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On July 02 2018 07:26 NaYa1 wrote:
Those kind of people snipe only you two.. so I guess its ok in that case tho
What does this thread have to do with stream sniping? The last bit of posts are about the fact that there's an entire group of people on NA right now that are maphacking that haven't been banned despite all using the same clan tag and flaunting the fact they hack, including one of them recently that even streamed showcasing the fact that he's using a working maphack.
They also are sniping other streamers most likely, but not sure about that. Either way, still doesn't help get Blizzard on this issue again.
As i wrote in a previous post, it seems like it takes the SC2 Korean community to be up in arms about it for something to be done about it, but is the community still as big at this point for something like that to happen? It may be happening mostly on NA? Not sure.
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Another instance tonight of WinterSC maphacking:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/280250450?t=3h54m20s
Check his VOD. Because of the previous encounter(s) i've had with this guy on ladder where he scouts and plays better than Innovation and can find every single overlord in fog of war by clicking on them, i decided to proxy him and see how he reacts.
Before leaving this game, he pulls off some great acting, up until he decides to snap his camera in fog of war directly to where the proxy is lol.
It's pretty normal someone is going to check a game they leave / quit+rewind THEN move their camera to see where the proxy is right? This kid literally just snaps his camera straight to the proxy before quit+rewinding the game. Oh, happens to be right directly on the proxy  which could have been anywhere lol.
Most likely out of habit because he can see both buildings in fog via his MH. The other evidence i posted on TL was worse than this, with Winter quite literally clicking on overlords in fog of war, multiple times within the same game with a viking.
How much more evidence needs to be posted? There was evidence i had from the LOTV beta of Winter doing the exact same thing, clicking on/avoiding stasis traps in fog of war, as well as clicking on observers. Now within the last week, he's doing the same thing clicking on overlords directly in fog of war, and snapping his camera straight to a proxy (inadvertently) before leaving a game.
Hacks exist on this game. And yes, some known people are using them. They think they are smart enough to not get caught - they will get caught. IF this were SC1 / Brood War era and we had tools seeing kids click on buildings/units and waypointing their units DIRECTLY onto units in fog of war, they'd be insta-banned from TL / put on blast in the community.
Why is this not the same in 2018? How much evidence needs to be presented here on TL or elsewhere to actually punish cheaters in the community? I'm asking honestly because apparently nowadays the only thing accepted will be if someone is behind their PC at the person's home with a camera.
It's obvious there is a working MH out there right now that's being passed around/multiplying as of late.
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Avilo, stop PLZ to tell everyone MH !
This no proof of anything on what you saying !
If he MH like you said, did he build a fast CC ?
You have to admit, you are not good as you think.
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Serious question: Can avilo be banned from posting in this particular thread? He's about 3 out of 3000 on his accusations.
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i have a replay where avilo rallied his first reaper to my command center that he NEVER scouted. avilo isthhh a maphacker guyttth!!!!! ban all hackersthhhh!!
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ProTech is the only one of very few that puts reliable sorces and explaines what the hacker does that makes him/her a hacker like the video above. All cred to you my friend! good job !(:
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On July 06 2018 03:58 StorM_Sweden wrote:
ProTech is the only one of very few that puts reliable sorces and explaines what the hacker does that makes him/her a hacker like the video above. All cred to you my friend! good job !(:
yeah i too appreciate the time and effort he puts into this issue
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What is blizzard to do? ;( .
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Today was an interesting situation, played TvT and after opponent scanned, my game just minimized and he attacked, it was absolutely perfect timing and after game he typed "sorry" to me.
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The following only happend in dia, but IMO that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It's also on patch 4.5.1, which is midly interesting. I played <PANDA0>kokobg twice tonight on the Americas servers. These are the replays:
First game
Second game
I am quite certain that <PANDA0>kokobg is a map hacker.
I only analysed the second game in depth. After that I quickly glimpsed over the first game and I am not ready to believe people get this lucky.
My one and only point is his perfect army movement, which he does only when and where neccessary, without any vision besides a stationary observer on my production. Otherwise his army is 100% idle sitting in the same spot until he is ready to a move.
In the second game:
- At 5:22 my reaper at his third. He goes to investigate his third but then replaces his waypoint almost directly on my reaper. Not strong evidence by itself, but for completeness sake.
- At 5:30 I try to sneak in Widow mines and he doesn't see it. Not in transit, not unloading. Yet he hits the perfect warp in timing and resets the rally point to intercept my widow mines. He continues to heavily micro his new Stalkers, not caring about anything else, as if he knew that there is something to take care of.
- At 6:08 he moves his probe to his eastern third location. And begins to build up minerals. At 6:38 he finally decides its a good moment to expand, but not where he put his probe, because that's where my army is about to strike. He builds his third at another location.
- At 6:28, just when my reaper is about to jump into his main, he splits up his otherwise idle army so that he would definetly catch it. With no vision of my reaper approaching.
- He selects his whole army at 6:46 and sends it outside his base, to intercept my attack. This happens 1 second before my scan on his location. He can't have knowledge about my army being there, because he has no vision because he moved away his probe from that location 10 seconds earlier.
- At 8:53 he moves his entire army to intercept my push towards his third. I proceed to move my widowmines to the east of his third, which he happly intercepts, before moving back to the west, where I just sent my army.
- At 11:07 he warps in two HTs, one at his main, one at his nat, rallying to his fourth (because the pylons are not yet up at that position). Just in time to lazily take care of the medivacs I have close to these locations. Then, at 11:21 he relocates the HT in his main to perfectly meet my medivac of which he hasn't had any vision up until this point. He heavily microes that HT until 11:29, which was the perfect timing to snap to his fourth to feedback my medivac there; of which he hasn't had any vision either. And after that, knowing that it was a lone medivac without any support he snaps back to his main to take care of medivac there, as it haphazardously was just by his HT.
- At 11:58 he relocated his army to the west of his third, because I was about to push that position. Usually he keeps his army between his nat, thrid and fourth. (He doesn't even split off a single unit to defend his fourth.)
- At 13:11 he puts his army back in its usual location between his 3 bases, only to warp in at 13:36 and rally/move everything to his fourth at 13:39 because thats where my army was gathering. Again, with no vision whatsoever. He proceeds to heavily micro his army beginning at 13:50, which is when i started to move into his fourth, of which he only gets vision 2 seconds later.
- He proceeds to move his entire army to the west of his third because thats where my next push was going to be. Again leaving his fourth completely unprotected (I had two full Medivacs there 40 seconds ago!). His vision is also only on the location I would attack into.
- Then he gets his Mothership out and just clicks a move on my army, of which he has no vision. Again, not leaving anything behind to maybe protect the location I attacked 40 seconds earlier.
After this I went to watch the first game. No details, but you may see for yourself:
- Both Stalkers at his nat, only moving one to the main as my reaper approaches the clif. After that it goes back to the nat, leaving the cliff/main unprotected.
- interception of my hellion in the middle of the map
- interception of my hellion scouting his third.
- His entire army sits at his nat (after intercepting my reaper) but he splits it to intercept my drop in his main (just as the medivacs approach) and to intercept my units moving towards his third
In two games he perfectly intercepts each of my moves with no vision whatsoever. I am bad and I make stupid choices all the time. I know what it looks and feels like when I am massively outplayed. This is different.
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Doesn't really matter these days.
The only way to get blizzards attention on the matter is to:
1) Have a youtube video that gets a lot of views
2) Have a reddit thread that gets a lot of upvotes
These are the only two things that will result in a players ban, or holding any relevance whatsoever.
This thread is a pretty big waste of time to be honest. It just keeps getting worse each season that goes by, people are simply not hiding it anymore. We're back to the dark SC1 days, with no private server to go to.
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I started playing in lotv, got to d2, and always heard stories about map hacks but never experienced it. Every time I thought to myself 'how did he know' I would find out in the replay that they had some scouting I wasn't aware of.
But yesterday while playing on my alt account I ran into a random player who acted... questionably.... First of all, my policy with random players is if they don't tell me their race before my first drone finishes I cheese the crap out of them. He did not reveal his race, so I cancelled the drone at the last second and made a pool for 12 pool speed first then pulling gas drones.
How does my opponent open? Forge first wall with two pylons at the low ground, followed by 2 cannons behind the wall and hold positioning the probe in the gap. He then proceeds to float almost 300 minerals before my lings showed up. Then he makes his natural and cyber core once he realizes he's safe and I'm expanding.
He scouted NOTHING, didn't even send a probe. And judging from how his camera moved nervously and he didn't spend his minerals cleanly it seems obvious that wasn't his normal every game build order.
Luckily he was an idiot who decided to go into void rays after that so I still won.
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On August 17 2018 06:56 QuinnTheEskimo wrote:The following only happend in dia, but IMO that doesn't make it any more acceptable. It's also on patch 4.5.1, which is midly interesting. I played <PANDA0>kokobg twice tonight on the Americas servers. These are the replays: First gameSecond gameI am quite certain that <PANDA0>kokobg is a map hacker. I only analysed the second game in depth. After that I quickly glimpsed over the first game and I am not ready to believe people get this lucky. My one and only point is his perfect army movement, which he does only when and where neccessary, without any vision besides a stationary observer on my production. Otherwise his army is 100% idle sitting in the same spot until he is ready to a move.In the second game: - At 5:22 my reaper at his third. He goes to investigate his third but then replaces his waypoint almost directly on my reaper. Not strong evidence by itself, but for completeness sake.
- At 5:30 I try to sneak in Widow mines and he doesn't see it. Not in transit, not unloading. Yet he hits the perfect warp in timing and resets the rally point to intercept my widow mines. He continues to heavily micro his new Stalkers, not caring about anything else, as if he knew that there is something to take care of.
- At 6:08 he moves his probe to his eastern third location. And begins to build up minerals. At 6:38 he finally decides its a good moment to expand, but not where he put his probe, because that's where my army is about to strike. He builds his third at another location.
- At 6:28, just when my reaper is about to jump into his main, he splits up his otherwise idle army so that he would definetly catch it. With no vision of my reaper approaching.
- He selects his whole army at 6:46 and sends it outside his base, to intercept my attack. This happens 1 second before my scan on his location. He can't have knowledge about my army being there, because he has no vision because he moved away his probe from that location 10 seconds earlier.
- At 8:53 he moves his entire army to intercept my push towards his third. I proceed to move my widowmines to the east of his third, which he happly intercepts, before moving back to the west, where I just sent my army.
- At 11:07 he warps in two HTs, one at his main, one at his nat, rallying to his fourth (because the pylons are not yet up at that position). Just in time to lazily take care of the medivacs I have close to these locations. Then, at 11:21 he relocates the HT in his main to perfectly meet my medivac of which he hasn't had any vision up until this point. He heavily microes that HT until 11:29, which was the perfect timing to snap to his fourth to feedback my medivac there; of which he hasn't had any vision either. And after that, knowing that it was a lone medivac without any support he snaps back to his main to take care of medivac there, as it haphazardously was just by his HT.
- At 11:58 he relocated his army to the west of his third, because I was about to push that position. Usually he keeps his army between his nat, thrid and fourth. (He doesn't even split off a single unit to defend his fourth.)
- At 13:11 he puts his army back in its usual location between his 3 bases, only to warp in at 13:36 and rally/move everything to his fourth at 13:39 because thats where my army was gathering. Again, with no vision whatsoever. He proceeds to heavily micro his army beginning at 13:50, which is when i started to move into his fourth, of which he only gets vision 2 seconds later.
- He proceeds to move his entire army to the west of his third because thats where my next push was going to be. Again leaving his fourth completely unprotected (I had two full Medivacs there 40 seconds ago!). His vision is also only on the location I would attack into.
- Then he gets his Mothership out and just clicks a move on my army, of which he has no vision. Again, not leaving anything behind to maybe protect the location I attacked 40 seconds earlier.
After this I went to watch the first game. No details, but you may see for yourself: - Both Stalkers at his nat, only moving one to the main as my reaper approaches the clif. After that it goes back to the nat, leaving the cliff/main unprotected.
- interception of my hellion in the middle of the map
- interception of my hellion scouting his third.
- His entire army sits at his nat (after intercepting my reaper) but he splits it to intercept my drop in his main (just as the medivacs approach) and to intercept my units moving towards his third
In two games he perfectly intercepts each of my moves with no vision whatsoever. I am bad and I make stupid choices all the time. I know what it looks and feels like when I am massively outplayed. This is different.
I gotta say those feedbacks looked pretty suspicious as well as some of his army movements. So I decided to look this guy up on SC2Replay stats. The first video I found he perfectly amoves onto a proxy stargate without any scouting(ie wasn't able to get in the base) info that would make him should lead him to be suspicious. I checked out a few others and I noticed he rarely scouts aside from the inital probe scout, seems to be suspiciously in the right place at the right time.
The specific replay is here:
http://sc2replaystats.com/replay/8158832
Here is a listing of all of his replays as well if anyone is curious.
http://sc2replaystats.com/player/664918?tab=replays
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Hacker name:
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battlenet:://starcraft/profile/1/17304994766882078720
(he plays teams with some NSKL players)
Server: NA
League: Master 1v1
Description:
Opponent go straight to units without information.
Replay:
https://drop.sc/replay/8563819
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Was playing an unranked TvT last night. Got bored so watched the replay from his perspective today. At 3:10 in the replay, viewing the gam from brikc's perspective with his camera enabled, you can clearly see a huge zoom-out that lets him see the entire map at one time. I've never seen a hack like this. Can someone please confirm this on their end and it's not a gigantic bug on my end? Thanks!
(This isn't some "suspicious play" or anything. This is clearly evident in the replay. I've provided an imgur link to show his vision during these moments. What the hell?)
https://drop.sc/replay/9088613
https://i.imgur.com/8PZ8zUH.png
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On November 28 2018 07:12 LHK wrote:Was playing an unranked TvT last night. Got bored so watched the replay from his perspective today. At 3:10 in the replay, viewing the gam from brikc's perspective with his camera enabled, you can clearly see a huge zoom-out that lets him see the entire map at one time. I've never seen a hack like this. Can someone please confirm this on their end and it's not a gigantic bug on my end? Thanks! (This isn't some "suspicious play" or anything. This is clearly evident in the replay. I've provided an imgur link to show his vision during these moments. What the hell?) https://drop.sc/replay/9088613https://i.imgur.com/8PZ8zUH.png
It definitely looks like some zoom hack. I thought maybe it was a bug but you can see him abusing the vision it grants without actually snapping to nearby buildings / units... or maybe I'm wrong!
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Yeah him abusing the units with no snap was the nail in the coffin for me. I thought maybe my replay was just bugged or something right at first, but he's microing stuff he shouldn't be able to see.
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On November 28 2018 09:05 cmob wrote:Show nested quote +On November 28 2018 07:12 LHK wrote:Was playing an unranked TvT last night. Got bored so watched the replay from his perspective today. At 3:10 in the replay, viewing the gam from brikc's perspective with his camera enabled, you can clearly see a huge zoom-out that lets him see the entire map at one time. I've never seen a hack like this. Can someone please confirm this on their end and it's not a gigantic bug on my end? Thanks! (This isn't some "suspicious play" or anything. This is clearly evident in the replay. I've provided an imgur link to show his vision during these moments. What the hell?) https://drop.sc/replay/9088613https://i.imgur.com/8PZ8zUH.png It definitely looks like some zoom hack. I thought maybe it was a bug but you can see him abusing the vision it grants without actually snapping to nearby buildings / units... or maybe I'm wrong!
Its called the "Ollie" hack
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