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Forgottenfrog
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
United States1268 Posts
March 13 2012 04:43 GMT
#441
I hope Liquid` picks up Taeja. As for now TL only has Jinro holding it down as terran on the roster. Liquid`Taeja !
fox77
Profile Joined December 2011
Canada95 Posts
March 13 2012 04:46 GMT
#442
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote:
whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month?

Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example


I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot?

Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less.
holy_war
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United States3590 Posts
March 13 2012 04:52 GMT
#443
On March 13 2012 13:46 fox77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote:
whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month?

Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example


I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot?

Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less.


IdrA's salary isn't rumored to be that high. I think 50-60k was the estimate that someone in the know threw out. HuK probably does make close to 100k though.
canikizu
Profile Joined September 2010
4860 Posts
March 13 2012 04:53 GMT
#444
On March 13 2012 13:46 fox77 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote:
whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month?

Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example


I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot?

Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less.

That's the beauty of picking up exotic players, you have better players for less. It happens in other sports too.
hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
March 13 2012 05:00 GMT
#445
On March 13 2012 13:52 holy_war wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 13:46 fox77 wrote:
On March 13 2012 12:04 FabledIntegral wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:31 theBALLS wrote:
On March 12 2012 22:27 whiteLotus wrote:
whats with all the koreans "go foreign team" ? do they imagine that foreign teams have gold mines and can pay them 10k$ month?

Well that's almost true. Just look at puma for example


I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot?

Huk and Idra make over 100k can't see Puma making less.


IdrA's salary isn't rumored to be that high. I think 50-60k was the estimate that someone in the know threw out. HuK probably does make close to 100k though.


I'm not sure if this is for their Starcraft team, but EG has mentioned that "in 2012, Evil Geniuses is both the world’s premier professional gaming team – with more than 25 salaried players, some of whose base salaries eclipse six figures"
Mvp fanboy
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 13 2012 05:04 GMT
#446
I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired.

Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious.
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naggerNZ
Profile Joined December 2010
New Zealand708 Posts
March 13 2012 05:06 GMT
#447
Well whoever picks Taeja up (someone will guarantee it) he'll be worth every penny. He's insanely good and only like 17(?).
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
March 13 2012 05:08 GMT
#448
On March 13 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired.

Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious.


You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant).
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hnim
Profile Joined July 2011
United States86 Posts
March 13 2012 05:10 GMT
#449
On March 13 2012 14:08 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired.

Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious.


You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant).


Speaking of which I wonder how much Nestea and Mvp make. I mean I've heard IM is not one of the richest teams.
Mvp fanboy
FiNTer
Profile Joined December 2011
Finland153 Posts
March 13 2012 05:13 GMT
#450
On March 13 2012 14:10 hnim wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 14:08 Diamond wrote:
On March 13 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired.

Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious.


You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant).


Speaking of which I wonder how much Nestea and Mvp make. I mean I've heard IM is not one of the richest teams.

IM is the one of the richest teams, lol.
Slayers`terran fan
snatcch
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States133 Posts
March 13 2012 05:14 GMT
#451
On March 13 2012 07:35 Seraphone wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 07:04 Otolia wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:58 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:54 Otolia wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:51 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:45 supdubdup wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 05:45 Diamond wrote:
On March 13 2012 05:44 CarlosOmse wrote:
i still dont know how u cant understand that @ slayers hes just a team meber dont rl get payd trips and isnt a "star"
if he joins a foreign team he probally is the aceplayer getting the most attention will be able to play more majo foreign events!


^ This.

On SlayerS he is just "another awesome SlayerS terran". On a foreign team he's an ace or top top top player for the team. It's sort of like Axslav and EG.




Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

But wouldn't u want to be THE terran on Slayers, eclipsing MMA and etc. in popularity. But maybe he just wants more money. I'd understand that too.



It's the money. He probably got like 50-200 bucks each time he won those ESV weeklies, against quality Korea opponents. Now, imagine him doing that against inferior foreign opponents for $1,000-$15,000.... I blame the sponsors for throwing all the money at crap ass foreign teams :>

You have no idea how sponsoring works, don't you ?

more viewers/exposure/marketability = more sponsors/money?

Good. Now read your post again and understand why koreans teams don't find international sponsors.


They almost all have major international sponsors.

Slayers are sponsored by Intel and Razer
IM are sponsored by Steelseries, Burn and CocaCola (although there's a lot of confusion about what they get from it)
Startale are sponsored by BenQ, Zowie and Red Bull
oGs are sponsored by Razer, MSI and Corsair
MVP are sponsored by Razer, Creative and Sound Blaster
Prime are sponsored by Thermaltake

But what with the cost of running and maintaining their houses and allowing 10-20 player to live their free of charge they're unable to pay salaries in addition to that.

Foreign teams tend to skip the housing entirely have a quarter of the players and thus can pay salaries.


PRIME is also sponsored by OCZ
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crazyweasel
Profile Joined March 2011
607 Posts
March 13 2012 05:15 GMT
#452
TL definately needs another terran but i don't see them picking taeja. so far they've picked hero and zenio which were from the OGS team and sheth who fitted really well the team. i was actually thinkin they would've picked nada. but one sure thiing is that he wont be teamless for long
naux
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada738 Posts
March 13 2012 05:15 GMT
#453
if you guys didnt know idra started that he made like 50 dollars an hour while he was streaming.. and in one video where Huk just got recruited to EG they started talking about salaries and at one part Huk was saying the highest paid player wasss ahh i forgot what his name was but he was making 250k and Huk said he was confident he was top 3 player paid in the world and if he thinks his getting top 3 paid in the world his obiviously making close to 100k
Fionn
Profile Blog Joined October 2009
United States23455 Posts
March 13 2012 05:16 GMT
#454
On March 13 2012 14:08 Diamond wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 14:04 Fionn wrote:
I don't think it's fair to say that foreign teams pay their players that much better than the Korean teams. Yes, at the very top, if you're a Huk, Idra, or Naniwa, yeah, but look at Check. He joined eSahara, leaving Prime to go join a foreign team and he just retired.

Could be different for Taeja, though. He's young, very talented, a Code S player, and is pretty damn marketable with a good personality. Also his keyboard looks delicious.


You then highly overestimate how much non-Nestea's, MvP's, etc's get paid. Just the travel benefits alone are massive, let alone the salaries (which most Koreans don't get or is insignificant).


I know, but I'm saying the non-Huk's, Idra's, and Naniwa's don't make gigantic bank. It's like the Koreans think that all the foreigners are making tons of cash when that probably isn't a case.

For Taeja, this could be a good move. He is a Code S player who is marketable enough to probably get a lot more money on a top foreign team. But not every Korean who has tried to do this has worked out.
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bokchoi
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
Korea (South)9498 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 05:17:35
March 13 2012 05:16 GMT
#455
On March 13 2012 14:14 snatcch wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 13 2012 07:35 Seraphone wrote:
On March 13 2012 07:04 Otolia wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:58 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:54 Otolia wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:51 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:45 supdubdup wrote:
On March 13 2012 06:40 bucckevin wrote:
On March 13 2012 05:45 Diamond wrote:
On March 13 2012 05:44 CarlosOmse wrote:
i still dont know how u cant understand that @ slayers hes just a team meber dont rl get payd trips and isnt a "star"
if he joins a foreign team he probally is the aceplayer getting the most attention will be able to play more majo foreign events!


^ This.

On SlayerS he is just "another awesome SlayerS terran". On a foreign team he's an ace or top top top player for the team. It's sort of like Axslav and EG.




Taeja is probably the biggest name with talent, besides MC, to join a foreign team. Up till now, we've only really had B-teamers, people unable to even qualify for the GSL go to foreign teams. If he has Puma success, I can really see more and more Koreans follow in his footsteps. It could be good or bad depending on how you look at it.

But wouldn't u want to be THE terran on Slayers, eclipsing MMA and etc. in popularity. But maybe he just wants more money. I'd understand that too.



It's the money. He probably got like 50-200 bucks each time he won those ESV weeklies, against quality Korea opponents. Now, imagine him doing that against inferior foreign opponents for $1,000-$15,000.... I blame the sponsors for throwing all the money at crap ass foreign teams :>

You have no idea how sponsoring works, don't you ?

more viewers/exposure/marketability = more sponsors/money?

Good. Now read your post again and understand why koreans teams don't find international sponsors.


They almost all have major international sponsors.

Slayers are sponsored by Intel and Razer
IM are sponsored by Steelseries, Burn and CocaCola (although there's a lot of confusion about what they get from it)
Startale are sponsored by BenQ, Zowie and Red Bull
oGs are sponsored by Razer, MSI and Corsair
MVP are sponsored by Razer, Creative and Sound Blaster
Prime are sponsored by Thermaltake

But what with the cost of running and maintaining their houses and allowing 10-20 player to live their free of charge they're unable to pay salaries in addition to that.

Foreign teams tend to skip the housing entirely have a quarter of the players and thus can pay salaries.


PRIME is also sponsored by OCZ


SlayerS as a team was never sponsored by Intel (only BoxeR) and also recently lost their Razer sponsorship (whether Razer dropped them in favor of MVP or SlayerS didn't want to re-contract, I don't know)

EDIT: MVP is no longer sponsored by Creative/Soundblaster assuming conflict with Razer. Startale is also not sponsored by Red Bull, only Bomber.
Sejanus
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Lithuania550 Posts
March 13 2012 05:26 GMT
#456
Slayers poster boy is MMA. Maybe they dont want to stay in Slayers and be remembered as the "guys other than MMA" forever. Young people have great ambitions. This may not be the only reason nor the main reason, but it probably is one of the reasons anyway.

Best luck in the future, Taeja.
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Headnoob
Profile Joined September 2010
Australia2108 Posts
March 13 2012 05:35 GMT
#457
Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers.

ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players.
justsayinbro
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
307 Posts
March 13 2012 05:37 GMT
#458
Not surprised as it seemed like taeja is overshadowed by mma in slayers.
jkc
Profile Blog Joined December 2011
United States83 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-03-13 05:50:10
March 13 2012 05:48 GMT
#459
On March 13 2012 14:35 Headnoob wrote:
Taeja is definitely not someone i see staying at a high level once he leaves slayers.

ah well, guess slayers will have to make do with the rest of their excellent players.


Many Korean pros practice with their friends or clan-mates (who aren't always part of their teams). Just because he isn't a SlayerS member anymore doesn't mean he won't be able to practice with his friends on the team.

Given how key the SlayerS coaches have been with the team's success there's obvious advantages to being on SlayerS team. However there's no evidence that supports the argument that leaving SlayerS will mean Taeja won't be able to continue practicing and playing at a high level.

I'm not too thrilled that Taeja is leaving SlayerS either, but I think Taeja will do just fine wherever he goes.
Promethelax
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada7089 Posts
March 13 2012 06:04 GMT
#460
On March 13 2012 13:18 vthree wrote:
Show nested quote +
I would highly doubt Puma gets even half that amount. Why in the world do you think EG pays Puma a lot?


Puma has made $130,000+ in the past year. Sure, not all koreans joining foreign teams will have his level of success at foreign events (especially with more koreans attending those events now). But there is no way he would even be attending those events if he was still with oGs. Unless you are MVP, Nestea, MC, MMA, Boxer, DRG, there just aren't too many invites coming your way from foreign tournaments. Sure, there are qualifiers but with almost the entire Code S trying for some tournaments (MLG arena, etc), it is so tough just to get a spot.



He was on TSL actually, rather different. Just to clarify.
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