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leopardb
Profile Joined August 2012
Germany92 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-08-23 19:03:24
August 23 2012 14:10 GMT
#501
deleted : wrong thread
don't worry, be happy
zEnVy
Profile Joined June 2011
United States446 Posts
August 23 2012 14:17 GMT
#502
I play all three races at Diamond level, and this corresponds with my own personal experiences. Playing Terran is like hard mode for Starcraft 2. ZvT is mind numbing-ly easy, you just don't make a huge mistake, get to late game, you just a move and win. You don't attack, not much micro, no scouting needed.
elanobissen
Profile Joined February 2011
Denmark244 Posts
August 25 2012 16:49 GMT
#503
I don't understand why this doesn't get more attention. Am I interpreting the numbers wrongly or does terran show a MAJOR defficit in MMR?
graNite
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Germany4434 Posts
August 25 2012 17:04 GMT
#504
skel can you make a graph on winrates based on mmr? so that we can see which race wins on what skill level
"Oink oink, bitches" - Tasteless on Pigbaby winning a map against Flash
reneg
Profile Joined September 2010
United States859 Posts
August 25 2012 17:04 GMT
#505
On August 26 2012 01:49 elanobissen wrote:
I don't understand why this doesn't get more attention. Am I interpreting the numbers wrongly or does terran show a MAJOR defficit in MMR?


I think the fact that it's within ~50 MMR, out of 2000 plus, it's not that big a deal. Unless i'm also grossly misunderstanding the data.

From what i'm understanding (and correct me if i'm wrong), T loses an average of 1-3 more games a season than the others?
moose...indian
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 25 2012 17:05 GMT
#506
Yeah, Skeldark found a good objective method to prove that Terrans on the whole have lesser MMR.
It is funny that only posters with some kind of stipulations of his methods are those with Zerg icons.
System42
Profile Joined August 2011
172 Posts
August 25 2012 17:06 GMT
#507
omg....U cant say that terran is doing terrible in tvz and so on lately when terrans have been getting the best results lately they have been winning all the more recent tournaments besides the recent na regional terrans have won. Mlg summer arena 1, Asus rog summer, Campus EU. IEM, ESV grandfinals and just overall good results and people say how tvz zerg is so imba when terrans have been doing just fine against zerg and I feel if u really are losing every game against zerg with terran u don't know how to play your race when there are terrans like taeja with a 82% win rate in tvz. and as Sheth says u cant say your race is so bad when its doing really good.

and being a zerg player I have noticed that when I play against terran a terran player will do some of the stupidest stuff ever and then they will lose because of it and its stupid because after they will talk about balance like they lost all because they chose to play terran no you were just the dumbest player in the game so just think as ur looking through these comments there are terrans out there that do stupid stuff and then complain about balance just because they can

and another thing I remember a time where terrans complained about protoss ALOT and how tvp protoss is op blah blah blah. AND then zerg got a buff to help deal with helions so they got a queen buff and the whloe point of this buff was to kind of help when 4 helions come to your nat so they don't slip into your main because after that happens its pretty much gg.
and then after the buff no changes were made for terran or protoss but yet terrans just moved on and started complaining about zerg. and now Terran are doing really well against protoss and so on so I find that to be really dumb as well.

So overall alot of terrans out there are just stupid. thank you
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
August 25 2012 17:10 GMT
#508
On August 26 2012 02:05 Embir wrote:
Yeah, Skeldark found a good objective method to prove that Terrans on the whole have lesser MMR.
It is funny that only posters with some kind of stipulations of his methods are those with Zerg icons.

It's also no coincidence that every Terran Icon seems to aggree with him; people are okay with the race they play being "proven" to be UP, because it makes them feel better about their accomplishments, and justifies troubles they have. While Zerg (and Protoss too) who have problems against Terran, when drawing from their own experience, feel that the Terran UP data doesn't fit their personal experience, so they seek to disprove it, or find something incorrect with the data.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 25 2012 17:13 GMT
#509
On August 26 2012 02:10 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 02:05 Embir wrote:
Yeah, Skeldark found a good objective method to prove that Terrans on the whole have lesser MMR.
It is funny that only posters with some kind of stipulations of his methods are those with Zerg icons.

It's also no coincidence that every Terran Icon seems to aggree with him; people are okay with the race they play being "proven" to be UP, because it makes them feel better about their accomplishments, and justifies troubles they have. While Zerg (and Protoss too) who have problems against Terran, when drawing from their own experience, feel that the Terran UP data doesn't fit their personal experience, so they seek to disprove it, or find something incorrect with the data.


You forgot about one thing in this. His method are absloutely objective.
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 25 2012 17:19 GMT
#510
On August 26 2012 02:06 System42 wrote:
omg....U cant say that terran is doing terrible in tvz and so on lately when terrans have been getting the best results lately they have been winning all the more recent tournaments besides the recent na regional terrans have won. Mlg summer arena 1, Asus rog summer, Campus EU. IEM, ESV grandfinals and just overall good results and people say how tvz zerg is so imba when terrans have been doing just fine against zerg and I feel if u really are losing every game against zerg with terran u don't know how to play your race when there are terrans like taeja with a 82% win rate in tvz. and as Sheth says u cant say your race is so bad when its doing really good.

and being a zerg player I have noticed that when I play against terran a terran player will do some of the stupidest stuff ever and then they will lose because of it and its stupid because after they will talk about balance like they lost all because they chose to play terran no you were just the dumbest player in the game so just think as ur looking through these comments there are terrans out there that do stupid stuff and then complain about balance just because they can

and another thing I remember a time where terrans complained about protoss ALOT and how tvp protoss is op blah blah blah. AND then zerg got a buff to help deal with helions so they got a queen buff and the whloe point of this buff was to kind of help when 4 helions come to your nat so they don't slip into your main because after that happens its pretty much gg.
and then after the buff no changes were made for terran or protoss but yet terrans just moved on and started complaining about zerg. and now Terran are doing really well against protoss and so on so I find that to be really dumb as well.

So overall alot of terrans out there are just stupid. thank you


Are u dumb, or just having difficulties with reading comprehension?
Where did I say that Terrans are doing terrible? They are just doing worse on the ladder - simple as that.

Also - before huge Zerg buffs, Nestea, DRG and Fruitdealer won GSL, not even speaking about Stephano or other Zergs in foreigner tournaments who won many times before patch. You see where Im coming? Yes, fact that single player is doing good with given race doesn't prove that certain race is balanced or not.



User was temp banned for this post.
System42
Profile Joined August 2011
172 Posts
August 25 2012 17:32 GMT
#511
On August 26 2012 02:19 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 02:06 System42 wrote:
omg....U cant say that terran is doing terrible in tvz and so on lately when terrans have been getting the best results lately they have been winning all the more recent tournaments besides the recent na regional terrans have won. Mlg summer arena 1, Asus rog summer, Campus EU. IEM, ESV grandfinals and just overall good results and people say how tvz zerg is so imba when terrans have been doing just fine against zerg and I feel if u really are losing every game against zerg with terran u don't know how to play your race when there are terrans like taeja with a 82% win rate in tvz. and as Sheth says u cant say your race is so bad when its doing really good.

and being a zerg player I have noticed that when I play against terran a terran player will do some of the stupidest stuff ever and then they will lose because of it and its stupid because after they will talk about balance like they lost all because they chose to play terran no you were just the dumbest player in the game so just think as ur looking through these comments there are terrans out there that do stupid stuff and then complain about balance just because they can

and another thing I remember a time where terrans complained about protoss ALOT and how tvp protoss is op blah blah blah. AND then zerg got a buff to help deal with helions so they got a queen buff and the whloe point of this buff was to kind of help when 4 helions come to your nat so they don't slip into your main because after that happens its pretty much gg.
and then after the buff no changes were made for terran or protoss but yet terrans just moved on and started complaining about zerg. and now Terran are doing really well against protoss and so on so I find that to be really dumb as well.

So overall alot of terrans out there are just stupid. thank you


Are u dumb, or just having difficulties with reading comprehension?
Where did I say that Terrans are doing terrible? They are just doing worse on the ladder - simple as that.

Also - before huge Zerg buffs, Nestea, DRG and Fruitdealer won GSL, not even speaking about Stephano or other Zergs in foreigner tournaments who won many times before patch. You see where Im coming? Yes, fact that single player is doing good with given race doesn't prove that certain race is balanced or not.

well thanks for showing me and everyone else that ur the most retarded person in the world did I quote you no did I say anything about you no I just that overall think next time please and hey dumbass terran has the most gsl title wins I hope u feel really stupid right now and embarrassed and signle player? LOL Taeja, Merineking, Alive, Supernova, MVP, MMA, all winning huge tournaments recently so I recommend u stfu because thats what most terran players were doing.


User was temp banned for this post.
CrazyF1r3f0x
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States2120 Posts
August 25 2012 18:05 GMT
#512
On August 26 2012 02:13 Embir wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 02:10 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
On August 26 2012 02:05 Embir wrote:
Yeah, Skeldark found a good objective method to prove that Terrans on the whole have lesser MMR.
It is funny that only posters with some kind of stipulations of his methods are those with Zerg icons.

It's also no coincidence that every Terran Icon seems to aggree with him; people are okay with the race they play being "proven" to be UP, because it makes them feel better about their accomplishments, and justifies troubles they have. While Zerg (and Protoss too) who have problems against Terran, when drawing from their own experience, feel that the Terran UP data doesn't fit their personal experience, so they seek to disprove it, or find something incorrect with the data.


You forgot about one thing in this. His method are absloutely objective.

-_-
I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying in explains the behavior. It doesn't matter how objective the method is, people like hearing there race is harder than the others, and don't enjoy it vice versa.
"Actual happiness always looks pretty squalid in comparison with the overcompensations for misery."
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 25 2012 18:09 GMT
#513
On August 26 2012 02:32 System42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 02:19 Embir wrote:
On August 26 2012 02:06 System42 wrote:
omg....U cant say that terran is doing terrible in tvz and so on lately when terrans have been getting the best results lately they have been winning all the more recent tournaments besides the recent na regional terrans have won. Mlg summer arena 1, Asus rog summer, Campus EU. IEM, ESV grandfinals and just overall good results and people say how tvz zerg is so imba when terrans have been doing just fine against zerg and I feel if u really are losing every game against zerg with terran u don't know how to play your race when there are terrans like taeja with a 82% win rate in tvz. and as Sheth says u cant say your race is so bad when its doing really good.

and being a zerg player I have noticed that when I play against terran a terran player will do some of the stupidest stuff ever and then they will lose because of it and its stupid because after they will talk about balance like they lost all because they chose to play terran no you were just the dumbest player in the game so just think as ur looking through these comments there are terrans out there that do stupid stuff and then complain about balance just because they can

and another thing I remember a time where terrans complained about protoss ALOT and how tvp protoss is op blah blah blah. AND then zerg got a buff to help deal with helions so they got a queen buff and the whloe point of this buff was to kind of help when 4 helions come to your nat so they don't slip into your main because after that happens its pretty much gg.
and then after the buff no changes were made for terran or protoss but yet terrans just moved on and started complaining about zerg. and now Terran are doing really well against protoss and so on so I find that to be really dumb as well.

So overall alot of terrans out there are just stupid. thank you


Are u dumb, or just having difficulties with reading comprehension?
Where did I say that Terrans are doing terrible? They are just doing worse on the ladder - simple as that.

Also - before huge Zerg buffs, Nestea, DRG and Fruitdealer won GSL, not even speaking about Stephano or other Zergs in foreigner tournaments who won many times before patch. You see where Im coming? Yes, fact that single player is doing good with given race doesn't prove that certain race is balanced or not.

well thanks for showing me and everyone else that ur the most retarded person in the world did I quote you no did I say anything about you no I just that overall think next time please and hey dumbass terran has the most gsl title wins I hope u feel really stupid right now and embarrassed and signle player? LOL Taeja, Merineking, Alive, Supernova, MVP, MMA, all winning huge tournaments recently so I recommend u stfu because thats what most terran players were doing.


Enjoy your ban.
Embir
Profile Joined January 2011
Poland567 Posts
August 25 2012 18:12 GMT
#514
On August 26 2012 03:05 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 26 2012 02:13 Embir wrote:
On August 26 2012 02:10 CrazyF1r3f0x wrote:
On August 26 2012 02:05 Embir wrote:
Yeah, Skeldark found a good objective method to prove that Terrans on the whole have lesser MMR.
It is funny that only posters with some kind of stipulations of his methods are those with Zerg icons.

It's also no coincidence that every Terran Icon seems to aggree with him; people are okay with the race they play being "proven" to be UP, because it makes them feel better about their accomplishments, and justifies troubles they have. While Zerg (and Protoss too) who have problems against Terran, when drawing from their own experience, feel that the Terran UP data doesn't fit their personal experience, so they seek to disprove it, or find something incorrect with the data.


You forgot about one thing in this. His method are absloutely objective.

-_-
I'm not saying they're right, I'm saying in explains the behavior. It doesn't matter how objective the method is, people like hearing there race is harder than the others, and don't enjoy it vice versa.


Oh so this was only psychology off topic? Thanks.
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