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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
Why would you try to explain macro/micro using basketball terms? Macro: Recruiting people for the army. (example: America needs YOU!) Micro: Tactic/Movement of your army. (example: Blitzkrieg) Also, explaining playing SCII with playing Chess/poker is silly as well. It is a fucking war. Use WWII to describe Starcraft II. Some games even ended with nukes. (Choya vs Jinro) | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:16 Koshi wrote: I don't understand why people don't explain Starcraft II as a war. Why would you try to explain macro/micro using basketball terms? Macro: Recruiting people for the army. (example: America needs YOU!) Micro: Tactic/Movement of your army. (example: Blitzkrieg) Also, explaining playing SCII with playing Chess/poker is silly as well. It is a fucking war. Use WWII to describe Starcraft II. Some games even ended with nukes. (Choya vs Jinro) yes but there s no such sport or entertainment as wars. If you want to explain why this is a sport, you compare it to poker because: 1. neither is physically challenging as regular sports 2. both require reading your opponent's move 3. both are effected by luck 4. even though outside people dont realize it, both require lot of practice, studying and game ethics to succeed | ||
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Jankisa
Croatia1052 Posts
Love how they got from Atheism to Artosis trying to explain M theory to the guy, Artosis is awesome. | ||
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ArcLiTe
62 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:16 Koshi wrote: I don't understand why people don't explain Starcraft II as a war. Why would you try to explain macro/micro using basketball terms? Macro: Recruiting people for the army. (example: America needs YOU!) Micro: Tactic/Movement of your army. (example: Blitzkrieg) Also, explaining playing SCII with playing Chess/poker is silly as well. It is a fucking war. Use WWII to describe Starcraft II. Some games even ended with nukes. (Choya vs Jinro) What artosis was saying does make sense, it is a lot like chess/poker. Just because they dont have the same mindset as you doesn't make them wrong. War is a horrible thing to compare sc to because I know artosis is a peaceful minded guy he is the emperor of the universe after all. | ||
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Poehalcho
149 Posts
Overal it was pretty interesting. I think this is the first podcast I've managed to listen through completely. I don't have the patience to actively pay attention to audio for an hour straight T_T. A little bothered by Dunkan's derailed trail of thoughts sometimes, but all in all it was a good show. I can't say I haven't gone through my load of universal theorizing  . I just wish he wouldn't returning to humping all the time xDArtosis did well. Often I would consider Artosis to be someone with a pretty big ego. He tends to think of himself as a lot, or at least used to... This time he was good though, even modest :D. I guess he's changed, though I wouldn't know as his broadcast times never coincide with Europe :[ | ||
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FREEloss_ca
Canada603 Posts
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lamz
Lithuania54 Posts
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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c0se
Germany148 Posts
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Koshi
Belgium38799 Posts
On February 22 2012 18:38 Geo.Rion wrote: yes but there s no such sport or entertainment as wars. If you want to explain why this is a sport, you compare it to poker because: 1. neither is physically challenging as regular sports 2. both require reading your opponent's move 3. both are effected by luck 4. even though outside people dont realize it, both require lot of practice, studying and game ethics to succeed But the questions were: 1) Can you explain Starcraft II to our viewers who know nothing about Starcraft II. 2) Can you explain Macro and Micro to our viewers? The bad explanations I heard about SCII using poker and chess make my head hurt. Nobody will ever understand what Starcraft II is after hearing that explanation from Artosis. "It is like chess because chess is turn-based and a strategy" and uh "it is like chess because you have pieces, and we call them units" and uh "It is like poker because you have limited information" and uh "so if you take the turns out of chess and limited information from poker" = THAT IS STARCRAFT!!! That is fucking bullshit. And I don't want to single out Artosis here, I have heard it been described like that by other pro gamers and SCII promoters as well. As one of the faces of SCII and a prominent figure in the SCII development he should have answered that question better when put on the spot. Let me give it a try, and this will be without doubt incomplete and imperfect, but at least it should be something to build on. Starcraft II is a war simulator where you have 3 different races, one of the races is the human race and their units are similar to the people/vehicles used in World War II. For example you have a marine, a sniper, a tank and even aircraft. The units/vehicles of the other 2 races are very unique and fun to play with. For example one of the other races, Zerg, are more focused on speed and quantity of units. You have to gather money and with that money make units. The interesting part of that is that you have to choose between building to a good income, or building an early army, but then having a very bad income. This is because you have limited information, just like in poker, you don't know what your opponent is doing. But in Starcraft II, if you are smart and fast, you can gather information by scouting your opponent. Thus, it is possible to sometimes know perfectly what your opponent is doing, and then it becomes more like chess, where you can outplay your opponent. Another thing to note is that pro players, do around 2 actions each second during an entire game that goes well over 15 minutes. Hence, it is one of the hardest, maybe even the hardest sports mentally. You can argue that starcraft is not the most physical sport, but there are so many not physical Olympic sports. And none of these sports are as mentally hard as Starcraft II. That is Starcraft II explained in 30 seconds, just 30 seconds. You can get 4 times that many text for 2 minutes. Which isn't that much time, if they ask you what Starcraft II is, they want to get a decent answer. | ||
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Hardigan
Switzerland1297 Posts
On February 22 2012 13:48 forsooth wrote: Tried watching it but the host of the show is exceptionally annoying. Maybe another time. i have to agree. It was really hard to listen to. | ||
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Synche
United States1345 Posts
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Serendipicus
United States90 Posts
 Lots of fun to listen to. | ||
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moltenlead
Canada866 Posts
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SigmaoctanusIV
United States3313 Posts
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Zuxo
Sweden395 Posts
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holycrapitsTony
United States330 Posts
On February 22 2012 20:35 Zuxo wrote: The host seems stoned, or he is just insane. He's an advocate for psychedelics, so this isn't really alarming. | ||
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Equity213
Canada873 Posts
On February 22 2012 19:58 moltenlead wrote: Duncan Trusell seems to be high on life. Yup, and also pot and LSD. | ||
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MHT
Sweden1026 Posts
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Zorgaz
Sweden2951 Posts
.Really entertaining podcast xD | ||
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