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On May 08 2012 15:51 Cassel_Castle wrote:
Hey OP you should use my Bronze-Diamond estimations (based on average tier in each league)
GM +1715
Masters +1285
Diamond +946
Platinum +733
Gold +552
Silver +339
Bronze +0 of course
Why is bronce average tier 0 ? lower bound is 0 .
How did you calculate this? whatever it is, it gives good data.
have me and my enemys on 1 row for 10 games!!!
will use it for the unknown data : better than nothing
On May 08 2012 18:06 C[h]ili wrote:I was interested in the distribution of MMR, so I did the following graph showing Master league MMR distribution over players + Show Spoiler +Only master vs master games have been used. Per game, the data set shows two MMR ratings and two identifiers and I use those as seperate data points. In case an identifier has more than one entry, I take the average MMR of that identifier. Note that I do not differentiate between servers, something potentially hazardous. The fact that I did not use Diamond vs Master data may have an impact on the distribution, however, I think these effects are limited because I average over all games per player. I think your project could benefit from a more detailed description of how the data entries are defined. Some questions that came to my mind: Which MMR is player MMR, which opponent MMR? Does every player have a unique identifier? And so on. P.S.: Alright, now I know that I am a low Master 
great pic!
So where am i at the moment?
Ah yes... in silver! because i have to debug my program Oo
you working with the 0.9 data. Since 1.0 the datafile changed.
I will update the 0.9 data when most people switched and add the titles.
After that i will publish cleaner 1.0 data.
On May 08 2012 19:14 SEA KarMa wrote:this is a great tool 
Thx. on SEA you should enable the new "wait 1 min" option!
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On May 08 2012 21:09 skeldark wrote:
NEW version 1.2.
Should fix the activate bug.
You still have to wait a while.
Sorry but sc2gears acts strange sometimes, take a while to find out what he dont like on my plugin because he crashed without error message.
Also settings are now outsite of the puluginmanager in the program.
works great! :D
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Thx. on SEA you should enable the new "wait 1 min" option!
Could you parse the user's profile link? Then this would be automatic, which is a major boon. Eg, my profile link is:
http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/282577/1/Hairy/
If settings are required for this to function, they should either be completely automatic, or the user needs to go through some kind 'installation' steps to ensure that they go through the necessary configuration.
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On May 08 2012 22:39 Hairy wrote:Could you parse the user's profile link? Then this would be automatic, which is a major boon. Eg, my profile link is: http:// eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/282577/1/Hairy/ If settings are required for this to function, they should either be completely automatic, or the user needs to go through some kind 'installation' steps to ensure that they go through the necessary configuration.
i parse this allready.
The sea think is a workaround. Sea server is fucked up. Waiting 1 min will only help in some cases!
If i make what you suggest i act like i could fix this but i cant.
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Just tried it out for the first time, didn't work
+ Show Spoiler +-------------------------------------------------- Pretrigger Start Webgrabber: Preplayer 1 failed! Pretrigger END! -------------------------------------------------- Posttrigger Start calc_b : under master rule calc_mmr: both alg. failed! PREPLAYER 1: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab data changepoints:ERROR2 playername: - id: 0 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Adler Dixie gamedate: ERROR3 mapname: ERROR2 totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 109 bonus: 0 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND PREPLAYER 2: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab site 1! playername: - id: 0 playerlink: server: EU league: ERROR division_name: ERROR gamedate: ERROR mapname: ERROR totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: -9999 Looses: -9999 points: -9999 bonus: -9999 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND 1a -9999 2a -9999 1b -11 2b -9999 --- GAMESTART --- VALID: false ERROR: Both players invalid TIME: 1336486648461 Player1_won false --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Mandalore id: 212304 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Vulture Dixie gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 98 bonus: 292 change_points: -11 adjusted_points: 37 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Ringbind id: 2391766 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2391766/1/Ringbind/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Zer’atai Kappa gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 68 Looses: -9999 points: 439 bonus: 149 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: 235 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: 80 PLAYEREND --- GAMEEND --- End posttrigger
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On May 08 2012 01:53 Zeon0 wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 00:36 Yello wrote:On May 08 2012 00:26 Zeon0 wrote:
only new games. it makes a graph with all games you played after you installed it
now that i know my mmr, i want to know how high it is compared to other ~~ How about you just post your mmr and your league and I do the same and hopefully some others as well so that we can make a list? Gonna play some games now and then come back to post my MMR 284 master
sorry for not posting yesterday, had to make that tool work and then I had no more time for SC2 :/
I checked it now and my MMR is at around 480.
I am in Masters league, probably high master (whatever that's supposed to say xD)
Sometimes playing against GM players, mostly against the top 8 of different divisions, sometimes against the top 25.
I hope that helped you a bit and that some other guys will post their MMRs as well
Also I would really like to see where the points (or areas) are at which you get promoted/demoted.
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On May 08 2012 23:48 Yello wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 01:53 Zeon0 wrote:On May 08 2012 00:36 Yello wrote:On May 08 2012 00:26 Zeon0 wrote:
only new games. it makes a graph with all games you played after you installed it
now that i know my mmr, i want to know how high it is compared to other ~~ How about you just post your mmr and your league and I do the same and hopefully some others as well so that we can make a list? Gonna play some games now and then come back to post my MMR 284 master sorry for not posting yesterday, had to make that tool work and then I had no more time for SC2 :/ I checked it now and my MMR is at around 480. I am in Masters league, probably high master (whatever that's supposed to say xD) Sometimes playing against GM players, mostly against the top 8 of different divisions, sometimes against the top 25. I hope that helped you a bit and that some other guys will post their MMRs as well Also I would really like to see where the points (or areas) are at which you get promoted/demoted.
On May 08 2012 18:06 C[h]ili wrote:![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/img/mastermmrnpi7p.png)
under data in op you see all the mmr .
All the gamedata this tool collects is uploaded if the user agree and published here
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On May 08 2012 23:54 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:48 Yello wrote:On May 08 2012 01:53 Zeon0 wrote:On May 08 2012 00:36 Yello wrote:On May 08 2012 00:26 Zeon0 wrote:
only new games. it makes a graph with all games you played after you installed it
now that i know my mmr, i want to know how high it is compared to other ~~ How about you just post your mmr and your league and I do the same and hopefully some others as well so that we can make a list? Gonna play some games now and then come back to post my MMR 284 master sorry for not posting yesterday, had to make that tool work and then I had no more time for SC2 :/ I checked it now and my MMR is at around 480. I am in Masters league, probably high master (whatever that's supposed to say xD) Sometimes playing against GM players, mostly against the top 8 of different divisions, sometimes against the top 25. I hope that helped you a bit and that some other guys will post their MMRs as well Also I would really like to see where the points (or areas) are at which you get promoted/demoted. under data in op you see all the mmr . All the gamedata this tool collects is uploaded if the user agree and published here
Yes, but seeing that only shows me that there are master players with an MMR of 200 to 600. Can we then say that these are the valid points where you get promoted or demoted? Or to help us decide what is high and what is low masters?
I am still trying to work through the data and understand what is what and how it helps us.
Edit: a friend of mine won 2 games in a row and his MMR was dropping after both, is there an explanation for it? I actually don't really understand how the calculation process works, maybe I should work through that first :/
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On May 08 2012 23:20 Mandalore wrote:Just tried it out for the first time, didn't work + Show Spoiler +-------------------------------------------------- Pretrigger Start Webgrabber: Preplayer 1 failed! Pretrigger END! -------------------------------------------------- Posttrigger Start calc_b : under master rule calc_mmr: both alg. failed! PREPLAYER 1: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab data changepoints:ERROR2 playername: - id: 0 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Adler Dixie gamedate: ERROR3 mapname: ERROR2 totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 109 bonus: 0 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND PREPLAYER 2: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab site 1! playername: - id: 0 playerlink: server: EU league: ERROR division_name: ERROR gamedate: ERROR mapname: ERROR totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: -9999 Looses: -9999 points: -9999 bonus: -9999 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND 1a -9999 2a -9999 1b -11 2b -9999 --- GAMESTART --- VALID: false ERROR: Both players invalid TIME: 1336486648461 Player1_won false --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Mandalore id: 212304 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Vulture Dixie gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 98 bonus: 292 change_points: -11 adjusted_points: 37 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Ringbind id: 2391766 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2391766/1/Ringbind/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Zer’atai Kappa gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 68 Looses: -9999 points: 439 bonus: 149 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: 235 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: 80 PLAYEREND --- GAMEEND --- End posttrigger
Download 1.3
you had more than one problem in this dataset. I do severel methods to cross check but if the webserver give bad data i can not do anything. Some packets will be broken but it should not be much!
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@yello if you fall near 0 or under you get demoted soon
look at the graph it should be pretty clear whats high and low masters
200 - 600 is a big range... can it be that some packets are wrong or you played dia guys?
if you play 10-20 games you should have a good feeling for your avg mmr
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1.3 up
thats last patch for next days if not something goes terrible wrong
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On May 09 2012 00:06 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 08 2012 23:20 Mandalore wrote:Just tried it out for the first time, didn't work + Show Spoiler +-------------------------------------------------- Pretrigger Start Webgrabber: Preplayer 1 failed! Pretrigger END! -------------------------------------------------- Posttrigger Start calc_b : under master rule calc_mmr: both alg. failed! PREPLAYER 1: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab data changepoints:ERROR2 playername: - id: 0 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Adler Dixie gamedate: ERROR3 mapname: ERROR2 totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 109 bonus: 0 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND PREPLAYER 2: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab site 1! playername: - id: 0 playerlink: server: EU league: ERROR division_name: ERROR gamedate: ERROR mapname: ERROR totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: -9999 Looses: -9999 points: -9999 bonus: -9999 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND 1a -9999 2a -9999 1b -11 2b -9999 --- GAMESTART --- VALID: false ERROR: Both players invalid TIME: 1336486648461 Player1_won false --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Mandalore id: 212304 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Vulture Dixie gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 98 bonus: 292 change_points: -11 adjusted_points: 37 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Ringbind id: 2391766 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2391766/1/Ringbind/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Zer’atai Kappa gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 68 Looses: -9999 points: 439 bonus: 149 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: 235 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: 80 PLAYEREND --- GAMEEND --- End posttrigger Download 1.3 I would like to, but: This file is currently set to private.
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On May 09 2012 00:00 Yello wrote:
Edit: a friend of mine won 2 games in a row and his MMR was dropping after both, is there an explanation for it? I actually don't really understand how the calculation process works, maybe I should work through that first :/
The MMR value from a match is the MMR before playing the game. Did you take that into account? If you didn't then the first 'drop' was due to the game previous to the two wins, which may have been a loss.
Did you take into account that MMR values are all +-16 points? To be sure that MMR indeed drops after a win you need to see a drop of 32 points or higher in the MMR. It does happen very rarely (I know of one case so far), possibly due to opponent with very low game count and/or high sigma value.
If you're still sure your friend lost MMR after winning games please give me some info (either here or in PM) so that I could try to find his games in the data base. I need his bnet profile page (or name and server if you can't find it), league, amount of wins (and if Master/GM also losses) he had at the beginning of the games, and if possible opponent name and maps as well.
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On May 09 2012 00:25 Not_That wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 00:00 Yello wrote:
Edit: a friend of mine won 2 games in a row and his MMR was dropping after both, is there an explanation for it? I actually don't really understand how the calculation process works, maybe I should work through that first :/ The MMR value from a match is the MMR before playing the game. Did you take that into account? If you didn't then the first 'drop' was due to the game previous to the two wins, which may have been a loss. Did you take into account that MMR values are all +-16 points? To be sure that MMR indeed drops after a win you need to see a drop of 32 points or higher in the MMR. It does happen very rarely (I know of one case so far), possibly due to opponent with very low game count and/or high sigma value. If you're still sure your friend lost MMR after winning games please give me some info (either here or in PM) so that I could try to find his games in the data base. I need his bnet profile page (or name and server if you can't find it), league, amount of wins (and if Master/GM also losses) he had at the beginning of the games, and if possible opponent name and maps as well.
Ok, it was a drop of less then 32 points, that explains it. Thanks for the answer. I really have to start to read about how exactly the MMR is calculated before making stupid posts again :/
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On May 09 2012 00:22 Mandalore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 00:06 skeldark wrote:On May 08 2012 23:20 Mandalore wrote:Just tried it out for the first time, didn't work + Show Spoiler +-------------------------------------------------- Pretrigger Start Webgrabber: Preplayer 1 failed! Pretrigger END! -------------------------------------------------- Posttrigger Start calc_b : under master rule calc_mmr: both alg. failed! PREPLAYER 1: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab data changepoints:ERROR2 playername: - id: 0 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/de/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Adler Dixie gamedate: ERROR3 mapname: ERROR2 totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 109 bonus: 0 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND PREPLAYER 2: --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: ERROR: cant grab site 1! playername: - id: 0 playerlink: server: EU league: ERROR division_name: ERROR gamedate: ERROR mapname: ERROR totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: -9999 Looses: -9999 points: -9999 bonus: -9999 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: -9999 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND 1a -9999 2a -9999 1b -11 2b -9999 --- GAMESTART --- VALID: false ERROR: Both players invalid TIME: 1336486648461 Player1_won false --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Mandalore id: 212304 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/212304/1/Mandalore/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Vulture Dixie gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 4 Looses: -9999 points: 98 bonus: 292 change_points: -11 adjusted_points: 37 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: -9999 PLAYEREND --- PLAYERSTART VALID: false --- Error_Mes: playername: Ringbind id: 2391766 playerlink: http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2391766/1/Ringbind/server: EU league: diamond division_name: Zer’atai Kappa gamedate: 8/5/2012 mapname: Ohana LE totalbonuspool: 353 Wins: 68 Looses: -9999 points: 439 bonus: 149 change_points: -9999 adjusted_points: 235 offset: 0 offsetknown: 0 mmr: 80 PLAYEREND --- GAMEEND --- End posttrigger Download 1.3 I would like to, but: This file is currently set to private.
fixed ^^
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Is there anything specific to watch out for when installing a new version? I just deleted the old files (sc2gears not running), copied the new ones and restarted sc2gears. It says version 1.2 somehow and the settings button is disabled :/
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On May 09 2012 01:39 Mandalore wrote:
Is there anything specific to watch out for when installing a new version? I just deleted the old files (sc2gears not running), copied the new ones and restarted sc2gears. It says version 1.2 somehow and the settings button is disabled :/
Its say v 1.2 because i forgot to update the xml file.
Look at the version in the log.
The settings moved to the plugin because i dont want to use the build in settings any more.
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Alright, found it
Does it not work for below masters yet or do i have a bug?
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On May 09 2012 01:46 Mandalore wrote:Alright, found it Does it not work for below masters yet or do i have a bug?
click the magic button...
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![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/2nXJp.png)
i think we have it. offsets we are comming
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On May 09 2012 01:57 skeldark wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:46 Mandalore wrote:Alright, found it Does it not work for below masters yet or do i have a bug? click the magic button... Sorry, i don't get it :s
edit: nvm i think my one game that was logged got lost after i installed the newest version
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On May 09 2012 02:56 Mandalore wrote:Show nested quote +On May 09 2012 01:57 skeldark wrote:On May 09 2012 01:46 Mandalore wrote:Alright, found it Does it not work for below masters yet or do i have a bug? click the magic button... Sorry, i don't get it :s
disable known tiers... or just read the op ^^
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EPT![[image loading]](http://www.abload.de/image.php?img=mastermmrnpi7p.png)
