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ZandeSC2
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden23 Posts
February 27 2012 00:32 GMT
#521
I realy loved the way you made me watch all streams at once, and the finals when you can follow each player, see two streams with other casters. And the quality is ALOT ALOT better than code S / gomtv.

Only issue was the lag we had (from EU it seems), it looked like to always be the first set in each matchup(for me atleast).

I hope you do the same for the MLG championship. I wanna watch all those matches at once. And watch the match afterwards in HD.

Keep up the good work MLG! The best online watch/stream i've seen so far in the Starcraft 2 community!
you like the spoon?
MichaelDonovan
Profile Joined June 2011
United States1453 Posts
February 27 2012 00:32 GMT
#522
On February 27 2012 09:27 turdburgler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:23 Eshra wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:22 nGBeast wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:21 AllHailTheDead wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:18 nGBeast wrote:
its back up a 30 second downtime chill the fuck out



more like 9 minutes filled with lag


im watching in 1080p all 3 days with no to very minor lag, blame your ISP lowering your resolution if you can't handle it


Yeah sure, ALL of the people complaining about lags should just check their ISP. How stupid are you ?


your both being stupid, none of you have engineering backgrounds so neither of you is qualified to say whos fault it is. you can say theres a problem so mlg/twitch can look in to it, but as soon as you start assigning blame and throwing around words like bandwidth or other words you once heard you just make yourself look like an uninformed idiot.


By your logic, "turdburgler", you are also being stupid because you aren't a psychic so you don't know that they don't have engineering backgrounds. Also internet routing/bandwidth has very little to do with engineering and in fact, if you study this kind of thing at a university you are a part of the computer science college rather than the engineering college.
SCDKiLLaZ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States42 Posts
February 27 2012 00:33 GMT
#523
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.
StavrosHL
Profile Joined December 2010
Greece128 Posts
February 27 2012 00:34 GMT
#524
sooner or later sc2 ( the only remaining source of viewership of twitch ) will switch to Own3d the best and largest gaming streaming platform worldwide. despite some layout issues own3d has the best infrastracture and support and can handle hundred of thousand connections. Twitch is bad and totally unprofessional.
SovSov
Profile Joined September 2010
United States755 Posts
February 27 2012 00:34 GMT
#525
On February 27 2012 09:33 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.

Everyone needs to understand that it could be better than this. A lot better than this. And just because there's no guarantee doesn't mean you should eat MLG's shit while happily asking for more when things go wrong.
tetsuo9
Profile Joined April 2011
Chile62 Posts
February 27 2012 00:34 GMT
#526
On February 27 2012 09:33 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.


If that is the case then I'm not bothering about buying this a second time.
turdburgler
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
England6749 Posts
February 27 2012 00:35 GMT
#527
On February 27 2012 09:32 MichaelDonovan wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:27 turdburgler wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:23 Eshra wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:22 nGBeast wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:21 AllHailTheDead wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:18 nGBeast wrote:
its back up a 30 second downtime chill the fuck out



more like 9 minutes filled with lag


im watching in 1080p all 3 days with no to very minor lag, blame your ISP lowering your resolution if you can't handle it


Yeah sure, ALL of the people complaining about lags should just check their ISP. How stupid are you ?


your both being stupid, none of you have engineering backgrounds so neither of you is qualified to say whos fault it is. you can say theres a problem so mlg/twitch can look in to it, but as soon as you start assigning blame and throwing around words like bandwidth or other words you once heard you just make yourself look like an uninformed idiot.


By your logic, "turdburgler", you are also being stupid because you aren't a psychic so you don't know that they don't have engineering backgrounds. Also internet routing/bandwidth has very little to do with engineering and in fact, if you study this kind of thing at a university you are a part of the computer science college rather than the engineering college.


what is the title of someone who fixes the technical problems with your internet? an engineer.

im noy psychic but at the same time, if they did know what they were talking about they wouldnt be making terrible angry posts, they would be phoning their isp to report a problem or they would be filling in a detailed form on the twitch site to tell them whats wrong. i could be 100% wrong, i agree, but something about the rage of their posts made me assume they didnt know what they are talking about.
Arghmyliver
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States1081 Posts
February 27 2012 00:36 GMT
#528
I really like all the free streams. It's so nice that people are finally coming around to the idea that serving each other - indeed the human race as a whole, rather than specific wealth-mongering individuals - is the only way to truly move forward. Keep up all the free content MLG! GO MKP IN FINAL!

User was temp banned for this post.
Now witness their attempts to fly from tree to tree. Notice they do not so much fly as plummet.
mrmyers
Profile Joined February 2012
4 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-02-27 00:37:35
February 27 2012 00:36 GMT
#529
The blackout was not an actual blackout but rather a VERY questionable decision by the mlg staff.
There was the possibility to watch the stream for free if you browse the mlg page via the incognito mode at chrome.

While i paid for watching some of my friends abused that bug.

They shut the stream off right at the most exciting point of the last match of the first bo3 just in order to fix the incognito bug.
They ruined the game for EVERYBODY who paid to see the event just to ban some people who don't have theI possibility to pay for the stream.
That was pretty much obvious since the bug was suddenly fixed when the stream came back on a few minutes later.

Just registered to share that info with you!
SCDKiLLaZ
Profile Joined March 2010
United States42 Posts
February 27 2012 00:40 GMT
#530
On February 27 2012 09:34 SovSov wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:33 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.

Everyone needs to understand that it could be better than this. A lot better than this. And just because there's no guarantee doesn't mean you should eat MLG's shit while happily asking for more when things go wrong.



Well not sure how much better than this you can get when you have 4 streams in 1080p streaming about a total of 80 hours with only 30 seconds of lag and 30 seconds of downtime. I cant talk to the fact that there seems like a lot of EU has lag, but if you live in the States the lag you experienced was your own.
Jebotres
Profile Joined August 2011
Croatia48 Posts
February 27 2012 00:41 GMT
#531
Those of you telling us to go call our ISPs are just trolling right?

I'm sure Twitch will come out saying theyre upgrading their EU servers for the 15th time in the last 6 months and everyone will cheer.

And nothing will continue to get fixed.

MLG needs to go back to whatever they used to stream Pro Circuit events in 2011, Twitch has been failing for so long now, I dont know what everyone was expecting.
DoublespeakUS
Profile Blog Joined August 2011
United States55 Posts
February 27 2012 00:46 GMT
#532
On February 27 2012 09:27 nGBeast wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:26 Eshra wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:25 nGBeast wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:23 Eshra wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:22 nGBeast wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:21 AllHailTheDead wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:18 nGBeast wrote:
its back up a 30 second downtime chill the fuck out



more like 9 minutes filled with lag


im watching in 1080p all 3 days with no to very minor lag, blame your ISP lowering your resolution if you can't handle it


Yeah sure, ALL of the people complaining about lags should just check their ISP. How stupid are you ?



I'm not a whiny little fuck when I don't get a clear 1080p, not my fault you can't handle 1080p. It's your ISP, obviously not all don't be so stupid, but it has to do with your bandwidth


I'm watching in 240p and still lagging, idiot. I'd be happy to have just a clear 480p.


Upgrade your shitty internet/computer

Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:27 Mr Showtime wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:20 nGBeast wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:19 ragnorr wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:18 nGBeast wrote:
you people are jokes

why, when you do ppv and having an unwatchable finals is not acceptable


just because its PPV doesn't mean it wont have technical problems, the internet infrastructure is much much different compared to EU tournaments, people on the internet just like to whine and complain


edit: seems like they just found the bug that was letting people view for free (on twitch), haha freeloaders


Stop talking out of your ass. If MLG is going to charge $20 (an unprecedented amount that I am willing to pay), it needs to be a flawless production. These lag issues and crashes are excusable when it's free because...... well, it's free. This isn't free. When the video lags like hell, but the audio is fine it's not my ISP. Stop talking out of your ass.


So all in all your a whiny self entitled teenager that want's perfection from a first time hosting/streaming location

makes a lot of fucking sense


I'm not sure how you could be anymore rude.

The stream has hardly any issues for 2 days and then a majority of people complain that the video is lagging (not the audio) for the finals. It seems justifiable that it is not their ISPs that are causing the issue.

When you pay for a product you expect to get your moneys worth. This is one, if not the first, time a Starcraft II tournament was PPV only. The higher it is priced, the higher expectations we have of production quality. If you bought a pass for a boxing special on PPV and the picture all the sudden went fuzzy and sometimes cut out during the main event, do you not think you would have a right to complain or even ask for a refund?

We are just learning from experience that the technology is horrid. It is still in an infancy phase. Internet connectivity is extremely sporadic and is different for each individual. How do you monetize an event when that is how you outlet your product? Each event might as well put in a warning: May have Battle.net drops. May have latency issues. May fail and shut down for short periods of time.

If that is the case then a question we ask ourselves is, is the product $20? There is a large issue going on within the gaming community about how the majority of people complain and yet still buy the product. I think that we are vastly misled by the products we are buying and yet gaming is something we love so we always have high hopes. MLG is in that similar situation where they promise things they can not commit to. As a community we have illegitimate arguments within ourselves about complaining. Sadly, we complain about complainers. There are people who say "It's just $20" and people that say "It's $20, that's too much!" and these people have arguments over that. It wastes time and doesn't get any message across to people who actually have an impact on the product.

The technology is not there for a company to have a PPV only event on this medium. It is too new and I disagree with Sundance when he states he wanted to start at $20 because then he can only go lower, not higher. I think you need to start low, gain enough credibility that the product is worth more and then gradually increase the price as it become more reliable. I would never pay $20 for this again. I would not pay $10. I would maybe pay $5 but I would consider that still a risk on my part.
MMA/Select/Thorzain
Achaia
Profile Joined July 2010
United States643 Posts
February 27 2012 00:48 GMT
#533
On February 27 2012 09:40 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:34 SovSov wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:33 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.

Everyone needs to understand that it could be better than this. A lot better than this. And just because there's no guarantee doesn't mean you should eat MLG's shit while happily asking for more when things go wrong.



Well not sure how much better than this you can get when you have 4 streams in 1080p streaming about a total of 80 hours with only 30 seconds of lag and 30 seconds of downtime. I cant talk to the fact that there seems like a lot of EU has lag, but if you live in the States the lag you experienced was your own.


That's not entirely true. I live in the states and have a pretty beefy internet connection and a pretty beefy computer and I've been getting intermittent lag the entire weekend. It seems to be something that a lot of people are experiencing, myself included and given the high number of people experiencing similar symptoms I find it hard to believe that it's the viewer's issues.
http://www.youtube.com/SCBattleGrounds
grs
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
Germany2339 Posts
February 27 2012 00:52 GMT
#534
On February 27 2012 09:36 mrmyers wrote:
The blackout was not an actual blackout but rather a VERY questionable decision by the mlg staff.
There was the possibility to watch the stream for free if you browse the mlg page via the incognito mode at chrome.

While i paid for watching some of my friends abused that bug.

They shut the stream off right at the most exciting point of the last match of the first bo3 just in order to fix the incognito bug.
They ruined the game for EVERYBODY who paid to see the event just to ban some people who don't have theI possibility to pay for the stream.
That was pretty much obvious since the bug was suddenly fixed when the stream came back on a few minutes later.

Just registered to share that info with you!

You just registered to post nonsense then. Nothing has changed with being able to watch it for free on the MLG site.
Desiato
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada185 Posts
February 27 2012 01:13 GMT
#535
On February 27 2012 09:48 Achaia wrote:
Show nested quote +
On February 27 2012 09:40 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:34 SovSov wrote:
On February 27 2012 09:33 SCDKiLLaZ wrote:
Everyone needs to understand that there is no such thing as GUARANTEED when it comes to online streaming, no matter how much money you do or do not pay.

Everyone needs to understand that it could be better than this. A lot better than this. And just because there's no guarantee doesn't mean you should eat MLG's shit while happily asking for more when things go wrong.



Well not sure how much better than this you can get when you have 4 streams in 1080p streaming about a total of 80 hours with only 30 seconds of lag and 30 seconds of downtime. I cant talk to the fact that there seems like a lot of EU has lag, but if you live in the States the lag you experienced was your own.


That's not entirely true. I live in the states and have a pretty beefy internet connection and a pretty beefy computer and I've been getting intermittent lag the entire weekend. It seems to be something that a lot of people are experiencing, myself included and given the high number of people experiencing similar symptoms I find it hard to believe that it's the viewer's issues.


I work for an internet streaming company on weekends (....not twitch....) so needless to say I have an excellent internet at my disposal that has to be consistant. There was no lag whatsoever for me until the finals, I wasn't running 4 streams at 720 concurrently (too much for the work comp to handle) but set at a reasonable bit rate there never was an issue. (1 stream at 720, 3 at 480)
fvlt
Profile Joined December 2011
United States6 Posts
February 27 2012 01:16 GMT
#536
I just clicked on the stream in twitch and it worked. No spamming, incognito mode, anything. I appreciate the accidental free content and enjoyed watching the finals.
Lemonayd
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States745 Posts
February 27 2012 01:17 GMT
#537
Work on that Grand Finals celebration. that was the most awkward thing I've ever seen
Clank
Profile Joined April 2011
United States548 Posts
February 27 2012 01:17 GMT
#538
overall great event, definitely glad I payed the $20 to see it all, but Im kinda sad they didn't have an award ceremony at the end. No trophy presentation or anything
m4s0n
Profile Joined February 2012
Canada11 Posts
February 27 2012 01:17 GMT
#539
I never post under any threads, pay for any tournament, but followed this scene since SC2 beta, and I have to say, this was the first event I've paid for, watched every game right to the end credits, and never felt the urge more to support this game and these events more than now.

Thanks for making this weekend a blast to watch, I would of prefered a live audience as the crowds cheering the name of the winner just makes it that much more epic, but thats what MLG colombus will be all about.
J.E.G.
Profile Joined May 2010
United States389 Posts
February 27 2012 01:19 GMT
#540
Please offer a day-by-day subscription option. Please do a better job of showing the tournament format for the different rounds. Please have more than bo3 for champion bracket. Other than this stuff, great job! awesome tournament.
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