EPTEdit*: Ignoring the "weird" December period.
[Nov] TLPD Race Winrate Graphs - Page 28
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Laughing
United States44 Posts
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hasuterrans
United States614 Posts
On December 09 2011 00:16 Deadeight wrote: Differences of a few percent, that's pretty cool. I hope people did note the scale/values not just the relative magnitudes of the lines. A few percent is what I would call balanced pretty much, totally accountable to "meta-game" shifts and the rise of good players (as I am assuming the data is done by games, not by individual player win percentage, and better players get further in tournaments and win more games...). That's a point actually. @hasuterrans Did you take the win percentage of all P, T & Z games? I'm guessing so from the OP. Another way to do it is to average individual players win percentages in particular match ups, so that exceptional individual players (e.g. Nestea, or MC when he dominated) aren't over-represented just because they play more games. I defer to your superior knowledge on this ofc but just interested on your thinking on it. + Show Spoiler + The more you win, the further in the tournament you get, so the more games you play. Overall I guess that doesn't make a big difference though and all three races probably have an identical gaussian distribution of players, so same effect upon all three. I didn't make the graph I just posted it. You can tweet the guy (see link in op) who makes these or pm him. He's super responsive to suggestions. His TL id is Ctuchik. | ||
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Kznn
Brazil9072 Posts
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rakoth
Greece55 Posts
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DreamChaser
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Vapaach
Finland994 Posts
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Applesqt
United States206 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:03 Vapaach wrote: Everything is looking quite nice But I think tvz is a matchup that needs to be addressed. Z seems too weak. I'm guessing you play Zerg | ||
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Kira__
Sweden2672 Posts
Well if you use these statistics to claim that terran was overpowered versus protoss before, or that it's the other way around since the patch... then you will have to draw the conclusion that terran is overpowered against zerg. Edit: Personally I don't think this is the case; I think in general that win percentages is a useless way of measuring balance. But that's just me. | ||
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Gravity3
Bulgaria17 Posts
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FlamingTurd
United States1059 Posts
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SeaSwift
Scotland4486 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:31 Gravity3 wrote: TvP is still imbalanced ,fix more Blizzard but nerf protoss instead this time. Yup. These stats conclusively prove beyond doubt that those cheaper upgrades and the EMP nerf makes PvT absolutely broken in favour of the Protoss. ... | ||
Wtamer
Canada131 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:31 FlamingTurd wrote: Hmm that is pretty awesome, although I'd really like to see there be more games than 279 ?? Did I really read that right? They did the stats off the results of 279 games? Honestly, there can be a significant difference between different batches of 279 games.. That's definitely NOT enough games to post stats about to be statistically correct. At least make it a 1k minimum or something before posting like this :-/ Hopefully I'm just reading it wrong. Yeah, for the korean stats that's not a whole lot of games. On the other hand, there's not exactly a whole lot of korean games PERIOD, so it'd be kind of hard to get 1000 games/month for the korean stats. Just the way things work out unfortunately. :/ So take the stats with a grain of salt, I guess? Don't overreact to sudden changes? EDIT: On December 09 2011 01:31 Gravity3 wrote: TvP is still imbalanced ,fix more Blizzard but nerf protoss instead this time. Seriously, dude. It's been one month. One bad month. Just chill and let the game develop a little. | ||
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Tomken
Norway1144 Posts
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sVnteen
Germany2238 Posts
On December 05 2011 20:19 rpgalon wrote: it's the easiest way to achiev balance, a counter systen lol so you think blizzard is trying to balance the game by making Terran win vs zerg zerg win vs Protoss and Protoss winning vs Terran? thats kinda stupid since it is obviously not the way it is | ||
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Perfect
United States322 Posts
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SarcasmMonster
3136 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:00 Perfect wrote: Very interesting. Must by why I (terran player) dropped down to diamond. It's also the reason why I'm not a bonjwa yet. | ||
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creamer
Canada128 Posts
 that was getting old. Nice to see the game getting balanced | ||
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Bajsgrodan
Afghanistan408 Posts
>protoss player< "toss is weak buff toss" >terran player< "I like nachos!" Why would anyone who plays anything else then random ever have any saying in whats balanced or whats not? I mean clearly evry opinion here is biased as hell:D | ||
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Raambo11
United States828 Posts
On December 09 2011 01:22 Kira__ wrote: Well if you use these statistics to claim that terran was overpowered versus protoss before, or that it's the other way around since the patch... then you will have to draw the conclusion that terran is overpowered against zerg. Edit: Personally I don't think this is the case; I think in general that win percentages is a useless way of measuring balance. But that's just me. The KR stats may be surprising, but I can virtually assure you the reason is lack of infestor usage as everyone in KR goes muta ling bling. The more people start to use infestor the more Z will start winning vs T. | ||
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Big J
Austria16289 Posts
On December 09 2011 02:43 Raambo11 wrote: The KR stats may be surprising, but I can virtually assure you the reason is lack of infestor usage as everyone in KR goes muta ling bling. The more people start to use infestor the more Z will start winning vs T. and what is that based upon? "I can assure you, once Terrans start to build only medivacs without any units that can actually shoot the terran winrates will reach 100%"... There are various reasons why players play infestors or why players play mutalisks. From what you can read on TL, you will hear most high level Terrans say that they are more comfortable against early Infestors than against early mutalisks. | ||
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