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On July 17 2012 12:59 J1.au wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:49 ikh wrote:On July 17 2012 12:42 J1.au wrote:
These kind of demotions were common in BW. The only thing controversial here was MMA's supposed reaction to this move. A player of his calibre would've made the A-team again in a little while. yeah, true, but i think the context is slightly different as we're apparently talking about a punitive demotion. were there really notable, publicized cases of such in BW? can't really remember one. I've already linked one, but sAviOr was another big one. He was temporarily demoted to the B-team in 2008 as well. You can find many, many more reading the BW roster change threads over the years. The only reason I bring it up is because BoxeR is a huge proponent of the BW house system, and when I first read about the demotion I thought it would've been similiar to all these other ones from BW. Maybe it was some kind of punishment though?
uhh, my post was asking for punitive demotes, not demotes. unless i'm missing some weird cover-up story/theory, savior was not demoted for match fixing, he was permanently banned from playing for doing that, much like all other progamers involved in the scandal. he got demoted for slumping badly, no?
unless you meant he did something else to be punished for, which i can't really connect to his name at the moment.
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I'm sad to see that but I hope he reemerges and dominates!
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I just read that someone else from the team house saw MMA browsing maphacking websites in his history!
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On July 17 2012 13:03 pdd wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:59 J1.au wrote:On July 17 2012 12:49 ikh wrote:On July 17 2012 12:42 J1.au wrote:
These kind of demotions were common in BW. The only thing controversial here was MMA's supposed reaction to this move. A player of his calibre would've made the A-team again in a little while. yeah, true, but i think the context is slightly different as we're apparently talking about a punitive demotion. were there really notable, publicized cases of such in BW? can't really remember one. I've already linked one, but sAviOr was another big one. He was temporarily demoted to the B-team in 2008 as well. You can find many, many more reading the BW roster change threads over the years. The only reason I bring it up is because BoxeR is a huge proponent of the BW house system, and when I first read about the demotion I thought it would've been similiar to all these other ones from BW. Maybe it was some kind of punishment though? Thing is SlayerS are actually quite a small team (particularly, as of recently and if you don't count the countless SlayerS clan members). Also there haven't really been any notable demotions due to bad practice performances/internal rankings. Min, CoCa and Taeja (I believe he was at the house forawhile) are the only three who were at the house and left at some point. Both Min and Taeja left on their own accord while CoCa was forced out due to the Byun incident. I find it very unlikely that he was just demoted due to poor results and practice performances.
also i doubt they would refuse to comment saying it's an internal issue if it were just a simple demotion due to performance
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On July 17 2012 13:00 CarpetmoOse wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:49 pdd wrote:On July 17 2012 12:42 J1.au wrote:
These kind of demotions were common in BW. The only thing controversial here was MMA's supposed reaction to this move. A player of his calibre would've made the A-team again in a little while. It's strange though, because as far as I know (well we don't know about practice ranks and stuff), MMA still is a better Terran than Clide, and then you've got players in the house who haven't been performing very well at all for ages and still stayed in the house (*cough*Alicia*cough*). Think about it, with MMA gone, Clide and Ryung (and Puma and Thorzain) are the only Terrans left in the SlayerS house. Meanwhile they've still got 5 Zergs (KDY, Miya, CoCa, YugiOh, Min). It just doesn't equate that he was demoted due to a fall in internal rankings. I don't think this demotion is purely due to results/practice p erformance. It's probably a disciplinary issue or something, money, lack of practice, other issues. Are you freaking stupid or did you just fall on your head? Have you not seen Alicia finish runner up twice within the last month? MLG he got second to DRG, and this time he got second to Stephano at the NASL3 finals, yesterday at that as well (which face it, most P lose to Stephano anyways, all other imba, OP, ect talk disregarded). At least know how the team members are doing before you call them out.
I was talking about Alicia prior to his recent resurgence, dude got eliminated by Select in Code A and virtually disappeared off the face of the earth for a couple of months. No need to get worked up over one phrase in my argument.
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On July 17 2012 13:02 crawlingchaos wrote:
So.. MMA stole MKP's wallet and Boxer demoted him?
Based on the evidence collected here this is the most likely answer, maybe.
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On July 17 2012 13:03 ikh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:59 J1.au wrote:On July 17 2012 12:49 ikh wrote:On July 17 2012 12:42 J1.au wrote:
These kind of demotions were common in BW. The only thing controversial here was MMA's supposed reaction to this move. A player of his calibre would've made the A-team again in a little while. yeah, true, but i think the context is slightly different as we're apparently talking about a punitive demotion. were there really notable, publicized cases of such in BW? can't really remember one. I've already linked one, but sAviOr was another big one. He was temporarily demoted to the B-team in 2008 as well. You can find many, many more reading the BW roster change threads over the years. The only reason I bring it up is because BoxeR is a huge proponent of the BW house system, and when I first read about the demotion I thought it would've been similiar to all these other ones from BW. Maybe it was some kind of punishment though? uhh, my post was asking for punitive demotes, not demotes. unless i'm missing some weird cover-up story/theory, savior was not demoted for match fixing, he was permanently banned from playing for doing that, much like all other progamers involved in the scandal. he got demoted for slumping badly.
The match fixing scandal was in 2010, so he was not demoted for that in 2008 because it wouldn't of been known at the time.
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On July 17 2012 13:05 everyone wrote:
I just read that someone else from the team house saw MMA browsing maphacking websites in his history!
I feel like this is misinformation without a source. Please don't stir up more trouble.
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Rumors of SlayerS' demise are greatly exaggerated. Yes, losing Ganzi and Taeja severely weakened the SlayerS terran line-up, but where there was once Ganzi, Taeja, and MMA, there is now CoCa, Puzzle/Alicia, and Ryung. It may not be the Terran players that many Slayers fans originally fell in love with, but they are in the semifinals of the GSTL. How exactly are they falling apart?
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On July 17 2012 13:06 Flossy wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 13:05 everyone wrote:
I just read that someone else from the team house saw MMA browsing maphacking websites in his history! I feel like this is misinformation without a source. Please don't stir up more trouble.
everyone is saying it, so it must be true.
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On July 17 2012 13:03 ikh wrote:Show nested quote +On July 17 2012 12:59 J1.au wrote:On July 17 2012 12:49 ikh wrote:On July 17 2012 12:42 J1.au wrote:
These kind of demotions were common in BW. The only thing controversial here was MMA's supposed reaction to this move. A player of his calibre would've made the A-team again in a little while. yeah, true, but i think the context is slightly different as we're apparently talking about a punitive demotion. were there really notable, publicized cases of such in BW? can't really remember one. I've already linked one, but sAviOr was another big one. He was temporarily demoted to the B-team in 2008 as well. You can find many, many more reading the BW roster change threads over the years. The only reason I bring it up is because BoxeR is a huge proponent of the BW house system, and when I first read about the demotion I thought it would've been similiar to all these other ones from BW. Maybe it was some kind of punishment though? uhh, my post was asking for punitive demotes, not demotes. unless i'm missing some weird cover-up story/theory, savior was not demoted for match fixing, he was permanently banned from playing for doing that, much like all other progamers involved in the scandal. he got demoted for slumping badly, no? unless you meant he did something else to be punished for, which i can't really connect to his name at the moment.
I thought you were asking for more examples of B-team demotions, not punitive demotions. Those are actually pretty unheard of.
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On July 17 2012 13:06 GhostyGhost wrote:
Rumors of SlayerS' demise are greatly exaggerated. Yes, losing Ganzi and Taeja severely weakened the SlayerS terran line-up, but where there was once Ganzi, Taeja, and MMA, there is now CoCa, Puzzle/Alicia, and Ryung. It may not be the Terran players that many Slayers fans originally fell in love with, but they are in the semifinals of the GSTL. How exactly are they falling apart?
maybe this is all a devious plot to rid slayers of their terran image since the emperor is (thinking about) switching race 
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SlayerS is my favorite team because of Boxer and MMA is my favorite SC2 player because of what he did while on SlayerS. MMA has been on huge huge slump and it wasn't uncommon for BW teams to demote their players or send them home. I think it happened to Bisu and Fantasy.
I'm really sad to hear this news but I'm not surprised. I thought it was strange that MMA didn't volunteer to come out in their last GSTL match. After Ryung won the match, everyone on the SlayerS bench was really happy, got up and started clapping, everyone except MMA. After attending the IPL event, MMA probably got approached by a foreign team and when he got back to Korea, he told SlayerS of his intention to join a foreign team. Because he was still under contract, SlayerS probably got mad and sent him home. MMA probably didn't take it too well and more than likely won't come back...... every single time someone changes their twitter name, they've pretty much decided they want to leave. I can't think of anyone who changed their twitter name and then remained with the team.. not a single one.
I'm sick and tired of foreign teams pooching top talents from Korea.... when will it stop?
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On July 17 2012 13:06 GhostyGhost wrote:
Rumors of SlayerS' demise are greatly exaggerated. Yes, losing Ganzi and Taeja severely weakened the SlayerS terran line-up, but where there was once Ganzi, Taeja, and MMA, there is now CoCa, Puzzle/Alicia, and Ryung. It may not be the Terran players that many Slayers fans originally fell in love with, but they are in the semifinals of the GSTL. How exactly are they falling apart?
Taeja was only an online player when he was on SlayerS and GanZi was never really that much better than Ryung. People are really blowing "SlayerS' demise" out of proportion.
Also people are forgetting that YuGiOh is awesome
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can the mods warn or ban the people who say shit like "oh i bet it was jessica's fault"??. seriously shit like that , when no one has any idea what's going on hurts reputations and careers. it's exactly the kind of behavior that promotes witchhunts and should not be tolerated, allowed, or promoted.
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Well this is an interesting tidbit. I wonder what MMA did to deserve this. He definitely is still one of (if not the) best terrans in the world, so it shouldn't be anything related to practice or skill.
Maybe he blew a gasket and said a few bad words?
I don't know, and to be honest, I'm not sure there is much reason to care. Being one of the best players on the team pretty much guarantees that he'll be back on the A-team soon, and if not, well, I heard Empire has some pretty good Terran practice partners.
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Sad for slayers reputation, but i always rooted for ryung anyways.
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This thread blew up : D Interesting, I'd be pissed too.
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On July 17 2012 13:06 GhostyGhost wrote:
Rumors of SlayerS' demise are greatly exaggerated. Yes, losing Ganzi and Taeja severely weakened the SlayerS terran line-up, but where there was once Ganzi, Taeja, and MMA, there is now CoCa, Puzzle/Alicia, and Ryung. It may not be the Terran players that many Slayers fans originally fell in love with, but they are in the semifinals of the GSTL. How exactly are they falling apart?
As a SlayerS fan from GSTL2 (ignore MVP pic in signature), there's this sense that they haven't been the same SlayerS as they used to be. Even when they had a bad GSTL 2011 S1 (going 1-4 in the groups?), there was this air of unity and tightness in their line-up. Things have really changed a lot since then IMO. It's my personal opinion though, so please don't shoot me for it.
- Cella hasn't really been as passionate and hardworking as he was in GSTL2 and 3
- Coach Ryu left (yeah he wasn't really there at the beginning, but he made a major impact when he came on)
- Eve being marketed more and more (Troy, etc) instead of the other players in the team.
- Losing Razer as a major sponsor
- Jessica becoming head coach/manager and spokesperson for the team rather than Boxer.
- Boxer seemingly playing less and less of a role in the team.
They have been a resurgence, but the team just feels a lot different. Then again most teams have also changed a lot since the early days of GSTL.
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