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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
July 17 2012 07:19 GMT
#61
On July 17 2012 16:19 Ksquared wrote:
Why the hell did ForGG forfeit? He was streaming so I don't think its anything medical.


He's leaving for the Mill house soon and won't be participating in GSL any longer.
AndAgain
Profile Joined November 2010
United States2621 Posts
July 17 2012 07:21 GMT
#62
ForGG just took "Mill" off his stream name. The plot thickens.
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XilDarkz
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States563 Posts
July 17 2012 07:28 GMT
#63
On July 17 2012 14:35 McFeser wrote:
I like how the letter starts out as a random "Man, this season of GSL is great!" and then "Oh yeah, Ganzi and ForGG are forfeiting their matches"


I think this is a Korean thing; Nexon does this in their Maplestory related announcements as well I've noticed...
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Witten
Profile Joined January 2011
United States2094 Posts
July 17 2012 07:31 GMT
#64
On July 17 2012 16:21 AndAgain wrote:
ForGG just took "Mill" off his stream name. The plot thickens.


Still has Millenium overlay though, I wouldn't read into it.
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Zerg.Zilla
Profile Joined February 2012
Hungary5029 Posts
July 17 2012 07:32 GMT
#65
On July 17 2012 16:21 AndAgain wrote:
ForGG just took "Mill" off his stream name. The plot thickens.

Im watching hi's stream right now and it's there...no need to get exited.
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paradoxOO9
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom1123 Posts
July 17 2012 07:33 GMT
#66
Well that gave my liquibet a kick in the bollocks, this is great news! -.-
So. Much. Drama
Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
July 17 2012 07:38 GMT
#67
On July 17 2012 15:43 X3GoldDot wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:33 reikai wrote:
Is Korea losing it's dominance on ESports?? GSL is no longer top priority, foreigners beat koreans in tournaments (stephano), MMA wants to join a foreigner team..????


GSL is still the best sc2 tournament as of so far.... top koreans by far outclass top foreigners, maybe about 5 foreigners can be in code S...foreign teams give a salary unlike korean teams.. korea isnt losing its dominance at all.

top korean far outclass top foreigners?
while huk was in korea he kept up.
naniwa went toe to toe with drg. reaching top 8 2x in a row I think?
stephano just 4 2 mc, 4 0 alicia and consistently beats top koreans...
WetSocks
Profile Joined June 2012
United States953 Posts
July 17 2012 07:40 GMT
#68
so many big news this week o_o
Kamwah
Profile Joined February 2012
United Kingdom724 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 07:47:46
July 17 2012 07:45 GMT
#69
On July 17 2012 15:41 Benjamin99 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:36 Kamwah wrote:
I think ForGG didn't bother cos he's going to the MillHouse soon to throw his career away XD

Ganzi is probably busy. He'll be going to MLG soon.


Throw his career away? You kidding right Forgg will start to attend all the international tournaments and get alot of exposure. Also he gets to travel all around the world meeting new people, new fans etc. This is the best thing that could happend to Forgg.

I expect more and more Koreans will start forcusing on the international scene rather then the Korean scene. MMA just stated he wants to move to a foreign team


I'm not kidding, I think ForGG is good enough to be in a Korean team and be sent to international events.

I just don't think that Koreans benefit from the way foreign teams are less strict (Look at Complexity's Koreans) and I don't want to see him fall off but I was mostly referring to the fact that he's joined a relatively lackluster euro team which has rumors of losing their best player when his contract ends.

Plus no-one knows the reasoning behind the MMA fiasco yet so we can't assume any reasoning as to why he wants to move to a foreign team when he could easily move to another Korean one.


On July 17 2012 16:38 Malpractice.248 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 15:43 X3GoldDot wrote:
On July 17 2012 14:33 reikai wrote:
Is Korea losing it's dominance on ESports?? GSL is no longer top priority, foreigners beat koreans in tournaments (stephano), MMA wants to join a foreigner team..????


GSL is still the best sc2 tournament as of so far.... top koreans by far outclass top foreigners, maybe about 5 foreigners can be in code S...foreign teams give a salary unlike korean teams.. korea isnt losing its dominance at all.

top korean far outclass top foreigners?
while huk was in korea he kept up.
naniwa went toe to toe with drg. reaching top 8 2x in a row I think?
stephano just 4 2 mc, 4 0 alicia and consistently beats top koreans...


Only the tip top Euros can really consistently challenge top Koreans. Huk has fallen off for a while now. Naniwa and Stephano are probably the only ones I can think of that compete at a Code S level time and time again.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
July 17 2012 07:48 GMT
#70
Lol Koreans are learning i see ^_^
Why work so hard for Code A when you can chill and make more money from foreign tournaments
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Malpractice.248
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States734 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 07:55:50
July 17 2012 07:53 GMT
#71
its a societal thing. NA hates gamers still. europe more accepting.
dont forget stephano is american.

& foreigners are foreigners. foreigners beat koreans somewhat often. didn't sheth reach ro16 code a?
its not right to say foreigners can't keep up, then revert and day americans cant. they will in time. once eg starts acting professional instead of frat house
OnFiRe888
Profile Joined October 2010
United States629 Posts
July 17 2012 08:10 GMT
#72
I can't help but feel a little bit of contempt for these players. I cannot help but think that they took the "coward's way out" when it comes to being a pro-gamer in Korea. It seems to me that they only care about money and less about skill, so instead of sticking to it when things get rough, they flee to their foreign team houses in hopes that they can win foreign tournaments and get more money. Honestly, it's not a bad choice, however, a lot of times, korean pro-gamer career decisions are very uninformed and irrational. (I can really only think of two, maybe three korean players that have actually gotten better when joining a foreign team) Basically, they see an opportunity where they can slack and choose to slack instead of sticking to the rough times, but in the end, slacking will not improve one's success. (which I can't really fault them for, but it is a little bit disappointing to see) I guess we'll just have to see how this will turn out for them, as ganzi and forgg are probably going to forfeit the rest of their GSL matches and drop to code b. As ex-bw pros, I would've expected both these players to be a little more rigid when it comes to pro-gaming in Korea, but I guess they only care about results, at this point, as they are getting ready to go to the army.
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Arceus
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Vietnam8333 Posts
July 17 2012 08:33 GMT
#73
"international scene"? As if it's so prestigious. Apparently they aim for some little easy money before becoming completely washed-out. And it's not that easy with dudes like DRG boarding planes so often.
Kergy
Profile Joined December 2010
Peru2011 Posts
July 17 2012 08:36 GMT
#74
It's ok 5GG I still love you :'(
Everyday Girl's Day~!
Shellshock
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States97276 Posts
July 17 2012 08:37 GMT
#75
good luck abroad to both. sad to see them leave the GSL
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babylon
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
8765 Posts
July 17 2012 08:45 GMT
#76
On July 17 2012 16:13 Denzil wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 14:33 reikai wrote:
Is Korea losing it's dominance on ESports?? GSL is no longer top priority, foreigners beat koreans in tournaments (stephano), MMA wants to join a foreigner team..????


foreigners beat koreans in tournaments

as in mainly just stephano, mma saying he wants to join a foreign team is him just lashing out, any sensible foreign team would not actually offer him a contract based on his skill level right now, publicity? sure but not because he will crank out the results

look at all the koreans that have gone west to live there, Sleep Rain Dragon the other X6 korean zerg (can't remember his name right now) they've all dropped off hardcore, why? because the west isn't Korea

Also Code A is pretty low priority compared to Code S

On the other hand, if viOlet can still manage to stomp people while living in the US, I'm sure other Koreans will be fine if they still maintain their practice schedule with good practice partners. (And ofc you mentioned Stephano.)

In the end, it'll really be up to the player and his own dedication. We'll see what happens.

Also, MMA, even in a slump, is still a heavy contender for Code S. This without mentioning his added name value; he's one of the most marketable Korean SC2 pros out there.
Benjamin99
Profile Joined April 2012
4176 Posts
July 17 2012 08:50 GMT
#77
On July 17 2012 16:45 Kamwah wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 15:41 Benjamin99 wrote:
On July 17 2012 14:36 Kamwah wrote:
I think ForGG didn't bother cos he's going to the MillHouse soon to throw his career away XD

Ganzi is probably busy. He'll be going to MLG soon.


Throw his career away? You kidding right Forgg will start to attend all the international tournaments and get alot of exposure. Also he gets to travel all around the world meeting new people, new fans etc. This is the best thing that could happend to Forgg.

I expect more and more Koreans will start forcusing on the international scene rather then the Korean scene. MMA just stated he wants to move to a foreign team


I'm not kidding, I think ForGG is good enough to be in a Korean team and be sent to international events.

I just don't think that Koreans benefit from the way foreign teams are less strict (Look at Complexity's Koreans) and I don't want to see him fall off but I was mostly referring to the fact that he's joined a relatively lackluster euro team which has rumors of losing their best player when his contract ends.

Plus no-one knows the reasoning behind the MMA fiasco yet so we can't assume any reasoning as to why he wants to move to a foreign team when he could easily move to another Korean one.


Show nested quote +
On July 17 2012 16:38 Malpractice.248 wrote:
On July 17 2012 15:43 X3GoldDot wrote:
On July 17 2012 14:33 reikai wrote:
Is Korea losing it's dominance on ESports?? GSL is no longer top priority, foreigners beat koreans in tournaments (stephano), MMA wants to join a foreigner team..????


GSL is still the best sc2 tournament as of so far.... top koreans by far outclass top foreigners, maybe about 5 foreigners can be in code S...foreign teams give a salary unlike korean teams.. korea isnt losing its dominance at all.

top korean far outclass top foreigners?
while huk was in korea he kept up.
naniwa went toe to toe with drg. reaching top 8 2x in a row I think?
stephano just 4 2 mc, 4 0 alicia and consistently beats top koreans...


Only the tip top Euros can really consistently challenge top Koreans. Huk has fallen off for a while now. Naniwa and Stephano are probably the only ones I can think of that compete at a Code S level time and time again.


"relatively lackluster euro team" Wtf? You know nothing about Millinium. Millinium the team and there site is the biggest esport newslets in french. Its also one of the richest teams in the scene!. And they one of the few foriegn teams that got a pro house. But the most important thing is Millinium is a talent factory. They produced amasing players like Huk,Stephano,Feast.

Dragon has also begun to show massive improvements and I expect Forgg with his work ethic to be a powerhouse in EU soon. This is the best move Forgg could have done for himself.

You know nothing about Millinium and reading you other comments it seems you know nothing about the european pro scene aswell.




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zdfgucker
Profile Joined August 2011
China594 Posts
July 17 2012 08:51 GMT
#78
Had to check my liquibets, betted against them. Sad for GSL and many people, but I need the points.
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Dawg_Snow
Profile Joined September 2011
France425 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-07-17 09:03:33
July 17 2012 09:00 GMT
#79
On July 17 2012 14:36 Kamwah wrote:
I think ForGG didn't bother cos he's going to the MillHouse soon to throw his career away XD



You mean being able to attend to foreign events and not be stuck in GSL code A ?

It's funny how people underestimate Millenium both as a team and a business. They are the biggest esport website in europe, one of the wealthier team and have a huge following crowd in France.

Dragon is improving lately.
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Jodzog
Profile Joined May 2011
France45 Posts
July 17 2012 09:15 GMT
#80
On July 17 2012 16:53 Malpractice.248 wrote:
its a societal thing. NA hates gamers still. europe more accepting.


This is actually country relevant, while in certain country gaming might be more accepted in society, it is not the case everywhere. In France for example it is absolutely not, mentioning your passion for videogame makes you struggle in highschool social life, or to get girls for example, the opinion that gaming is a nerdy activity for social loser is really strong in french people.
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