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On August 07 2012 16:27 NHY wrote:
Tournament Weightings should be based on the overall level of competition. Good way to do this is to look at Ro32 player list of any given tournament. It tells you how "hard" it would be to win that tournament.
And if you are going to skip Code A, then you'd also need to do the same for MLG arena, non-WC IEM, WCS nationals, etc.
IMO, x2 GSL points, add points for Code A, x1/2 for everything else but MLG.
Code A seems too weird to put in, its like an odd losers bracket of a different tournament. What points would you do for someone who gets knocked out RO32 Code S, and wins back into Code S, vs someone who gets RO16, but is then knocked out in their Code A games? Do up and downs matter? Seems too convoluted.
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I am not MvP fan but to have any ranking that shows that he is not the most accomplished player/top of the ranking is silly.
MC did achieve a lot but MvP should still be 1st. GSL should be worth 2x as much due to the fact that it gives you so much time you prepare against known opponent so it shows how great you are when both sides can prepare their best.
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IdrA sitting at 1337... nice.
Awesome to see that MC triples Nerchio's 3k. Shows how insanely dominant the top players really are.
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This ranking is even worse than ELO.
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i think this ranking would only work if players were aware of it and its importance.
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I really like the idea, but i think you should add Iron Squid to the list, as a major event i think, same goes for TSL when the #4 is over
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nice idea, but has a few flaws.
Doesnt take GSTL results into effect (and maybe it shouldnt) but seeing the likes of gumiho so far down when he destroys in the team leagues is odd.
having Ret and Mana who have never won anything? ahead of 2 time MLG winnner HuK who also has homestory and a DH under his belt? might be wrong about that :p
still good job, you obviously put some time into this 
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wrong violet
more focus on gsl plz
be more precise - you missed some tournaments. some weighting is very questionable.
also, some promotion for my ranking if i may do so (also, i think this should be a blog @ OP. although its obviously way harder to get ppl to see it, rankings like this belong to "blogs" imo) 
http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?id=358614
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I like the idea quite a bit, but I feel like the best way to do this would be a collaboration of many people and their ideas for how to weight certain tournaments and so forth. Great idea though.
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On August 08 2012 03:58 ThatGuy89 wrote:nice idea, but has a few flaws. Doesnt take GSTL results into effect (and maybe it shouldnt) but seeing the likes of gumiho so far down when he destroys in the team leagues is odd. having Ret and Mana who have never won anything? ahead of 2 time MLG winnner HuK who also has homestory and a DH under his belt? might be wrong about that :p still good job, you obviously put some time into this
Well, the problem with team leagues has been talked about before.
As for your second paragraph, the results decay as time passes. So Ret (Who got second at WCS Netherlands, a SF at NASL S3 recently) compared to HuK (QF at NASL, 10th at WCS Canada, only some moderate MLG success), shows that lately, Ret has been the better player. This isn't an all time ranking, more recent results matter more.
ALSO!
I have changed things round again. GSL is worth more (5000 points for winning), and Code A is added. This has made it so that GSL success is more important. So here is the top 10:
+ Show Spoiler +
As you can see, the added importance in GSL means that Seed is now in the Top 10, and we see Nerchio drop down to 12, since his Dreamhack is less important compared to GSL now. Stephano is Stephano still though.
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Violet is listed as Protoss.
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How are the points weighted? U just made up numbers for each tourney win?
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On August 07 2012 14:17 Inoshishi wrote:
Seems kind of pointless with the TLPD ELO rankings, but still cool i guess.
I agree but well done with your work
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seems like a good idea, just wondering weather you should not give points for at least the OSL as its fully SC2 now too and it is (money and fame wise) the one of the, if not THE biggest Esports League.
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On August 08 2012 04:08 SoniC_eu wrote:
How are the points weighted? U just made up numbers for each tourney win?
Well, GSL is now based on the ranking points GSL themselves gives out. The others, well yes I "just made up numbers", but the numbers are based off of prestige of the various events. And I've made changes based on feedback from people in this thread. Technically, every single rating style similar to this "just makes up numbers" for tournaments, because there is no easy way to just make a number for the strength of the tournament.
On August 08 2012 04:16 gCgCrypto wrote:
seems like a good idea, just wondering weather you should not give points for at least the OSL as its fully SC2 now too and it is (money and fame wise) the one of the, if not THE biggest Esports League.
OSL isn't finished yet. As I said in the OP, I list tournaments from the date they FINISH. I will add OSL in once it is finished. If you mean the qualifiers, the only "qualifiers" I have in the rankings are Code A and the WCS Nationals. Adding the OSL qualifiers would be like adding the Code A Prelims.
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It would be arbitrary to define the "weightings" for all of these things. And it would be arbitrary overall to claim that this system of measurement actually works in any way and offers any kind of improved or refined way of deducing what this ultimately tries to.
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On August 08 2012 04:16 Metalteeth wrote:Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:08 SoniC_eu wrote:
How are the points weighted? U just made up numbers for each tourney win? Well, GSL is now based on the ranking points GSL themselves gives out. The others, well yes I "just made up numbers", but the numbers are based off of prestige of the various events. And I've made changes based on feedback from people in this thread. Technically, every single rating style similar to this "just makes up numbers" for tournaments, because there is no easy way to just make a number for the strength of the tournament. Show nested quote +On August 08 2012 04:16 gCgCrypto wrote:
seems like a good idea, just wondering weather you should not give points for at least the OSL as its fully SC2 now too and it is (money and fame wise) the one of the, if not THE biggest Esports League. OSL isn't finished yet. As I said in the OP, I list tournaments from the date they FINISH. I will add OSL in once it is finished. If you mean the qualifiers, the only "qualifiers" I have in the rankings are Code A and the WCS Nationals. Adding the OSL qualifiers would be like adding the Code A Prelims.
I was more talking ablut OSL dual tournament, wich finished just today and would be at least equivalent to code a. However i agree to the OSL qualifiers not being listed etc.
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Really great work man I appreciate this, although your margin of error is significant in terms of skill and rank. But for a lifetime of sc2 and success the is sweet!
Good post
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GSL should be excluded if you are trying to factor in only skill or be worth less.
It depends a lot on preparation. There is a reason TaeJa didn't win the last one...
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EPT
