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overlord speed was much needed for efficient scouting early game
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On May 10 2012 18:07 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 18:03 Dralin wrote:On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:
Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? only trust statistics you faked yourself ... ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/898Ww.png) Come again?
LOL
Statistics like that are like saying a US server Grandmaster is the same as a Korean Grandmaster.
These statistics include essentially 100% of all games played in the TLPD. The game is balanced for the Highest Level (Code S and Code A in GSL). Most Code S players don't even participate in those other minor tournaments.
Anyone can search for the TvP results very easily on GOMtv's own website.
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On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 10 2012 17:44 Orracle wrote:On May 10 2012 17:43 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. Not even close, Terran > Zerg > Protoss right now. Terran can transition out of anything and be fine, Zerg becomes very deadly if not dealt with early, and Protoss is unstoppable on three base as well as has some nice two base timings. Would you mind posting some statistics? Korea results last month showed Terran behind, not to mention recent GSLs. GSLs??? Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse... Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard. I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud. Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 17:52 NHY wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:
But they're not the best race overall Yeah, sure. April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate. GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8. If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. 2012 stats: TvP: 135-122 (52.5%) TvZ: 97-85 (53.3%) PvZ: 89-64 (58.2%) Overall(non-mirrors): T: 232-207 (52.8%) P: 211-199 (51.5%) Z: 149-186 (44.5%) Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months?
And I'm positive that you're an idiot. Thanks to liquipedia (you obviously haven't checked it, but hey, you're an idiot after all), it's not hard to see Terran has by FAR had the most representation in the Ro8, Ro4, Finals, and the most Championships in GSL history. Leave the baseless comments to media outlets like Faux News.
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The overlord speed buff might be good, the rest of the changes is just unnecessary in my opinion.
The rangebuff for the queens is the most random change I have ever seen and it will make reactor hellion openings weaker.
I am a sad panda. 
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On May 10 2012 18:10 GoonFFS wrote:
FINALLY a buff for the obs
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LOLOL obs cost ?
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Normally zealot could give the queen a hard time, now 1 zealot is not enough.
This changes not only T v Z but also P v Z.
Next to that, scouting with scv is getting more difficult, but then you could just use SCAN right?? :-)
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On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:
I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud.
Completely wrong bud.
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On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:
Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse...
Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard.
5 GSLs in a row where a Terran was guaranteed in the finals? What? Beyond two GSLs, the RO8 generally consisted of Protoss having AT LEAST an equal number of players of any other race in the finals. Guess what happened when Terran was dominating? Protoss got buffed, Terran got nerfed. We want the same thing to happen.
http://wiki.teamliquid.net/starcraft2/2011_2nd_Generation_Intel®_Core™_Global_StarCraft_II_League_March
Hell, random one I clicked on, and it had 3 Protoss there in the RO4.
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On May 10 2012 18:14 Rielle wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 18:07 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 18:03 Dralin wrote:On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:
Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? only trust statistics you faked yourself ... Come again? LOL Statistics like that are like saying a US server Grandmaster is the same as a Korean Grandmaster. These statistics include essentially 100% of all games played in the TLPD. The game is balanced for the Highest Level (Code S and Code A in GSL). Most Code S players don't even participate in those other minor tournaments. Anyone can search for the TvP results very easily on GOMtv's own website.
That only includes Korean results.
On May 10 2012 18:21 tomatriedes wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:
I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud.
Completely wrong bud.
Sorry it was they're tied for being the most represented race since after GSL 3.
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On May 10 2012 18:15 Zanzabarr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 10 2012 17:44 Orracle wrote:On May 10 2012 17:43 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. Not even close, Terran > Zerg > Protoss right now. Terran can transition out of anything and be fine, Zerg becomes very deadly if not dealt with early, and Protoss is unstoppable on three base as well as has some nice two base timings. Would you mind posting some statistics? Korea results last month showed Terran behind, not to mention recent GSLs. GSLs??? Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse... GSL results are not really based on balance that much. Much more on so many terrans in korea. And more good players playing terran. Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard. I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud. On May 10 2012 17:52 NHY wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:
But they're not the best race overall Yeah, sure. April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate. GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8. If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. 2012 stats: TvP: 135-122 (52.5%) TvZ: 97-85 (53.3%) PvZ: 89-64 (58.2%) Overall(non-mirrors): T: 232-207 (52.8%) P: 211-199 (51.5%) Z: 149-186 (44.5%) Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? And I'm positive that you're an idiot. Thanks to liquipedia (you obviously haven't checked it, but hey, you're an idiot after all), it's not hard to see Terran has by FAR had the most representation in the Ro8, Ro4, Finals, and the most Championships in GSL history. Leave the baseless comments to media outlets like Faux News.
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Why do Toss n Zerg keep getting buffs and Terran just stays the same? This is making me very angry
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On May 10 2012 18:21 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 18:21 tomatriedes wrote:On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:
I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud.
Completely wrong bud. Sorry it was they're tied for being the most represented race since after GSL 3.
LOL, you are worse than Fox news.
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On May 10 2012 18:15 Zanzabarr wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 10 2012 17:44 Orracle wrote:On May 10 2012 17:43 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. Not even close, Terran > Zerg > Protoss right now. Terran can transition out of anything and be fine, Zerg becomes very deadly if not dealt with early, and Protoss is unstoppable on three base as well as has some nice two base timings. Would you mind posting some statistics? Korea results last month showed Terran behind, not to mention recent GSLs. GSLs??? Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse... Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard. I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud. On May 10 2012 17:52 NHY wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:
But they're not the best race overall Yeah, sure. April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate. GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8. If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. 2012 stats: TvP: 135-122 (52.5%) TvZ: 97-85 (53.3%) PvZ: 89-64 (58.2%) Overall(non-mirrors): T: 232-207 (52.8%) P: 211-199 (51.5%) Z: 149-186 (44.5%) Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? And I'm positive that you're an idiot. Thanks to liquipedia (you obviously haven't checked it, but hey, you're an idiot after all), it's not hard to see Terran has by FAR had the most representation in the Ro8, Ro4, Finals, and the most Championships in GSL history. Leave the baseless comments to media outlets like Faux News.
Actually I meant post-Open era and they're tied with Terran so yeah.
Also this is knowledge that has been brought up before, because Protoss were QQing about Nani losing to cheese and hating on Mvp for ruining the "Protoss GSL". Then it was shown that since GSL January Protoss has led in the GSL 5 times in the Ro8, which is the same as Terran.
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On May 10 2012 18:25 Femari wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 18:15 Zanzabarr wrote:On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 10 2012 17:44 Orracle wrote:On May 10 2012 17:43 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. Not even close, Terran > Zerg > Protoss right now. Terran can transition out of anything and be fine, Zerg becomes very deadly if not dealt with early, and Protoss is unstoppable on three base as well as has some nice two base timings. Would you mind posting some statistics? Korea results last month showed Terran behind, not to mention recent GSLs. GSLs??? Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse... Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard. I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud. On May 10 2012 17:52 NHY wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:
But they're not the best race overall Yeah, sure. April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate. GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8. If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. 2012 stats: TvP: 135-122 (52.5%) TvZ: 97-85 (53.3%) PvZ: 89-64 (58.2%) Overall(non-mirrors): T: 232-207 (52.8%) P: 211-199 (51.5%) Z: 149-186 (44.5%) Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? And I'm positive that you're an idiot. Thanks to liquipedia (you obviously haven't checked it, but hey, you're an idiot after all), it's not hard to see Terran has by FAR had the most representation in the Ro8, Ro4, Finals, and the most Championships in GSL history. Leave the baseless comments to media outlets like Faux News. Actually I meant post-Open era and they're tied with Terran so yeah. Also this is knowledge that has been brought up before, because Protoss were QQing about Nani losing to cheese and hating on Mvp for ruining the "Protoss GSL". Then it was shown that since GSL January Protoss has led in the GSL 5 times in the Ro8, which is the same as Terran.
Yeah, I was never convinced this was important for anything as current balance is more important, but I already posted the count myself in another thread and it's tied indeed.
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On May 10 2012 18:28 Ghanburighan wrote:Show nested quote +On May 10 2012 18:25 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 18:15 Zanzabarr wrote:On May 10 2012 17:55 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:49 rEalGuapo wrote:On May 10 2012 17:44 Orracle wrote:On May 10 2012 17:43 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:
If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. Not even close, Terran > Zerg > Protoss right now. Terran can transition out of anything and be fine, Zerg becomes very deadly if not dealt with early, and Protoss is unstoppable on three base as well as has some nice two base timings. Would you mind posting some statistics? Korea results last month showed Terran behind, not to mention recent GSLs. GSLs??? Terran is by far the most played race in Code S then Zerg then Protoss, just because THIS IS THE FIRST GSL EVER that has a guaranteed Protoss in the finals doesn't make them OP. How about those 5 GSLs in a row where there was a guaranateed Terran in the finals? That was because of pure skill ofcourse... Just because Protoss do not complain about imbalance that much should not automatically make them the target of the other races... This is pissing me off so hard. I'm pretty sure Protoss is the most represented Ro8 race in GSL history bud. On May 10 2012 17:52 NHY wrote:On May 10 2012 17:29 Femari wrote:On May 10 2012 17:26 Corgi Apocalypse wrote:On May 10 2012 17:15 Femari wrote:
But they're not the best race overall Yeah, sure. April winrates for Korea, Terran worst winrate of all 3 races. Protoss best winrate. GSL, 3 Protoss in the Ro4, 5 in Ro8. If you honestly think Protoss isn't the best race right now you are smoking really good shit. 2012 stats: TvP: 135-122 (52.5%) TvZ: 97-85 (53.3%) PvZ: 89-64 (58.2%) Overall(non-mirrors): T: 232-207 (52.8%) P: 211-199 (51.5%) Z: 149-186 (44.5%) Why are you bringing up stats that include irrelevant months? And I'm positive that you're an idiot. Thanks to liquipedia (you obviously haven't checked it, but hey, you're an idiot after all), it's not hard to see Terran has by FAR had the most representation in the Ro8, Ro4, Finals, and the most Championships in GSL history. Leave the baseless comments to media outlets like Faux News. Actually I meant post-Open era and they're tied with Terran so yeah. Also this is knowledge that has been brought up before, because Protoss were QQing about Nani losing to cheese and hating on Mvp for ruining the "Protoss GSL". Then it was shown that since GSL January Protoss has led in the GSL 5 times in the Ro8, which is the same as Terran. Yeah, I was never convinced this was important for anything as current balance is more important, but I already posted the count myself in another thread and it's tied indeed.
Yeah I got it from you haha.
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ridicolous changes.
give zerg more maphack plz
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I'm so overlord scouting now 
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Korean Terrans are just more and better than Zergs and Protosses,there are like 5 top korean zergs and 15 terrans,it doesn't mean Terran is OP.
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What a farce..just cause zerg cant use their changelings properly. any reason to get cloaked banshee outside of mirror ever again?
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EPT
