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On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett 
I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers.
I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female
otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted.
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On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted.
I agree. Imo it gets ridiculous that it's considered offensive to not want to address her as a "she".
It's ok to be a transgender, it's ok if you and other people perceive that you're now of another gender than what you physically are / were, but it's not ok to pitchfork people who think otherwise.
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On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted.
But the world doesn't work based on what you believe.
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On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted.
Great that you don't agree with this, however I would kindly ask you to keep this debate out of the thread.
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On April 07 2012 19:31 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted. I agree. Imo it gets ridiculous that it's considered offensive to not want to address her as a "she". It's ok to be a transgender, it's ok if you and other people perceive that you're now of another gender than what you physically are / were, but it's not ok to pitchfork people who think otherwise.
It's called being respectful of others. Or do people not learn that growing up these days?
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On April 07 2012 19:31 S_SienZ wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted. I agree. Imo it gets ridiculous that it's considered offensive to not want to address her as a "she". It's ok to be a transgender, it's ok if you and other people perceive that you're now of another gender than what you physically are / were, but it's not ok to pitchfork people who think otherwise.
It's offensive, because she isn't a he, she is a she. It is as offensive as calling a she who has some strong male features a 'he'. Here is the rub: your gender is not your sex. Most of the time, gender and sex coincide, i.e. someone with the male sex has the male gender. However; there are people who have a certain sex (=biological features) but have a different gender (=how they psychologically 'are'). Apparently, Scarlett finds herself to be a she; that means her gender is a 'she'. Gender is, socially and psychologically, way more important than sex. It is just polite to respect her psychological innerself.Obviously, nobody can make you calling her a 'she'. But do you really want to be that guy?
Maybe she even is a she sex-wise. But that is kind of irrelevant here.)
Edit: sorry Plexa. Saw your post after I posted this.
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Impressive run though the tournament! I hope she gets picked up by a team.
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On April 07 2012 19:04 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) LoL! I dunno man. What i really want to know is why does she put it out there. She must be craving the attention or something (as most women do). With that said it must be a woman! But yeah her run is actually really damn impressive. I bet she will be on quantic by next week lol.
Seems to me like just a dumb statement and / or a bad joke...
And it's obvious that she puts it out there when people were already questioning gender when her interview first popped up.
It's something the community hasen't dealt with alot yet, so OFCOURSE there is going to be some commotion.
That said, what is more impressive is her results. Even if the transgender thing wasent an issue for some people here, the results are still pretty amazing. (beating people who have been training on teams makes you wonder what they have been doing. Maybe they underestimated her, but we have yet to see the replays...)
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On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted.
Boys and girls have diffrent kind of brains if she was borned to male body with female brains, she would be she just like you would be rooster if you would have rooster's brains
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On April 07 2012 19:37 AdrianHealey wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 19:31 S_SienZ wrote:On April 07 2012 19:26 Champi wrote:On April 07 2012 17:55 Joan_of_Arc wrote:On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) Being Transgender does not necessarily mean she has one or the other set of physical sexual traits. She may have gone through reassignment surgery, or may not. Whether or not she has one or the other doesn't matter. Mentally, she is female, and so she is. That's all that matters, and all that should matter. Also, good luck, Scarlett I don't necessarily agree with this, for you to say that she is what she believes she is in her mind is wrong imo, for example, if i believe i am a rooster, that would make me a crazy person because I obviously dont have a beak or feathers. I'm not saying she's crazy because she obviously doesnt believe she is a different species, merely a different sex, but my point still stands in the fact that i believe u need to be BOTH physcially AND mentally a female to be a female otherwise she is a transgender, to which she has admitted. I agree. Imo it gets ridiculous that it's considered offensive to not want to address her as a "she". It's ok to be a transgender, it's ok if you and other people perceive that you're now of another gender than what you physically are / were, but it's not ok to pitchfork people who think otherwise. It's offensive, because she isn't a he, she is a she. It is as offensive as calling a she who has some strong male features a 'he'. Here is the rub: your gender is not your sex. Most of the time, gender and sex coincide, i.e. someone with the male sex has the male gender. However; there are people who have a certain sex (=biological features) but have a different gender (=how they psychologically 'are'). Apparently, Scarlett finds herself to be a she; that means her gender is a 'she'. Gender is, socially and psychologically, way more important than sex. It is just polite to respect her psychological innerself.Obviously, nobody can make you calling her a 'she'. But do you really want to be that guy? Maybe she even is a she sex-wise. But that is kind of irrelevant here.) Edit: sorry Plexa. Saw your post after I posted this.
Last post on the subject for some clarification purposes since Plexa has spoken.
Personally I don't think calling Scarlett a "he" is necessarily right either, which was why my post was more concerned with the negative (people who just can't bring themselves to sincerely address as "she") rather than people who positively want to address a mtf as he (which is admittedly, probably more rude).
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Awesome interviews! I hope she gets picked up by a big team soon so they can start to foster this enormous potential. She's got a new fan in me.
Just as a side note (which is going to be longer than the main note...), it's interesting to see the bi-polar nature of the community. We burn down a member of our community for "racism", then de-rail every discussion about her results to her sexual orientation. You argue we want to appear as a legitimate scene for newcomers (WHAT IF A NEWCOMER SAW ORB SAYING THE N WORD OMG) but bring these crazy irrelevant details into an interview thread.
tl dr; Scarlett fighting! Leave irrelevant details out of it.
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Impressive result from someone making their first real appearance. The foreign scene needs that kind of new blood if it wants to stay competive, so the best of luck to her in the future.
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On April 07 2012 15:58 ShynZ wrote:
i always see this dude with barcode in korean stream. i wonder if that is her
There's like 3 barcode nicks high on kr server. One of them was byun, one some zerg, other one don't know. They're probably team accounts anyway.
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guess im gonna get banned for this but reminds me of
bender in the Olympics
User was temp banned for this post.
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On April 07 2012 20:09 skyflyfish wrote:
guess im gonna get banned for this but reminds me of
bender in the Olympics
Martyring is the quickest way to get banned.
In any case, maybe that analogy made sense if there were separate male/female leagues in SC2 or something, or if males had any kind of advantage over females physically, which they don't in this space. The only reason we don't see any females owning it up in SC2 is that there aren't any playing as much, or as hard, or in houses, and all that jazz that makes a top progamer.
I can't see how that analogy would serve any purpose other than trying to upset people, seeming as it's completely unrelated.
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Transgender, transsexual, male or female... why does it matter? There is no need to debate this in any way, let people be who they are and just leave it at that.
She did a very impressive run through this IPL4 and I'm looking forward to seeing more of her.
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I am in love with her style (in the interview). <3
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On April 07 2012 19:04 ReachTheSky wrote:Show nested quote +On April 07 2012 17:47 Voltaire wrote:
Is this transgender thing a joke or does Scarlett really have a penis? (I don't know how else to phrase it since apparently there are people with penises who call themselves women now) LoL! I dunno man. What i really want to know is why does she put it out there. She must be craving the attention or something (as most women do). With that said it must be a woman! But yeah her run is actually really damn impressive. I bet she will be on quantic by next week lol.
Maybe she had to say it loud since the TL interview thread and reddit were full with shitty comments about gender, and it was getting sad to read HELLA FAST.
Now, no controversy, it's ok. It's better like that. Amazing performance at IPL for an unknown, too.
Teams, what are you waiting for, go, go, go !
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Well, she is most certainly putting up impressive results so far, seeing as she defeated a lot of decent players and took a game of Oz, why haven't i heard of her before?
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