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Hey guys! If you want to argue that this tourney is "sexist" please make your own thread about it. | ||
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teer
United States189 Posts
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awwnuts07
United States621 Posts
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Cold-Blood
United States200 Posts
 haha either way should be a great and innovative tournament, excited to see how the winner follows it up in the pro scene! | ||
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McKTenor13
United States1383 Posts
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Pajegetc
United States3158 Posts
On November 11 2011 05:32 Waxangel wrote: SlayerS_Eve I assume is at the G-Star Convention in Korea, which is going on right now (also where the AoL II tourney is being played) really? I thought it had to do with that special slayers couple event tommorrow. | ||
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MuK_x
743 Posts
show this ladies,who is boss! | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On November 11 2011 07:18 TT1 wrote: wat the fuck why is my name always included in these female gamer threads, pls post the replay of me losing vs her Seems like a reasonable request. | ||
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Nabes
Canada1800 Posts
On November 11 2011 07:18 TT1 wrote: wat the fuck why is my name always included in these female gamer threads, pls post the replay of me losing vs her this is hilarious :D | ||
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ishyishy
United States826 Posts
As for the article itself: You give examples of one of them taking games off of pro or semi-pro players, then you say something like this "...as they grow confident and realize that the males can be beaten." Again this hints at what I said before about girls being afraid of losing to guys in a tournament. Do you think that this tournament will give them more confidence to enter something like MLG? I dont. Why would they want to go to an MLG when they can just do another one of these female-only tournaments instead? By hosting this tournament you are further encouraging that males and females remain separated in the gaming world. The only reason physical sports is different is because it is a PHYSICAL activity where males, in general, have a biologicial advantage. If there are any super smart scientists out there correct me if I am wrong, but THERE ARE NO mental advantages that males have over females. Guess what, starcraft 2 is a mental game, much like Poker or Chess. Here is another one that pissed me off: "I think these people just need to slow down and allow female gamers to adapt to competitive gaming, so they can slowly but steadily reach towards the same level as the males." I am a male player, does that mean I'm as good as NesTea and that I can beat every single one of these female gamers every single time? NOPE! Does that mean that I am not scared of playing against a pro player? NOPE. This isnt about "believing in female gaming." That kind of attitude does not help the community grow. On a side note, I have never once heard anyone ever say that someone cannot be good at a game because they are a girl. This article blows that kind of perspective way out of proportion. I've played games online for ~10 years. Do you know how many girls play WoW successfully? A ton. Yeah they role play and things like that, but every good raiding guild that Ive ever been in had at least 3-4 girls LEADING raids. They are competing per se, but they hold a position of respect in that community. I am not of the belief that I can change anyones mind about hosting this tournament or any other tournament. Sure, do your female-only tournaments, have fun, grow that community, but be aware that it can only hurt esports as a whole. "Yeah those girls only play in that divinia tournament because they are too afraid to enter a real tournament like MLG" <--- I hear this statement coming from all the other male gamers (or even female) in the furture if these tournaments become more common. If female gamers want more respect or feel like they are harassed in the community (which for the most part they aren't and most of the time it's in the form of harmless jokes with a gamer-driven mentality that any commpetitive gamer, male or female, has) then they should learn and improve together with everyone else. You think that you have heard the half of it? Try hosting a male-only tournament, I dare you. See what kind of shitstorm that raises if you think it has gone too far. | ||
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phyllis
Denmark41 Posts
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zyzski
United States698 Posts
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betamale
633 Posts
I'm sure some of that logic applies to female-only tournaments... | ||
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DwD
Sweden8621 Posts
On November 11 2011 07:18 TT1 wrote: wat the fuck why is my name always included in these female gamer threads, pls post the replay of me losing vs her Haha gogo post vod | ||
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Apollo_Shards
1210 Posts
On November 11 2011 07:18 TT1 wrote: wat the fuck why is my name always included in these female gamer threads, pls post the replay of me losing vs her TT1, derailing the female SC2 esteem train with the power of facts. | ||
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mango_destroyer
Canada3914 Posts
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labbe
Sweden1456 Posts
On November 11 2011 07:50 ishyishy wrote: This article does not change my opinion of this event. I think that this is the reason why female gamers get little to no respect. At least in my eyes, the fact that this is a female-only event makes it seem like they are afraid of entering a normal tournament. I know that is not the case 99% of the time, but I am saying it hints very strongly towards that opinion. As for the article itself: You give examples of one of them taking games off of pro or semi-pro players, then you say something like this "...as they grow confident and realize that the males can be beaten." Again this hints at what I said before about girls being afraid of losing to guys in a tournament. Do you think that this tournament will give them more confidence to enter something like MLG? I dont. Why would they want to go to an MLG when they can just do another one of these female-only tournaments instead? By hosting this tournament you are further encouraging that males and females remain separated in the gaming world. The only reason physical sports is different is because it is a PHYSICAL activity where males, in general, have a biologicial advantage. If there are any super smart scientists out there correct me if I am wrong, but THERE ARE NO mental advantages that males have over females. Guess what, starcraft 2 is a mental game, much like Poker or Chess. Here is another one that pissed me off: "I think these people just need to slow down and allow female gamers to adapt to competitive gaming, so they can slowly but steadily reach towards the same level as the males." I am a male player, does that mean I'm as good as NesTea and that I can beat every single one of these female gamers every single time? NOPE! Does that mean that I am not scared of playing against a pro player? NOPE. This isnt about "believing in female gaming." That kind of attitude does not help the community grow. On a side note, I have never once heard anyone ever say that someone cannot be good at a game because they are a girl. This article blows that kind of perspective way out of proportion. I've played games online for ~10 years. Do you know how many girls play WoW successfully? A ton. Yeah they role play and things like that, but every good raiding guild that Ive ever been in had at least 3-4 girls LEADING raids. They are competing per se, but they hold a position of respect in that community. I am not of the belief that I can change anyones mind about hosting this tournament or any other tournament. Sure, do your female-only tournaments, have fun, grow that community, but be aware that it can only hurt esports as a whole. "Yeah those girls only play in that divinia tournament because they are too afraid to enter a real tournament like MLG" <--- I hear this statement coming from all the other male gamers (or even female) in the furture if these tournaments become more common. If female gamers want more respect or feel like they are harassed in the community (which for the most part they aren't and most of the time it's in the form of harmless jokes with a gamer-driven mentality that any commpetitive gamer, male or female, has) then they should learn and improve together with everyone else. You think that you have heard the half of it? Try hosting a male-only tournament, I dare you. See what kind of shitstorm that raises if you think it has gone too far. Take this shit in a blog post. No ones gives a crap and this is not the right thread to discuss the concept of female only tournaments. | ||
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Stealth.
United States115 Posts
hwaiting~ | ||
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Shel
United States104 Posts
The reason I say the OP is sexist is simple. He's saying that we need female only tournaments for women to join the scene. First off, women aren't going to have any idea these tournaments exist unless they're already PART of the scene. Secondly, this implies that women need special treatment, segregation, to be interested in gaming. Who here believes that? Look at Clan PMS. These girls are amazing. They compete, and sometimes dominate, in a myriad of different games. They do it for the competition, for the fun, for the comraderie, because they have passion for the game and gaming in general. Do you think a single one of the women in this tournament think the themselves "well, I was going to practice hard and play in tournaments, but I can't because I'm just a girl, and girls can't compete with guys". The OP is suggesting they do. That's sexist. Women who play video games are GAMERS. Period. The reason there are few women at the higher levels of SC2 is unknowable, but what we do know is that the percentage of women versus men is infintesimal. There are maybe, what, 3 dozen amazing SC2 players in the entire world? 5 dozen maybe? The reason women aren't represented isn't because women can't compete, that they are somehow disabled as the OP would suggest. Women aren't represented because of odds. Even out the number of men and women who play SC2 competitively, and there will be relatively the same number of women as men in the champ bracket of major tournaments. Guaranteed. | ||
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Kazeyonoma
United States2912 Posts
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Kergy
Peru2011 Posts
On November 11 2011 08:25 Shel wrote: The OP is sexist. Period. I'm not saying the tournament is sexist. Look at the girls involved. They're all very good looking. So are the casters. One of the girls is a diamond player. How exactly did she make the list of the best female gamers in the world? This tournament is a publicity stunt. He said there were 12 girls considered. I want to see the list of the other 6. Let me see if you weeded them out based on looks or talent, cause you have a very good looking DIAMOND player in a tourney for 10k and you're claiming she has a chance. Are you ignorant or manipulative? This seems like a publicity stunt to me, operating under the idea that sex sells. I mean, even the format is terrible, and doesn't make sense for the largest prize pool in a female only tournament in the history of SC2. The reason I say the OP is sexist is simple. He's saying that we need female only tournaments for women to join the scene. First off, women aren't going to have any idea these tournaments exist unless they're already PART of the scene. Secondly, this implies that women need special treatment, segregation, to be interested in gaming. Who here believes that? Look at Clan PMS. These girls are amazing. They compete, and sometimes dominate, in a myriad of different games. They do it for the competition, for the fun, for the comraderie, because they have passion for the game and gaming in general. Do you think a single one of the women in this tournament think the themselves "well, I was going to practice hard and play in tournaments, but I can't because I'm just a girl, and girls can't compete with guys". The OP is suggesting they do. That's sexist. Women who play video games are GAMERS. Period. The reason there are few women at the higher levels of SC2 is unknowable, but what we do know is that the percentage of women versus men is infintesimal. There are maybe, what, 3 dozen amazing SC2 players in the entire world? 5 dozen maybe? The reason women aren't represented isn't because women can't compete, that they are somehow disabled as the OP would suggest. Women aren't represented because of odds. Even out the number of men and women who play SC2 competitively, and there will be relatively the same number of women as men in the champ bracket of major tournaments. Guaranteed. No. There are few 'good' female players because SC2's target demographic is made up of mostly males. Plus, I don't anyone here clicked the thread because they wanted to "rethink their morals" or see some dude whining because people are enjoying something he doesn't. People came here for entertainment and good games  aphrodite fighting! | ||
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