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On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote:
Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won?
This.
I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results...
Blizzard is mentally retarded as usual.
Cool to see all the new hacks emerging like the marine split hack on reddit at the moment.... I hope blizzard actually acts remotely quickly this time (though I have 0 faith that they will)
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On October 06 2011 01:42 Frightmare wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:31 Sighstorm wrote:
Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic? I'm sure it IS encrypted already. The problem is this only increases the time needed to develop the hack. What r1ch was suggesting was complete serverside detection of win/loss which would be very challenging except in the case of one player losing all their buildings.
Ah, ok. I'm not an expert by any means... it's just... it shouldn't be rocket science, right? At least i hope sites and programs from banks, governments and pokersites aren't as easily manipulated. :/
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On October 06 2011 02:10 -orb- wrote:Show nested quote +On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote:
Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won? This. I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results... Blizzard is mentally retarded as usual. Cool to see all the new hacks emerging like the marine split hack on reddit at the moment.... I hope blizzard actually acts remotely quickly this time (though I have 0 faith that they will)
That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
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On October 06 2011 01:52 ajabberwok wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:44 Vallz wrote:On October 06 2011 01:42 ajabberwok wrote:On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote:
I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit)
And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy. Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same? It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative. He has EU and US account. EU : http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1361059/1/Zelthcon/US : http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2079740/1/Zelthcon/I dont have any evidence that he doesnt or he does, I just dont believe it untill I get 100% certain information. You said that 'he has EU and US account', so how do you know for sure that these are the same human being using both accounts? The EU Zelthcon has zerg as the most played race, and the US Zelthcon has protoss as the most played race. The US Zelthcon is the one shown in the original post with evidence of cheeting.
Its the same guy cuz I know him...
He offraces on his NA account mostly. Plus on the community website mixed fruit he has sc2 sigantures linking to both of those accounts with Sc2sig.com thingy
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My favorite part is how mad he gets when he loses. Because you just know what's going through his head is something along the lines of "WTF! I'm awesome and hacking, I can't be beat! THis guy must be cheating!"
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Ok guys ive got some info for you.
Ive met this zelthcon (he is part of a community called Mixed Fruits, basically trolls anon) i was once in a conversation where he was talking about his coding and saying "im just seeing how good i can get before i decide which game to produce a hack for" - basically the guys a hack dev.
So all in all i think the odds are against him with this one, im 100% sure he's hacking.
I have no proof of this conversation as it was yonks back and i thought nothing of it (dont give a f**k to be honest, but its in SC2 now.)
He's also begged players in the MF community to go click on ads so he makes money, trololol.
And yeah, the proof is in the pudding above with "is it the same dude" most likely. Look at the other dudes posts, links to the accounts in his sigs on forums, offracing which i knew about. All true 
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On October 06 2011 02:14 Sighstorm wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:42 Frightmare wrote:On October 06 2011 01:31 Sighstorm wrote:
Couldn't it be solved by just encrypting the message, so it will be harder for to create a message that BNET accepts as authentic? I'm sure it IS encrypted already. The problem is this only increases the time needed to develop the hack. What r1ch was suggesting was complete serverside detection of win/loss which would be very challenging except in the case of one player losing all their buildings. Ah, ok. I'm not an expert by any means... it's just... it shouldn't be rocket science, right? At least i hope sites and programs from banks, governments and pokersites aren't as easily manipulated. :/
Its an inherent flaw in the fact that the majority of the time the loss condition is never met and the only way to determine that a player surrendered is to receive a message from the player that they did. Lots of people saying lol @ client sending loss message but nobody offering a solution.
Perhaps the solution is to send the same message whenever a player leaves a game under any condition and the first msg received is determined to be the loser? Mere speculation because I have no idea what the code looks like.
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On October 06 2011 01:31 .Sic. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote:
Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes. i have a replay? why dont you just go take a look at my profile and his to confirm with your own eyes.
A replay would merely show that he left a game. In the match history it shows that he lost a game (but not points) and that's exactly how losing a custom game shows up. However...
On October 06 2011 01:19 dcemuser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote:
Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes. Go google "results disagree sc2". This isn't photoshopped (nor is it a new hack even). Google posts on the subject date back to over a year ago.
This makes me think that it's more legitimate. Still, though, there's no concrete proof other than stories for it, so I can't be 100% certain (although it'd be weird if it weren't the case).
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I just played him on the ladder and won. It said he left so I clicked score screen, but I got the loss. I didn't lose or gain any points though. It said "Results Disagree" at the top of the score screen.
![[image loading]](http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/3519/zelthcon.png)
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result disagree ahahaha thats so awesome :D
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To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team.
I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members.
With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards
Gyroscope
-Mixed Fruit Founder-
*EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
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On October 06 2011 02:45 CapnAmerica wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:31 .Sic. wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote:
Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes. i have a replay? why dont you just go take a look at my profile and his to confirm with your own eyes. A replay would merely show that he left a game. In the match history it shows that he lost a game (but not points) and that's exactly how losing a custom game shows up. However... Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:19 dcemuser wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On October 06 2011 01:15 CapnAmerica wrote:
Uhh... I just took a good look at the pictures and, truth be told, it just looks like you played a custom game against this guy (which he lost) and then photoshopped "Results Disagree" in where "Victory" should be. I might be wrong, but this doesn't look legit to me at all. All of these screens can easily be acquired from playing a regular custom game (with the exception of that text).
Looks like a hoax, to my eyes. Go google "results disagree sc2". This isn't photoshopped (nor is it a new hack even). Google posts on the subject date back to over a year ago. This makes me think that it's more legitimate. Still, though, there's no concrete proof other than stories for it, so I can't be 100% certain (although it'd be weird if it weren't the case).
I explicitly state in the OP that I was looking at his 1v1 match history, WHICH ONLY SHOWS LADDER MATCHES, AND NOT CUSTOM GAMES. The only way you could be not losing points while losing on ladder is if you have 0 points. However, we notice that he gains a win and 42 points, which means he atleast has 42 points. BUT HE DOESNT LOSE ANY POINTS FOR LOSING AFTERWARDS. I hope this clarifies things.
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On October 06 2011 01:44 Vallz wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 01:42 ajabberwok wrote:On October 06 2011 01:34 Vallz wrote:
I actually know Zelthcon since we are in the same community in EU (mixed fruit)
And I really doubt that he cheats, hes a nice guy. Do you have any comments about the evidence itself presented in the original post? What is the character code of the the 'Zelthcon' you know and the one mentioned in the original post - they are the same? It's good that you think some person is a nice guy, but it's not informative. He has EU and US account. EU : http://eu.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/1361059/1/Zelthcon/US : http://us.battle.net/sc2/en/profile/2079740/1/Zelthcon/I dont have any evidence that he doesnt or he does, I just dont believe it untill I get 100% certain information.
The OP provides 100% certain information... I don't understand how you can deny the replay and his match history with non-hard-evidence such as "he seems like a nice guy."
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On October 06 2011 03:19 Gyroscope wrote:
To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team.
I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members.
With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards
Gyroscope
-Mixed Fruit Founder-
*EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT*
Done. Hopefully my post didn't give any bad rep to your team. That wasn't my intention.
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It will not, he was just a member of the community not the actual team.
He always just created trouble anyway by harassing the members of Mixed Fruit etc.
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On October 06 2011 02:15 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:10 -orb- wrote:On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote:
Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won? This. I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results... Blizzard is mentally retarded as usual. Cool to see all the new hacks emerging like the marine split hack on reddit at the moment.... I hope blizzard actually acts remotely quickly this time (though I have 0 faith that they will) That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
Please don't talk out of your ass when you have literally no clue whatsoever what you're talking about.
The game was played on ladder, not on some custom game with mods. You can see in the video the action (from the player) to send literally every single marine in a different direction and you can see in the video that every click is literally at the exact same time (perfect synchronization literally physically impossible for a human to accomplish).
It's a hack.
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On October 06 2011 03:35 .Sic. wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 03:19 Gyroscope wrote:
To certify a couple of things.
Yes, Zelthcon was a member of Mixed Fruit and is a real life friend of Ceonsamea the co-founder of Mixed Fruit.
Mixed Fruit is strictly against any cheats/hacks used in Starcraft2 and is working soley in the subject of coaching players as well as just recently trying to find our way into the e-sports scene of Starcraft2 by making a Starcraft2 Team.
I for one does not recognize Zelthcon as one of our members since we have had countless amount of troubles started by him i.e his flaming problems which has been a common thing.
We no longer associate to Zelthcon as one of our members.
With that said I have made my clarification!
Best Regards
Gyroscope
-Mixed Fruit Founder-
*EDIT: Would be very grateful if this message could be displayed as a "sticky" in this topic. *EDIT* Done. Hopefully my post didn't give any bad rep to your team. That wasn't my intention.
Mf are just trolls not hackers <3
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On October 06 2011 02:15 Warlock40 wrote:Show nested quote +On October 06 2011 02:10 -orb- wrote:On October 05 2011 11:46 R1CH wrote:
Oh Blizzard, still trusting the client to tell them who won? This. I don't understand when Blizzard makes us be connected through battle.net 100% of the time as opposed to client-to-client (like in brood war) why they can't just have the server decide results... Blizzard is mentally retarded as usual. Cool to see all the new hacks emerging like the marine split hack on reddit at the moment.... I hope blizzard actually acts remotely quickly this time (though I have 0 faith that they will) That's a youtube link of a cool marine split that could have been a custom mod for all we know. How do you know it's a hack? More information needed as to whether it was on ladder or not, who was playing, etc. If it was really a hack, there should be a TL thread for it, not just some reddit post.
Looool... really?
You can see this is a replay with a person's name under the replay timeline.
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EPT![[image loading]](http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/830/zelthcon.png/)
