in private that they wouldn't want heard in public. Everyone doing something does not make it right. I'm not talking about trash talking people in private, I'm talking about being an asshole, there's a big difference. I'm talking about doing stupid douche things, getting called out for it, and saying that everyone does it so it's okay.
That's not the point. The point is that 'private behavior' is often inappropriate if you bring it into the public - this isn't exclusive to Destiny's actions. That suggests the problem is not so much what you do in private, but allowing it to leak out into the public. Nobody would give a fuck about this issue if it hadn't been leaked - just like nobody cares about anything any other progamer says in private because they appropriately don't know about it.
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this is pretty silly. you guys may care about the morals of it all and who should be punished and who is in the right etc etc, but what it really comes down to is money.
if something retarded happens on a team and costs sponsors(the people who actually make it possible) their money, then the team must do something about it. who is in the right means zero. zilch. it doesnt matter. they have to make money and if people watching arent thinking oh i like these guys, then the sponsors are getting shafted.
root had to kick destiny because all of a sudden he was shafting their sponsors. its just business. and its the way it should be. as far as whos actually getting the short end of the stick, its whoever invested into his career. meaning him root and roots sponsors. cant just be like oh they should let it go unpunished because its not fair. its about the money and whats fair has nothing to do with business
personally, i think some wise words destiny should have heard earlier in his life are dont piss where you walk. in other words, dont fuck around sexually with people you work with because its where you are everyday. go on a website where you can meet girls you will never see again if youre into cyber. it will always bite you in the ass
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On September 01 2012 12:16 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 06:09 Potiron wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth, if I would just throw out there that desrow is fat, and I mean quite fat, would I get the same treatment? That is what it is all about ... You needed to take a real guy to get your point? You are just mean ... QFTHe can't make a post without saying something malicious about someone. He doesn't get how simple it is, people have a problem with him because he presents himself as a total dick. Plus, saying desrow is fat isn't nearly as personal as the comments you made and reaffirmed about Bluetea. I.E: you could have said that you thought bluetea had "a more pronounced jaw line than normal, and I mean quite pronounced", or whatever it is you don't like about her face, but what you said was "she looks like a hideous man, someone should put a bag on that." which ISN'T comparable to what you said about desrow (which was also an unnecessary dick move.)
The problem is you're trying to apply your arbitrary standard to people talking about meaningless things. For all you know, there's someone with a preexisting grudge against you that will use the excuse that talking about someone's unflattering jaw line is an asshole move, and then group together and write angry letters to your manager about it. The actual solution is to just chill out. Furthermore, in this case, as has been said many times, the specific phrasing you're talking about is his explaining the quality of the pic, because sometimes people don't photograph well. And some people happen to be fat, what's the big deal? Everyone's body is different.
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On September 01 2012 12:01 jdseemoreglass wrote:
The internet is being overrun by wimpy, thin-skinned, immature, vindictive do-gooders who are so insignificant and unknown in their personal lives that they mask their insecurity and derive satisfaction by trying to tear down someone that so many other people watch and enjoy under the ridiculous guise of improving an internet community, or the stupidity that is the word "esports."
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Oh look an OSL finals sized thread talking about people's personal lives.
You all act so high and mighty, but I bet all of you have had moments that if put under a microscope, would result in the same thing. Put away the pitchforks and play some Starcraft, it's not like he killed a guy.
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On September 01 2012 12:25 Buff345 wrote:
if something retarded happens on a team and costs sponsors(the people who actually make it possible) their money, then the team must do something about it. who is in the right means zero. zilch. it doesnt matter. they have to make money and if people watching arent thinking oh i like these guys, then the sponsors are getting shafted.
Pretty sure everyone recognizes this, it's just bickering about 'how evil is destiny omg', 'who is worse', and 'shouldn't bluetea get punished at all'.
I don't blame Root in the slightest for wanting no attachment to this whole thing.
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On September 01 2012 12:27 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:25 Buff345 wrote:
if something retarded happens on a team and costs sponsors(the people who actually make it possible) their money, then the team must do something about it. who is in the right means zero. zilch. it doesnt matter. they have to make money and if people watching arent thinking oh i like these guys, then the sponsors are getting shafted. Pretty sure everyone recognizes this, it's just bickering about 'how evil is destiny omg', 'who is worse', and 'shouldn't bluetea get punished at all'.
Do you seriously see nothing wrong with a feminist hate group deliberately getting a guy fired, because he committed the heinous crime of hurting a woman's feelings?
Do you see nothing wrong with the hypocrisy, sexism, and double standards being thrown around by pussy-pedestaling white knights throughout this thread?
None of that is worth discussing?
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On September 01 2012 12:24 Dfgj wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:17 lisward wrote:On September 01 2012 12:08 Dfgj wrote:On September 01 2012 12:03 lisward wrote:On September 01 2012 11:13 Sokrates wrote:On September 01 2012 09:56 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 08:57 ROOTFayth wrote:
honestly, anybody would if they had been spied on lol everybody is destiny in private, right? he's the anti-PC everyman we all secretly want to be, the hero we need right now rather than the hero we deser-*fap fap fap* so fucking laughable No but we all talk shit in private, and we all judge girls (not only) by their looks and so do girls. Its private, you talk private with your friends. I wouldnt want friends that are not brutally honest to me and keep making weak statements. If i pick up a fat ugly chick at a club because i was shitfaced then i dont want them to say "well she could drop a few pounds" the next day. Such things make private conversations interesting between friends. I simply cannot stand people like you, as if you would be a saint being politically correct all the time and never do any shittalking. You are simply expecting inhuman behaviour from all people that are in the spotlight. They are all humans like you and sometimes they dont do the nice political correct talk. Sometimes they do the real talk and you get offfended by that. Just freaks me out. Pro players never said they want to be idolized by others they never asked for it. You are idolizing them by expecting perfect behaviour. Yes of course, everyone is an asshole in private, we know that. Everyone is a closeted, foul mouthed, asshole, and it's okay to be an asshole because everyone is an asshole. Oh yeah, and everyone who doesn't shit talk other people in private, or say controversial things in public, is a pretentious person trying to gain favor with everyone, and that's boring. That, my friends, is the Esports world according to Destiny. bro you talk trash about people to me on skype too That's not the 'esports world', that's the world in general - it's just a question of scale. Not everyone is sharing naked pictures, but everyone says things in private that they wouldn't want heard in public. Everyone doing something does not make it right. I'm not talking about trash talking people in private, I'm talking about being an asshole, there's a big difference. I'm talking about doing stupid douche things, getting called out for it, and saying that everyone does it so it's okay. That's not the point. The point is that 'private behavior' is often inappropriate if you bring it into the public - this isn't exclusive to Destiny's actions. That suggests the problem is not so much what you do in private, but allowing it to leak out into the public. Nobody would give a fuck about this issue if it hadn't been leaked - just like nobody cares about anything any other progamer says in private because they appropriately don't know about it.
I'm talking about this trend of behavior we observe from Destiny, that gets him into situations like this in the first place. I doubt he 'didn't talk to bluetea because he was so into MLG', he probably just told her lol fuck off I can share whatever I want with my friends.
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On September 01 2012 12:16 EnE wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 06:09 Potiron wrote:On September 01 2012 04:30 ROOTFayth wrote:
for what it's worth, if I would just throw out there that desrow is fat, and I mean quite fat, would I get the same treatment? That is what it is all about ... You needed to take a real guy to get your point? You are just mean ... QFTHe can't make a post without saying something malicious about someone. He doesn't get how simple it is, people have a problem with him because he presents himself as a total dick. Plus, saying desrow is fat isn't nearly as personal as the comments you made and reaffirmed about Bluetea. I.E: you could have said that you thought bluetea had "a more pronounced jaw line than normal, and I mean quite pronounced", or whatever it is you don't like about her face, but what you said was "she looks like a hideous man, someone should put a bag on that." which ISN'T comparable to what you said about desrow (which was also an unnecessary dick move.)
Just because you use diffrent phrases to express your opinion doesnt make you a better person. "a more pronounced jaw line than normal, and I mean quite pronounced", i really had to laugh about this though.
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On September 01 2012 12:08 sunprince wrote:Show nested quote +On September 01 2012 12:05 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 11:59 Labunko wrote:On September 01 2012 11:48 TheExile19 wrote:On September 01 2012 11:40 sunprince wrote:
Not to mention that the white knights gloss over and/or defend Bluetea's worse actions. You also don't see them trying to have Bluetea punished. Ironic how the white knights don't realize there's few things more sexist and degrading towards women than putting pussy on a pedestal... probably because eye-for-an-eye is fucking retarded (so...what stops bluetea from finding some way to retaliate after destiny phones her work/school, under your caveman philosophy?) and that both of them have acted against each other already, but no it's clearly that everyone is a sexist and not because enough has been done. You dont even get what hes saying, fucking sad dude. this is your second post to me saying nothing of import whatsoever. please to be of more use to community and discussion, thx. Haven't paid any attention to your discussion with Labunko, but he's completely right. You completely missed the point, try again with better reading comprehension please. Not to mention the fact that if "eye-for-an-eye" is "fucking retarded", then why are you so supportive of a certain feminist hate group's actions in persecuting Bluetea?
- the feminist hate group is persecuting bluetea? going to assume that's a typo rather than just you being utterly ignorant.
- are you asking me to tilt at the miserably vulgar straw man reading "pussy on a pedestal"? not interested, doesn't apply to me.
- the point of invoking eye-for-an-eye was in the initial interaction between destiny and bluetea that they had more agency over. once reddit got hold of it, the entire concept falls apart because you have different, self-interested and otherwise, actors fanning the flames. the reason some of us are sparing bluetea so much for her initial retaliatory action (even though, it must be said, it probably would have been better for all involved for bluetea to have chalked it up to destiny being an irredeemable bitch and moved on) is twofold:
1) personal feelings of violation: bluetea had some of the most personal information imaginable shown to neutral parties. to some people (not enough of them...) this affords her some room for purely emotional revenge - revenge that may well not have happened on anywhere near the same scale without destiny's own security failings. a perfect storm of fuckery, and in the most banal sort of way, a 1-1 score. why does destiny need to escalate it any further, sabotage his own career further, and further prove what plenty of people are walking away from this thinking: he's way too immature for this e-sports stuff.
2) destiny's role in every step: none of this had to happen, none of it was foretold. there are so many different places along the way where destiny could have done better, not the least of which is not sharing nude photos. no matter how many times internet tough bros have said "everyone does it"...it's simply not true, the world isn't big enough for that many enormous assholes.
edit: I know the first thing said is going to be "so bluetea posting his junk is fine?" and the answer is no, it's not. the problem is that it's so much easier to pin the othering, discriminatory behavior and dickishness on destiny because of his history. it's not some abstract war of the genders, it's simply another black mark on destiny and I assure you a lot of the motivation in this thread for one side is because we're fucking tired of hearing this guy's antics anywhere near e-sports.
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On September 01 2012 12:27 Little-Chimp wrote:
Oh look an OSL finals sized thread talking about people's personal lives.
You all act so high and mighty, but I bet all of you have had moments that if put under a microscope, would result in the same thing. Put away the pitchforks and play some Starcraft, it's not like he killed a guy.
It's just TL dicking around.
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