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well, really liked the preview of the tournament, but wow, whats up with all the negativity towards NASL?
I really dont see why it is a bad thing that theyr tournament expands over a month. I can see that its not what the other tournaments are doing (dreamhack, mlg) but that certainly doesnt make NASL a lesser tournament. i personally like the whole idea of players getting the seeds through a month long performance. this forces players to practice alot more specificly towards theyr opponent, and i just find that to bring even more tactical depht to the games as a whole. And it is in without a doubt a better way to do it than MLG, where one guy has to win 30 straight games, while others just have to win 5 to take the whole tournament.
And then you bash the commentators. because you dont find them funny. really? if i wanted fun cast i would go to Huskys channel. or wahtever. again it is just my personal opinion, but id prefer in depht analysis over stupid out of context small talk any time. Besides, Gretorp is actually funny at times.
Yes you are probably right, that if NASL wants to be able to charge 25 for VODS and HQ stream, they should work on theyr production quality a bit. and that big 2 day events draw a bigger crowd is not really a secret. but that is really not the point about NASL. Its supposed to be the littlebrother of STARLEAGUE and GSL not another 2 day MLG/dreamhack clone. we already have soooo many of those events. What we need is something like GSL, and i really wish we had a EU-star league or something. its arguable exactly how well NASL was able to lift that responsebility, but please NASL, PLEASE, dont become another MLG!
Not that there is anything wrong with MLG, its a great tournament no doubt, we just have so many all ready. what we need is not to make this all about entertainment. We call it E-SPORT, not E-Entertainment. And sports needs leagues. The players are not rockstars that show up for 1 show and then just disappears untill the next. some of them might want to be ( :D ), but they are professionals. we need a league like GSL and NASL for every division to make this clear.
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On December 02 2011 17:25 Klogon wrote:
Of course we support all events as we want to scene to grow, but we are also proud to be honest, fair-handed, and tactful with our well researched news commentaries and assessments. But it is not as if they pay us to give them good press, as far as I know.
They aren't?
Personally, I don't mind that the TL feature be a bit harsh at times. Too soft with everyone, people will start calling us "TL Fluffy News."
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On December 02 2011 17:32 Primadog wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 17:25 Klogon wrote:
Of course we support all events as we want to scene to grow, but we are also proud to be honest, fair-handed, and tactful with our well researched news commentaries and assessments. But it is not as if they pay us to give them good press, as far as I know. They aren't? Personally, I don't mind that the TL feature be a bit harsh at times. Too soft with everyone, people will start calling us "TL Fluffy News."
I dont think that counts as TL getting money to hype them. I could have a product i want to advertise that is relevant to the gaming community. I could pay TL to post my stuff in that section. Does not mean i sponsor TL and they are obligated to talk me up. I basically paid for Ad space. At least that is my understanding on that matter~!
And on the TT1 matter - i hope we didnt mess up his play and he gets self conscious now lol. Like if he really cares about what ppl are saying about him, he might go for a macro game vs using a "cheesy" strat he could see a win with, and lose because of it. Interesting. :O
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Good read. I agree with the S2 description. I haven't watched very much since the daily content gets lost among everything else exciting going on right now in the community. No need to watch 1-month old games at low quality when I can get non-stop live action from other streams, in good quality.
I’m still looking forward to the weekend tough. Will try to watch at least some of the games even though I have plans for most of the weekend elsewhere.
Would it not have been good with these links in the post(?):
http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=290863
http://www.teamliquid.net/nasl/
Perhaps they are there and I just did not find them.
+ Show Spoiler +PS. TT1, don't do that.. Just play well and people will get the point.
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On December 02 2011 17:31 bagklog wrote:
well, really liked the preview of the tournament, but wow, whats up with all the negativity towards NASL?
I really dont see why it is a bad thing that theyr tournament expands over a month. I can see that its not what the other tournaments are doing (dreamhack, mlg) but that certainly doesnt make NASL a lesser tournament. i personally like the whole idea of players getting the seeds through a month long performance. this forces players to practice alot more specificly towards theyr opponent, and i just find that to bring even more tactical depht to the games as a whole. And it is in without a doubt a better way to do it than MLG, where one guy has to win 30 straight games, while others just have to win 5 to take the whole tournament.
And then you bash the commentators. because you dont find them funny. really? if i wanted fun cast i would go to Huskys channel. or wahtever. again it is just my personal opinion, but id prefer in depht analysis over stupid out of context small talk any time. Besides, Gretorp is actually funny at times.
Yes you are probably right, that if NASL wants to be able to charge 25 for VODS and HQ stream, they should work on theyr production quality a bit. and that big 2 day events draw a bigger crowd is not really a secret. but that is really not the point about NASL. Its supposed to be the littlebrother of STARLEAGUE and GSL not another 2 day MLG/dreamhack clone. we already have soooo many of those events. What we need is something like GSL, and i really wish we had a EU-star league or something. its arguable exactly how well NASL was able to lift that responsebility, but please NASL, PLEASE, dont become another MLG!
Not that there is anything wrong with MLG, its a great tournament no doubt, we just have so many all ready. what we need is not to make this all about entertainment. We call it E-SPORT, not E-Entertainment. And sports needs leagues. The players are not rockstars that show up for 1 show and then just disappears untill the next. some of them might want to be ( :D ), but they are professionals. we need a league like GSL and NASL for every division to make this clear.
I think they could have had the critism in a seperate article after season 2 is finished but overall I think they brought up fair points. I don't agree with everything but you can't deny that season 2 is much less hyped, watched and generally talked about than season 1. No matter how you put it, nasl regressed from season 1 instead like the op points out, brought it to the next level as the other major sc2 organizers did. I agree there might be a place for longer tournaments but what nasl is doing right now is not working. Maybe if they got back the Koreans for season 3 they could make it work, but overall they need to reconsider their format imo.
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These comparisons seem like a bit of a stretch sometimes, but good write-up nonetheless  .
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Hmmmmmmmmmm.
Some on of the player write up seem a bit lack luster here t.t not your best write up -_-
DeMuslim was 1 of the best players in the Beta, was winning lots of EU cups and got signed by EG because of this during Open Seasons of GSL. Then, he broke his arm, then he broke it again, he came back middle of summer this year, practiced his F'n ass off in EG lair, getting ranked 1 GM on NA server, and top 3 on EU at the same time, winning online tournaments in USA, qualfying for IEM ganzu with idra, but couldn't go and for the ESWC until he found out he couldn't make it then forefited his games. So just saying he is still lacking is a bit harsh t.t
Would of been better if you just wrote what you did for TT1 for HwangSin lol oh well
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On December 02 2011 17:58 nihlon wrote:
I think they could have had the critism in a seperate article after season 2 is finished but overall I think they brought up fair points. I don't agree with everything but you can't deny that season 2 is much less hyped, watched and generally talked about than season 1. No matter how you put it, nasl regressed from season 1 instead like the op points out, brought it to the next level as the other major sc2 organizers did. I agree there might be a place for longer tournaments but what nasl is doing right now is not working. Maybe if they got back the Koreans for season 3 they could make it work, but overall they need to reconsider their format imo.[/QUOTE]
I absolutely agree with you that NASL is far from perfect and no doubt it it is not as hyped as season 1. But neither was GSL after Idra left, or MC dropped to code B. It got less hyped because the players we were used to see and loves couldnt keep up with the format of the tournament. I know Idra left voluntarily, but the point is it was because Idra left, that it got less hype overall. So yes, you are probably right that they will bring more viewers if they invited the koreans, and gave seeds to the most popular players. But a league will never get as much attention than a 2 day event. just look at world championsship or the Superbowl. But that is not the point of a league. that is on the other hand to provide a proffesional setting, where the pros can show great skill and consistency through a longer period.
Its clear that there is not huge support for the GSL/NASL format right now, but it takes time for leagues to get theyr champions and traditions in place. NASL might reach that at some point, but it is too early to tell right now.
"you dont always move to where the ball is, but where its going to be". I think this could be true about NASL aswell. afterall GSL's popularity increased as people started to recognice the players. this takes time. And i dont think the shortcut of just inviting Koreans is the right way to do it. Its a really short termed way of creating a hype, and really ruins the competetive nature of a league format.
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cheesy or not TT1 clearly shows how not smart he is by trying to argue with waxangel
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On December 02 2011 15:45 Waxangel wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 15:34 TT1 wrote:On December 02 2011 15:11 Waxangel wrote:On December 02 2011 15:05 TT1 wrote:
newbi waxangael dont call me an cheesy player if u dont know anything about sc2 silly TT1, IdrA said it so it must be true ^_^ all kidding aside, there's not much you can do about rep  source? cus if were going by this http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=280421.. id say i have decent macro or are u just butthurt that i eliminated a tl member? i guess thats where the bo3 reference came from right? Poll: Does TT1 have a reputation as a cheesy player?Yes (426) 83% No (88) 17% 514 total votes Your vote: Does TT1 have a reputation as a cheesy player? (Vote): Yes
(Vote): No
Yup its all he does silly 2 base all ins and the occasional 1 base all in :D.
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strelok for teh win... bearded men fighting!
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At leat NASL gets article.
Where is GSL Nov. Final preview?
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On December 02 2011 18:48 JunkkaGom wrote:
At leat NASL gets article.
Where is GSL Nov. Final preview?
I imagine it will be up tomorrow, as its on Saturday, and NASL starts on Friday.
I lol'd hard at the bit about Hwangsin at the end.
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On December 02 2011 18:48 JunkkaGom wrote:
At leat NASL gets article.
Where is GSL Nov. Final preview?
Will be up tomorrow morning/afternoon. I just finished my piece.
Looks to be a great article + awesome artwork from fishuu.
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On December 02 2011 17:34 actionbastrd wrote:Show nested quote +On December 02 2011 17:32 Primadog wrote:On December 02 2011 17:25 Klogon wrote:
Of course we support all events as we want to scene to grow, but we are also proud to be honest, fair-handed, and tactful with our well researched news commentaries and assessments. But it is not as if they pay us to give them good press, as far as I know. They aren't? Personally, I don't mind that the TL feature be a bit harsh at times. Too soft with everyone, people will start calling us "TL Fluffy News." I dont think that counts as TL getting money to hype them. I could have a product i want to advertise that is relevant to the gaming community. I could pay TL to post my stuff in that section. Does not mean i sponsor TL and they are obligated to talk me up. I basically paid for Ad space. At least that is my understanding on that matter~! And on the TT1 matter - i hope we didnt mess up his play and he gets self conscious now lol. Like if he really cares about what ppl are saying about him, he might go for a macro game vs using a "cheesy" strat he could see a win with, and lose because of it. Interesting. :O
Except that these tournament "spaces" are not just places for tournament organizers to post stuff but are actively updated and maintained by TeamLiquid staff. I'm not against this (though of course its not like that really matters), but it just seemed that the preview article was more critical than any of them I have read. I am all for unbiased journalism regarding Esports and would actively support efforts to provide it, however again as Kennigit stated (I refer to him as I would assume he would have a behind-the-scenes view of TL more than anyone else sans Hotbid etc.) TeamLiquid isn't in a position to provide this due to their relationships with Leagues from a business standpoint. Articles like these seem to fall under staff content as opposed to user content in my eyes for what it's worth.
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hero is dead. Noone on earth can endure that much jetlag. This isn't europe to america jetlag. It's half way around the earth jetlag.
I believe hero went to MLG, Dreamhack, GSL and now going to NASL. Honestly, this will feel like a torture.
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I like this banner more than the official one XD
Here's to NASL delivering when it counts. Firstly because I will watch it and I want to be entertained, and secondly because a league of NASL's proportions failing is not good, no matter how you flip it.
Lastly, Hero fighting!
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Did you call orb a play-by-play caster?
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