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SKDN
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden243 Posts
June 12 2012 13:08 GMT
#301
On May 29 2012 22:22 Nekovivie wrote:
Please stop making up facts on the spot, and refer to your research (assuming you do some). There are many examples of when you do this but the one that I recall today was claiming Jinro wasn't known for his Macro in the GSL. Not going to argue that here but everyone knows it's wrong.

Also please try to be more analytical rather than critical. Don't say someone should do this, or shouldn't do that. Talk about why they have done that, and what it means in the bigger picture. We are interested in the game being played, not how the game should be played.

Just my views, don't hate.

pretty much spot on how i think
sbroon
Profile Joined November 2011
United Kingdom23 Posts
June 12 2012 13:19 GMT
#302
Wolf is an excellent caster. Great knowledge, great speaker, and seems to gel well with anyone else he casts with.

Everyone makes the odd mistakes but I think a lot of people here are being overly picky over minor details. Also remember when he is being "overly critical" he is giving his own opinion. You don't necessarily have to agree but it's impossible to remain 100% positive all of the time. To me part of being a good caster is giving that opinion, which is in this case a lot more informed than the vast majority of viewers.
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Ignorant prodigy
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States385 Posts
June 12 2012 13:58 GMT
#303
wolf and doa were a great combo.. wolf and khaldor.. meh.. I like wolf.. I’ll leave it at that..
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NexCa
Profile Joined March 2011
Germany954 Posts
June 12 2012 14:02 GMT
#304
Wolf is an Excellent Caster in my Eyes, easily 1000 times better than Moletrap, and fopr the most parts, he knows what he's talking about
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erazerr
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia86 Posts
June 12 2012 14:05 GMT
#305
Amazing casting tonight Wolf, Solo casting often is lame but you made it work! good stuff.
Flanlord
Profile Joined August 2010
265 Posts
June 12 2012 14:29 GMT
#306
I think the most important thing about Wolf is that he is improving. It is hard to ask for more than that.

A month or two ago, I couldn't stand him, and he will still do or say things that bother me from time to time, but he is, and has been doing them far less frequently.

The past two nights he's been doing a solo cast, and sure he called it Code A a couple of times, he said the wrong player names a couple of times, he missed some calls, but having attempted (albeit poorly) casting before, I totally get that, particularly when you're casting to a multi-national audience.

We talk about the pressures players are under all the time, and people seem more than happy to ignore the pressures the casters are under. I do not believe that I could, given the time and opportunity Wolf has had, done a better job casting solo Code S the way Wolf has.

I think my biggest pet peeve with Wolf in the past was the scatter-gun predictions of just about every possibility, and the smug 'just as I said he would' that followed. His game knowledge, as well as his player knowledge, have improved though, and he's narrowed it down a lot. He'll make one prediction, and stick with it. Often times now, it is accurate, and if it isn't he'll explain why he was wrong.

The only thing I could even hope to suggest at this point would be to try to be more positive. He's good about the all-important stress throw-away for when a player messes up, but I'd love to see more focus on the player who is doing well when one isn't. (Rather than 'Oh, he really messed those storms up.' something more like '_____ is playing so well tonight, those storms had to do more damage than that.')


Also - Why you spam my twitter inbox with Korean? You live and work in Korea as an English speaker, can we at least get your work-related tweets in English? (Or a double-tweet, at least one of which in English?)

Not related to Wolf specifically - Can you get them to change the 'Learn Korean' bits into something more useful for perspective visitors? If I show up in Korea and all I know is some SC units at random, I'm not going to get far. It isn't really learning Korean, so much as understanding when the Korean casters are shouting a little better.
You know, stuff like...
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Clarity_nl
Profile Joined November 2011
Netherlands6826 Posts
June 12 2012 14:32 GMT
#307
The last two days of lone wolf in GSL have been amazing, that is all.
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zezamer
Profile Joined March 2011
Finland5701 Posts
June 12 2012 14:32 GMT
#308
On June 12 2012 23:05 erazerr wrote:
Amazing casting tonight Wolf, Solo casting often is lame but you made it work! good stuff.

this
Andre
Profile Blog Joined August 2009
Slovenia3523 Posts
June 12 2012 14:39 GMT
#309
Again this. "master caster shouldn't make comments about player's moves/strats/whatever!"

The thing is you can be a diamond who has good game knowledge and criticize pros because outside the game as a spectator you have it easy, you're not under pressure..you're analyzing the game at a slow pace. Dunno why this is so hard to grasp, sure we're baffled many times or surprised by certain things pros do but not much. And most of the time they do mistakes that lower skilled players would do as well, some criticism from the caster's side isn't that bad.

Wolf is doing a great job! Especially like him solo, good flow.
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Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
June 12 2012 14:39 GMT
#310
On June 12 2012 23:32 zezamer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 12 2012 23:05 erazerr wrote:
Amazing casting tonight Wolf, Solo casting often is lame but you made it work! good stuff.

this


This again, cannot emphasize it enough!
Being alone casting during all this time must be really difficult and tiring but you do it so well I sometime actually think you're doing it with someone else (not kidding here, several times I was like "that's not Wolf's voice, he's talking to someone right?").
ExO_
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
United States2316 Posts
June 12 2012 14:43 GMT
#311
The only thing that bugs me about wolf is that he's always seemed to treat the foreigners with disdain almost. Like the way he was referring to Naniwa's play tonight, particularly vs theSTC: "He backstabbed his teammate". I guess all casters are guilty of this, but Wolf seems to downplay the play of foreigners while elevating the play of just about everybody else. I find it frustrating when I don't think its accurate.
Account252508
Profile Joined February 2012
3454 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-06-12 14:45:17
June 12 2012 14:44 GMT
#312
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beets
Profile Joined January 2011
Australia6 Posts
June 12 2012 15:03 GMT
#313
Loved the solo casting of code s, keep up the great work man!
Sein
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1811 Posts
June 12 2012 15:11 GMT
#314
On June 12 2012 23:43 ExO_ wrote:
The only thing that bugs me about wolf is that he's always seemed to treat the foreigners with disdain almost. Like the way he was referring to Naniwa's play tonight, particularly vs theSTC: "He backstabbed his teammate". I guess all casters are guilty of this, but Wolf seems to downplay the play of foreigners while elevating the play of just about everybody else. I find it frustrating when I don't think its accurate.


That is very much incorrect. He is extremely critical (or used to be at least) of pretty much everyone. You'll see in this thread that many people have expressed that Wolf is overly critical. For example, he was trashing Polt a few weeks ago.

For the past few times I've heard him casting though, he seemed to be better. I don't know if I caught his casting at a good time or he has actually listened to people's feedback and improved. I certainly hope it's the latter case.
JinThevalley
Profile Joined June 2012
Norway6 Posts
June 12 2012 15:24 GMT
#315
I enjoy wolf casting alone!
ZergX
Profile Joined October 2010
France436 Posts
June 12 2012 15:25 GMT
#316
Heyyyy Yess ! I was about to post on Wolf's fan club, but that thread is just what i was looking for.

I just wanted to share my opinion saying that Wolf did an amazing job at solo casting. Very entertaining time watching the GSL. I Had a lot of fun with all the commentaries. I can feel he is humble, smart and funny. Very good job sir. Keep up with the good stuff !
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Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 12 2012 15:27 GMT
#317
somehow he seems a bit less critical to me when he is solo casting :D might just be a wrong impression but i kind of like they way he casts if he is solo casting. Maybe khaldor isnt the best casting partner for him? He seemed so much better casting solo/with artosis.
AngryFarmer
Profile Joined June 2011
United States560 Posts
June 12 2012 15:31 GMT
#318
On June 13 2012 00:27 Bam Lee wrote:
somehow he seems a bit less critical to me when he is solo casting :D might just be a wrong impression but i kind of like they way he casts if he is solo casting. Maybe khaldor isnt the best casting partner for him? He seemed so much better casting solo/with artosis.


I feel like it's cause he has more to talk about. He needs to do analysis at the same time as play by play so he tones his analysis down a bit and starts doing more play by play. I personally feel like Lone Wolf is much better than Wolf with others. He doesn't have a boring voice, has good knowledge, aids us in following the game and only makes a few mistakes. His mistakes are minor but could be changed. But over all he does a really good job alone. There is no real awkwardness when listening to Lone Wolf. I also think he jokes slightly less becuase there's nobody to joke with. So he makes jokes with the audience rather than his co-caster. Sometimes his co-caster doesn't get it and things become awkward.
Bam Lee
Profile Joined June 2012
2336 Posts
June 12 2012 15:33 GMT
#319
On June 13 2012 00:31 AngryFarmer wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 13 2012 00:27 Bam Lee wrote:
somehow he seems a bit less critical to me when he is solo casting :D might just be a wrong impression but i kind of like they way he casts if he is solo casting. Maybe khaldor isnt the best casting partner for him? He seemed so much better casting solo/with artosis.


I feel like it's cause he has more to talk about. He needs to do analysis at the same time as play by play so he tones his analysis down a bit and starts doing more play by play. I personally feel like Lone Wolf is much better than Wolf with others. He doesn't have a boring voice, has good knowledge, aids us in following the game and only makes a few mistakes. His mistakes are minor but could be changed. But over all he does a really good job alone. There is no real awkwardness when listening to Lone Wolf. I also think he jokes slightly less becuase there's nobody to joke with. So he makes jokes with the audience rather than his co-caster. Sometimes his co-caster doesn't get it and things become awkward.


I have to admit though that this awkwardness was quite funny sometimes
Emix_Squall
Profile Joined February 2012
France705 Posts
June 12 2012 15:35 GMT
#320
On June 13 2012 00:27 Bam Lee wrote:
somehow he seems a bit less critical to me when he is solo casting :D might just be a wrong impression but i kind of like they way he casts if he is solo casting. Maybe khaldor isnt the best casting partner for him? He seemed so much better casting solo/with artosis.


It's also probably easier to be critical when you're 2 casters. Both make their own analysis of what they see and confront them as they are casting the game.
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