BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?
The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).
Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.
BoxeR headed over to SKTelecom to be a coach. How's the team's atmosphere?
The team's atmosphere is pretty much the same. When BoxeR hyung was there, we would feel a certain force to practice really hard but now that he's gone, I wonder if we'll be able to take it a litte easier now (laughs).
Bad news if that's the mentality. All of the non-kespa teams need to start practicing *more*, not take it easy. And all of this foreign travel is not going to help any of that. They're all going to fall behind if this is the attitude.
Just an fyi their "take it easy" is probably instead of 12 hours of practice 10-11 hours. They play a lot more then any non kespa team except possibly a select few gsl players.
When Fnatic leaves for MLG this next week, there's going to be only Luvsic and ByuL at the team house. I am hoping that they will take care of themselves. I also hope they hurry up and catch the ghost in our team house.
Wait.. what ? lol
I kid you not... word for word, that's what it said -.-;;
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
Yup. This.
Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that
As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.
elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On August 18 2012 04:31 HolyArrow wrote: Puzzle on the verge of retiring? T_T I hope he was joking...
A lot of koreans are pretty emotional, I'm confident he changed his mind a day later. But the point in saying that was to emphasize the pressure and tension of the situation at the moment.
Yup. This.
Interviews are not necessarily supposed to be taken 100% literally. There's a lot of context lost during translations. Miya was just emphasizing the burden and pressure Puzzle was feeling. Like "omfg, if KeSPA players can catch up this quickly then I have no business in being a pro gamer". Something like that
Hoping it was just a knee-jerk reaction to the loss, because Puzzle is a really talented, solid player not going for easy wins but building the mechanics for the long term instead. I think he is the type of pro gamer that will still perform after the influx of the Kespa players is complete. Oh, and thanks Seeker of course
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
The gap is already and has been for a long time pretty insurmountable. 2 years and not a single foreigner has ever made it through code A qualifiers. Sure, some foreigners will take series from Koreans. That's only to be expected with the nature of SC2 and with every foreign tournament flying 10+ Koreans out.
On August 18 2012 06:48 sinigang wrote: As a KeSPA fan i'm actually starting to feel bad for the GSL players... And we haven't even seen games from Fanta, Stork, Jangbi, and of course Flash. Not looking good for the GSL pros.
Surprisingly, no el*ph*nt talk yet That's good.
There are games of all those players on the net. Jangbi had a very interesting opening in PvZ and amazing blink micro, Flash looks very good, stork looks ok. And for some reason Bisu looks terrible.
At the moment Effort is still looking the best in my opinion.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
I don't really see what the influx of 30-50ish players will change for foreigners. They will just add to the already gigantic mass of Koreans who would do well in every foreign events if they had the opportunity to go. If the level of play was the defining thing people (and sponsors) looked for in the scene, foreigners would have probably gone extinct already.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting). Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc. Because even before Kespa players joining the fray, the foreigners can't really compete (maybe Stephano, but he has yet to show if his one-dimensional, but solid style transfers well into GSL setting). Btw, writing StarTwo makes you look like a BW elitist immediately (=look stupid) imo.
Yeah that's only your opinion.
Because StarTwo is an awesome word because all the Koreans say it like that.
Star1, StarTwo in referencing to the games.
And Koreans are pretty darn good at the game thus making the term gosu.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.
Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.
It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.
On August 18 2012 07:07 jinorazi wrote: elephant or not, kespa or gom, whatever but i predict a grimmer future for foreigners. the korean scene is on overdrive with the gom/kespa rivalry and each player's skills can only get better through this extra motivation and i think this can increase the overall gap between korea vs rest.
i wasn't concerned with introductions of elephants's impact on gom player's but elephant's introduction (increased pool of korean talent) will hurt the gap between korea and rest of the world.
On the other hand, the quality of games coming from Korea (be it GSL, OSL, GSTL, Proleague etc) will just become better and better and better. I think I can sacrifice foreigners for that <3
(I realize though, that for popularity of SC2 outside of Korea it won't be the best thing if the foreigners dissapear like in BW -.-)
Look if foreigners end up not being able to compete in StarTwo, nobody will watch tournaments anymore. And the majority of sponsors are international ones. You better hope that foreigners work their butt off to get AT LEAST one fucking OSL/GSL home.
Come on man, at least in BW we had Guillam Patry. In StarCraft 2, you don't even have ONE single foreigner winning a Korean tournament? that's just not right.
I think there needs to be at least one league that limts/bars Koreans from participating, to be able to honestly gauge the foreigner skill and to regularly have a foreigner champion that can build up hype etc.
Problem with that is a foreigner only tournament would only gauge the skill b/w foreigners only and we can already tell who the best foreigners are. It would just be a charity tournament to give foreigners more money, except someone like stephano would most likely win it and he's already well off compared to other foreign pros. Therefore, the same situation would occur with the lower end pros still not making money consistently enough to make a career out of it.
It would also stagnate skill if you have people just focusing on beating other foreigners. As an example, minigun stated that playing on NA ladder didn't prepare him for the competition at IEM. You can only get better by consistently playing against people better than you or around your skill. It's why everyone should play on the KR ladder at least some of the time, but lag doesn't make that a realistic option for everyone.
That's of course true, but such a tourney (maybe NASL? the name's fitting at least and it has also a nice regular schedule, which would help the goal) would maybe give some legitimacy to foreign pros, and something to rally around for the faction of viewers that cares more for personality than actual quality of game play? Also it wouldn't mean they couldn't attend mixed tourneys, think of it as a reservation for an endangered species, a habitat where they can flourish
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