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mordk
Chile8385 Posts
Alcohol and a "chill" environment, however, can turn ANYTHING popular. If young adult society sees gamers just, hanging out and being social instead of "lurking in basements", it's suddenly much more normal and something people can relate themselves with. I cannot express how fucking genius the concept of barcraft is. | ||
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akori
United Kingdom3 Posts
 http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=289805 Big thanks for anyone willng to | ||
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CosmosXAM
United States121 Posts
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Eviscerador
Spain286 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:16 Markwerf wrote: I still can't understand that a bar would actually be interested in showing starcraft. In most european countries that would still be incredibly difficult . Gaming is still socially not cool and many people including me will not say there are gamers just because it sounds stupid, for that reason it simply wouldn't attract big crowds. Also the fans don't seem like the lucrative crowd for a bar because they don't drink much, football is simply way better to show. In holland watching sports in a bar is unusual anyway compared to other countries and I don't see this becoming big anytime soon. I guess it could work on the days when there is nothing else going on like monday evening etc. but on friday and saturday night this just has no chance. Also, most bar owners prefer to please the mainstream customers than some geeks watching little soldiers on TV. The only barcraft hosted in Spain was in Barcelona last weekend for DHW, and the owner just said on the main announce "I'm sorry but the Barcraft will close at 8 Pm on saturday because it is saturday night and we can't let the "soldiers and martians" to be there all night. Most of the people I know that were interested didn't go because of that mocking sentence. | ||
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bbm
United Kingdom1320 Posts
On November 28 2011 00:16 Markwerf wrote: Also the fans don't seem like the lucrative crowd for a bar because they don't drink much, football is simply way better to show. While you raise good points, I dispute this. While football fans probably drink more, barcraft events go on longer. A football fan is gonna be in the pub for a few hours tops. MLG goes on all day. Also, I don't speak for everyone else but last few barcrafts I got verrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrry drunk | ||
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Tachion
Canada8573 Posts
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Nizaris
Belgium2230 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:46 Eviscerador wrote: Also, most bar owners prefer to please the mainstream customers than some geeks watching little soldiers on TV. The only barcraft hosted in Spain was in Barcelona last weekend for DHW, and the owner just said on the main announce "I'm sorry but the Barcraft will close at 8 Pm on saturday because it is saturday night and we can't let the "soldiers and martians" to be there all night. Most of the people I know that were interested didn't go because of that mocking sentence. loooool. soldiers and martians. ya i would have been pretty offended aswell. Pretty sure it would be very similar here in Belgium. There was maybe one barcraft (and 1 or 2 that got canceled) and it was in flanders :/ | ||
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wireke
Belgium122 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:09 Nizaris wrote: loooool. soldiers and martians. ya i would have been pretty offended aswell. Pretty sure it would be very similar here in Belgium. There was maybe one barcraft (and 1 or 2 that got canceled) and it was in flanders :/ Last 2 weekends we had 4 in Flanders ( 2 Ghent, 1 Antwerp , 1 Leuven ). Most of them, around 30 people showed up. If you want Barcrafts in the Walloons you should try and contact some local bars there. The difference between the 2 parts of Belgium is just ... enormous. Language, mentality, ... No way you can host a barcraft for both of them. | ||
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ikona
Poland47 Posts
On November 29 2011 01:46 Eviscerador wrote: Also, most bar owners prefer to please the mainstream customers than some geeks watching little soldiers on TV. The only barcraft hosted in Spain was in Barcelona last weekend for DHW, and the owner just said on the main announce "I'm sorry but the Barcraft will close at 8 Pm on saturday because it is saturday night and we can't let the "soldiers and martians" to be there all night. Most of the people I know that were interested didn't go because of that mocking sentence. Yeah i dont think the bars are places to take it to the next level. I'd really like to see a barcraft held in a cinema, its a perfect place in my opinion. They have superior technology, capacity and marketing to work with. Also there is no risk of alienating customers that have no interest in watching starcraft. | ||
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kakaman
United States1576 Posts
On November 29 2011 02:39 ikona wrote: Yeah i dont think the bars are places to take it to the next level. I'd really like to see a barcraft held in a cinema, its a perfect place in my opinion. They have superior technology, capacity and marketing to work with. Also there is no risk of alienating customers that have no interest in watching starcraft. I remember someone in Canada setting up an event in a movie theater for MLG or GSL and it was a big success. The problem is how are movie theaters going to monetize this? A movie runs for 2 hours with 6 showings a day x $10/ticket x 100 = $6,000. An MLG runs for say 10 hours a day, with 100 people in the theater, the movie theater has to charge $60 to break even. Kinda steep for people to spend $60 in a theater when they can go to a bar or watch at home for free. | ||
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wintamute
1 Post
1. BarCrafts last all day long, that's people buying food and drink all day, not just for a 90 min football game. 2. When you show a football game (or other sport) as a venue you have massive license fees to pay the broadcaster/rights holder, streaming a SC2 tournament is free. 3. SC2 tournaments like MLG often happen on a Sunday, a day when otherwise your venue would be near empty. | ||
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CcCFlu
Switzerland68 Posts
In switzerland we only had one half of the pub, while in the other half they were showing a football match Guess which half was freaking crowded  And saying that gaming isn't popular is just a bad excuse Manner the fuck up Btw i don't think football fans necessairly drink more than esports fans ^^ | ||
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Ph4ZeD
United Kingdom753 Posts
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CorbinDallas
United Kingdom8 Posts
This attitude that violence follows football really needs to be dropped, sure 30 years ago it was a problem but the way the reporter and some people in this thread are acting it would seem violence erupts every time a match is shown.. Secondly saying that a starcraft 2 player puts a concert pianist to shame is ludicrous and I think that takes away anything valid that guy has to say. He was clearly biased. terrible reporting. | ||
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