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Aunvilgod
Profile Joined December 2011
2653 Posts
April 24 2012 21:33 GMT
#141
With Day9 and Husky casting they will easily get enough viewers to get those 40k right back.
ilovegroov | Blizzards mapmaker(s?) suck ass | #1 Protoss hater
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 24 2012 21:34 GMT
#142
On April 25 2012 05:15 discomatt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:37 avilo wrote:
Another invite tourney for the same group of players....disappointed tournaments keep going this route. I don't know how e-sports is going to keep "getting bigger" when essentally the same 10-30 people are auto-invited to tourneys without having to "earn it."

On April 25 2012 03:02 RageBot wrote:
Why no qualifiers?


E-sports is currently about marketing yourself as a player/tournament more than it is actually getting in new blood and having people actually qualify for things. It's short sighted, but tournaments want immediate views. It is a bit frustrating for the 100's of players that would want to attempt to qualify for these things and then it's like, "oh here they go again, handing out invites not allowing anyone new to even have a chance to break in." Yeah...


Gather up 41k + expenses and do it your way.

These players have earned their way. It's not a popularity contest, but if advertisers are concerned, players that bring in more viewers are a big plus.

The 100's of players already have many tournaments with open invites to choose from.

It's their tournament. If they want to pick the players, they can. If you don't enjoy that, don't watch. The rest of us will enjoy a most likely competitive tournament with great casters and production value, and our half-full glasses.


If players are up to snuff they will "easily" qualify for the event, the fact is tournament organizers do not want to take the chance that some "no names" come up and defeat their viewer-drawing players. It's somewhat understandable money-wise, because you need views/revenue, but in the sense of expanding the scene-wise...? It's not at all good. It's been going on since the beta.



Sup
morbvs
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany358 Posts
April 24 2012 21:35 GMT
#143
Nice tournament... But there are just too many! Especially invitationals. I really consider stopping to watch SC2 events until HomeStory Cup V, just to be excited about the game again.
Common sense is the collection of prejudices acquired by age eighteen.
avilo
Profile Blog Joined November 2007
United States4100 Posts
April 24 2012 21:37 GMT
#144
On April 25 2012 05:04 IdrA wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 04:37 avilo wrote:
Another invite tourney for the same group of players....disappointed tournaments keep going this route. I don't know how e-sports is going to keep "getting bigger" when essentally the same 10-30 people are auto-invited to tourneys without having to "earn it."

On April 25 2012 03:02 RageBot wrote:
Why no qualifiers?


E-sports is currently about marketing yourself as a player/tournament more than it is actually getting in new blood and having people actually qualify for things. It's short sighted, but tournaments want immediate views. It is a bit frustrating for the 100's of players that would want to attempt to qualify for these things and then it's like, "oh here they go again, handing out invites not allowing anyone new to even have a chance to break in." Yeah...

ipl and mlg have open brackets. iem events all have qualifiers. most big online tournaments have at least a few qualifier spots.
just because you dont qualify doesnt mean there arent qualifiers.


I'm glad you took the time to respond to my post idra. I wasn't referring to myself, there's lots of other players as good as myself and better that would love the opportunity to break into these things.

It seems you felt the need to reply to me because of some insecurity that I was referring to you as one of the "unworthy" players that is always invited to these things. It may be somewhat of a legitimate fear for you though to not be handed out invites, because you would probably get knocked out in an open qualifer nowadays.
Sup
JackDT
Profile Joined January 2012
724 Posts
April 24 2012 21:40 GMT
#145
On the invitational thing -- doesn't really bother me. Though I would prefer a couple of spots up for grabs to anyone who can qualifier, through a Playhem or whatever.
Geos13
Profile Joined May 2011
437 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:42:50
April 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#146
This event sounds great and I know will watch but like others said I really wish it wasn't invitational only. Hopefully they pick some new up and coming talent too. I love the usual crew(Stephano,MC,MMA,DRG, etc...) but it is exciting following new players breaking onto the scene. Parting is a great choice as he is a talented new player still looking to prove himself with some tourney accomplishments. It would be nice to seem some foreigners but as others have said unless they are the absolute best they will likely be stomped.
Ravar
Profile Joined June 2011
United States447 Posts
April 24 2012 21:42 GMT
#147
On April 25 2012 06:25 ninjamyst wrote:
if they want alot of viewers, they need to invite MC, Idra, MKP, HerO, Naniwa, Nony, Thorzain, Grubby, TLO, Huk, MMA, and DRG.


Drop IdrA and Nony from that list and you'd have a sick line up.
Yeah bitch, magnets
DoNuTs84
Profile Joined February 2012
Denmark24 Posts
April 24 2012 21:44 GMT
#148
Hope they wont invite Polt so Stephano can win :p
JKM
Profile Joined November 2011
Denmark419 Posts
April 24 2012 21:46 GMT
#149
Cool. I've liked their previous events and it seems players participating also find these events rather nice! I hope they will give the chance to a number of up and coming players, eg. player such as Fuzzy, Scarlett, etc

However I'll also join the chorus of whiners.
1. Have 4 / 16 spots be given through qualifiers. Invite-only tournaments are kindda hard to get hyped about (often a result of whine 2a)
2. Please dont ...
a... invite popular but 'bad' players (no names mentioned).
b... invite the same lineup we see reaching top 16 of the most recent tournaments (Eg. MKP is at risk of over-exposure, with him participating in practically all large NA events these pasts months. Let MLG display him and find another stallion). I can see these players at MLG and IPL, events like this one should take care to display some up and coming talent.
3. I also dislike Rob Simpson's casting, even though I realize he's a good caster. My opinion might be a result of only hearing him cast alongside JP ( --> neither of whom can analyse pro-level strategies besides the most common go-to builds, resulting in somewhat superficial casting. Perhaps he'll do well when matched with day 9).

Anyway to not end the post in a negative tone, the LAN locations looks awesome as hell and I'll most certainly look forward to this event.
1338, one upping 1337
Jono7272
Profile Joined November 2010
United Kingdom6330 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:48:31
April 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#150
On April 25 2012 06:37 avilo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 05:04 IdrA wrote:
On April 25 2012 04:37 avilo wrote:
Another invite tourney for the same group of players....disappointed tournaments keep going this route. I don't know how e-sports is going to keep "getting bigger" when essentally the same 10-30 people are auto-invited to tourneys without having to "earn it."

On April 25 2012 03:02 RageBot wrote:
Why no qualifiers?


E-sports is currently about marketing yourself as a player/tournament more than it is actually getting in new blood and having people actually qualify for things. It's short sighted, but tournaments want immediate views. It is a bit frustrating for the 100's of players that would want to attempt to qualify for these things and then it's like, "oh here they go again, handing out invites not allowing anyone new to even have a chance to break in." Yeah...

ipl and mlg have open brackets. iem events all have qualifiers. most big online tournaments have at least a few qualifier spots.
just because you dont qualify doesnt mean there arent qualifiers.


I'm glad you took the time to respond to my post idra. I wasn't referring to myself, there's lots of other players as good as myself and better that would love the opportunity to break into these things.

It seems you felt the need to reply to me because of some insecurity that I was referring to you as one of the "unworthy" players that is always invited to these things. It may be somewhat of a legitimate fear for you though to not be handed out invites, because you would probably get knocked out in an open qualifer nowadays.

Ooooh. Good come back. *brb, getting popcorn*

Personally I would have gone with: just because you got invited, doesn't mean you deserve it!
Innovation | Flash | Mvp | Byun | TY
MK4512
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
Canada938 Posts
April 24 2012 21:47 GMT
#151
TBH, I wish that there were less invitationals and more qualifiers so we can grow the scene, but red bull is always fun to watch!
Chill: "Please let us know when you will be streaming yourself eating a hat so I can put it on the calendar. Thanks."
teaCher
Profile Joined May 2010
Canada521 Posts
April 24 2012 21:49 GMT
#152
Austin TexaS?
Follow me @H2O_teaCher ..... www.pmsclan.com
OrD_SC2
Profile Joined February 2012
United States247 Posts
April 24 2012 21:52 GMT
#153
Nice. Honestly the most exciting thing is Day[9] and Husky casting together. Its hard not to love the game listening to their enthusiasm.
Baldie disapproved of my last status, TT
NanoSC
Profile Joined October 2011
Norway31 Posts
April 24 2012 21:54 GMT
#154
Can never get enough of them tournaments. Red Bull LAN was awesome, let's hope they keep up the good work with this one.
- Because I can.
Azarkon
Profile Joined January 2010
United States21060 Posts
April 24 2012 21:54 GMT
#155
On April 25 2012 06:00 Kaesebrot wrote:
Remember Dreamhack Valencia was also a Invitational and it was one of the best events last year. I think Invitationals are great if they pick the right players. If they don't pick like MLG does, it will be an awesome event.


Invitationals are great for viewers, not so great for semi-pros who want in on the tournament.
zedi
Profile Joined October 2010
165 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-24 21:57:39
April 24 2012 21:57 GMT
#156
On April 25 2012 06:42 Ravar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:25 ninjamyst wrote:
if they want alot of viewers, they need to invite MC, Idra, MKP, HerO, Naniwa, Nony, Thorzain, Grubby, TLO, Huk, MMA, and DRG.


Drop IdrA and Nony from that list and you'd have a sick line up.


By what standards is dropping IdrA and leaving Grubby and TLO a sick line up choice?
LovE-
Profile Blog Joined September 2010
United States1963 Posts
April 24 2012 21:58 GMT
#157
Awesome! Although I don't know if I'll be able to afford the trip out to this one
LovE.311 (NA) || @LovE_Sc2
nam nam
Profile Joined June 2010
Sweden4672 Posts
April 24 2012 21:59 GMT
#158
On April 25 2012 06:54 Azarkon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2012 06:00 Kaesebrot wrote:
Remember Dreamhack Valencia was also a Invitational and it was one of the best events last year. I think Invitationals are great if they pick the right players. If they don't pick like MLG does, it will be an awesome event.


Invitationals are great for viewers, not so great for semi-pros who want in on the tournament.

Generally you are correct but it can be bad for the viewers that are fans of specific players.
Stenbocken
Profile Joined April 2012
Sweden23 Posts
April 24 2012 22:03 GMT
#159
I would prefer if at least some spot was up for grabs in a qualifer but I can not complain, they will be delivering an awesome event to us for free.
Jongl0
Profile Joined June 2011
631 Posts
April 24 2012 22:06 GMT
#160
Looks really good, been waiting for Red Bull to do something like this.
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