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This just got me to watch idra's stream more often. Thanks for the advertisement. Idra's bm is so hilarious I love it. Never change idra.
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On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 08:51 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:47 ReignFayth wrote:
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meh come on it's irrelevent, you'd do this even if SC2 had been around for 10 years how many top flight bw pros did i legitimately call bad? i say legitimately because someone will point out how i said free's micro wasnt actually micro, but on the whole ive always respected good players. the structure of esports and particularly sc2 means that im playing with and occasionally competing with people who are actually bad by objective standards. and the design of sc2 means its possible for them to beat me through no merit of their own. I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team  i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless.
I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional.
Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it.
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idra placing as top non korean at a mlg or two as zerg is a good skill toi have.
I think hes good , definatly not as good as he could be 
But thats life.
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On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 08:51 IdrA wrote:
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how many top flight bw pros did i legitimately call bad? i say legitimately because someone will point out how i said free's micro wasnt actually micro, but on the whole ive always respected good players. the structure of esports and particularly sc2 means that im playing with and occasionally competing with people who are actually bad by objective standards. and the design of sc2 means its possible for them to beat me through no merit of their own. I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it.
I mostly agree with your second point but I do not feel that IdrA's lack of tournament wins have anything do with the quality of play he encounters on the NA ladder, which is often, in fact, low.
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That was a great video, I laughed quite a few times
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That was the single greatest thing I've ever watched, you win the internet, here's your trophy
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On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 08:51 IdrA wrote:
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how many top flight bw pros did i legitimately call bad? i say legitimately because someone will point out how i said free's micro wasnt actually micro, but on the whole ive always respected good players. the structure of esports and particularly sc2 means that im playing with and occasionally competing with people who are actually bad by objective standards. and the design of sc2 means its possible for them to beat me through no merit of their own. I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it.
You can't say that IdrA doesn't know what he's talking about. Just because you don't win every tournament doesn't mean that you are not a person who understands the game. If you ever watch state of the game you can listen to Tyler analyze the shit out of any protoss matchup, many times leaving the rest of the panel speechless. You don't have to win tournaments to know what you're talking about.
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On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 08:51 IdrA wrote:
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how many top flight bw pros did i legitimately call bad? i say legitimately because someone will point out how i said free's micro wasnt actually micro, but on the whole ive always respected good players. the structure of esports and particularly sc2 means that im playing with and occasionally competing with people who are actually bad by objective standards. and the design of sc2 means its possible for them to beat me through no merit of their own. I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it.
so you're saying yellow was bad at sc1 then?
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I have to say...that video was pretty short in terms of Idra quotes.
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No matter how u look at it Idras whole BM makes no sense at all either he is the most consistent Troll ever or just super stupid. I mean come on " I am losing cause he doesnt know how to play" haha how irrational is this if u cant win someone like this u wont ever be able to win anything and thats a FACT.
I mean dont get me wrong everytime i see Idra cast or say sth not related to zerg beeing UP i love him and i think outside of sc2 he is a rly nice guy but he is the worst sportsman ever. 1. with this attiutde he wont win anything and 2. he looks like a 13 year old kid doing this. It is jsut awful to watch
It doesnt matter if he is jsut bitching around on ladder the fact he looses to those awful players just shows he has a big whole in his playstyle and as long as he keeps this stupid attitude he wont improve . Instead of trying to solve the problems he is facing he hopes blizz is doing the job 4 him... poor guy wasting all his talent... why bitching around like a little sissi and blaming everything but urself for ur loss - better show us some godlike play like neastea or fruitdealer and if Blizz makes a patch to balance out things, ok be happy, but if they dont just try it even harder .
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I've gotta watch his stream more...
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On September 20 2011 11:02 Nakama wrote:
No matter how u look at it Idras whole BM makes no sense at all either he is the most consistent Troll ever or just super stupid. I mean come on " I am losing cause he doesnt know how to play" haha how irrational is this if u cant win someone like this u wont ever be able to win anything and thats a FACT.
I mean dont get me wrong everytime i see Idra cast or say sth not related to zerg beeing UP i love him and i think outside of sc2 he is a rly nice guy but he is the worst sportsman ever. 1. with this attiutde he wont win anything and 2. he looks like a 13 year old kid doing this. It is jsut awful to watch
It doesnt matter if he is jsut bitching around on ladder the fact he looses to those awful players just shows he has a big whole in his playstyle and as long as he keeps this stupid attitude he wont improve . Instead of trying to solve the problems he is facing he hopes blizz is doing the job 4 him... poor guy wasting all his talent... why bitching around like a little sissi and blaming everything but urself for ur loss - better show us some godlike play like neastea or fruitdealer and if Blizz makes a patch to balance out things, ok be happy, but if they dont just try it even harder .
lmfao
Did you know that NesTea and Fruit Dealer were among the forefront of Zerg complaining from november though around April?
That only that, but the ultralisk splash bug patch played a major role in FD vs oGsTOP game 3 on Kulas, which lead to FD taking a championship. Unless you think 13 thors with 2-1 Thors lose to 8 1-2 ultras without their armor upgrade.
If you think he isn't "trying to improve" and is just waiting for patches, you are delusional.
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is there any player that idra thinks is good? lol everyone he was playing were complete trashes and fucking imbeciles in his opinion
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"Terran micro is silly"
That made my day.
<3 Idra
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On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 08:51 IdrA wrote:
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how many top flight bw pros did i legitimately call bad? i say legitimately because someone will point out how i said free's micro wasnt actually micro, but on the whole ive always respected good players. the structure of esports and particularly sc2 means that im playing with and occasionally competing with people who are actually bad by objective standards. and the design of sc2 means its possible for them to beat me through no merit of their own. I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it.
I don't know; he usually gets top 1-2 non-Korean at most of those tourneys and is generally only behind HuK/Nani/Thorzain (whoever had a good run).
On September 20 2011 11:10 ZOMGitsTHEEND wrote:
is there any player that idra thinks is good? lol everyone he was playing were complete trashes and fucking imbeciles in his opinion
Yeah but none of them really ladder, at least not on NA.
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On September 20 2011 11:05 SafeAsCheese wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 11:02 Nakama wrote:
No matter how u look at it Idras whole BM makes no sense at all either he is the most consistent Troll ever or just super stupid. I mean come on " I am losing cause he doesnt know how to play" haha how irrational is this if u cant win someone like this u wont ever be able to win anything and thats a FACT.
I mean dont get me wrong everytime i see Idra cast or say sth not related to zerg beeing UP i love him and i think outside of sc2 he is a rly nice guy but he is the worst sportsman ever. 1. with this attiutde he wont win anything and 2. he looks like a 13 year old kid doing this. It is jsut awful to watch
It doesnt matter if he is jsut bitching around on ladder the fact he looses to those awful players just shows he has a big whole in his playstyle and as long as he keeps this stupid attitude he wont improve . Instead of trying to solve the problems he is facing he hopes blizz is doing the job 4 him... poor guy wasting all his talent... why bitching around like a little sissi and blaming everything but urself for ur loss - better show us some godlike play like neastea or fruitdealer and if Blizz makes a patch to balance out things, ok be happy, but if they dont just try it even harder . lmfao Did you know that NesTea and Fruit Dealer were among the forefront of Zerg complaining from november though around April? That only that, but the ultralisk splash bug patch played a major role in FD vs oGsTOP game 3 on Kulas, which lead to FD taking a championship. Unless you think 13 thors with 2-1 Thors lose to 8 1-2 ultras without their armor upgrade. If you think he isn't "trying to improve" and is just waiting for patches, you are delusional.
He is trying to imrpove but with this mindset he isnt going anywhere . And i dont want to say it isnt legit to complain about balnce issuse but as long as other human beeings can win the biggest tourney out there i dont think bitching around like this vs palyers 10000X worse then most of the GSL players is helpfull at all.
And btw im thinking too that Idra is above most if not all of the palyers he is BMing but that makes his Bm even worse. I mean how stupid can u be to conistently loose to worse palyers then urself ?? The point neither u nor IDra get is that the diffrence between him and nestea is only a diffrence in their mindset and not in their "measurable" skill .
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On September 20 2011 10:45 turdburgler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:[quote] I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it. so you're saying yellow was bad at sc1 then?
Yellow never complaint about balance or his opponent did a dumb tactic that somehow worked and won him the game. he trained and practise hard. See that's the difference. Also comparing Yellow to Idra is abit off to say it gently.
What im saying is if Idra was in fact Nestea it will hold much more credence when he speaks about balance or whom is bad or good. So when an average player start raging about how op Protoss, Terran is and how stupid ZvZ is. it really don't say much, all it does its fuel the discussion about balance instead of the players.
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On September 20 2011 11:20 hmunkey wrote:Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 10:24 Lunas wrote:On September 20 2011 10:14 Defacer wrote:On September 20 2011 09:51 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:45 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:44 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:41 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 09:34 ReignFayth wrote:On September 20 2011 09:27 IdrA wrote:On September 20 2011 08:57 ReignFayth wrote:[quote] I honestly don't know about your entire history of calling people bad, I just know you tend to call people bad on the fly based on your emotions particularly huk.. and then you changed your mind when he joined ur team i referenced huk as the proper way to play pvz on itg or sotg quite a while before he joined eg you still called him horrible after you lost to him more than once, as I said, you make these statements when you're mad winning games doesnt make a player not horrible. being good does. how are we supposed to judge someone who's good from someone who isn't if it isn't from actual overall results...? which consists of wins and losses lol watching them play? then it just kind of becomes a matter of opinion, you're gonna judge according to the level you consider yourself to be at, same goes for every other competitive players Dude, there is such a thing as an educated opinion and not all opinions are created equal. You'd trust a physicist's opinion on string theory more than a plumber's. There are definitely objective observations you could make about one's play that may judged in relation to your experience of better players, but not be considered wholly subjective or unjustifiable. Sorry for butting in. Edit: IdrA may be blunt and extreme in how he expresses his opinions, but they're not baseless. I would agree if Idra won every MLG, Dreamhack, NASL, IGN, IEM, TSL however he don't matter in fact he is not even doing well. So when he says a player is crap and the only reason he lost was because his opponent did some dumb tactic then its rather delusional. Personally I don't think Idra will do very well in the future until he change his mindset but gl to him him nonetheless I just don't see it. I don't know; he usually gets top 1-2 non-Korean at most of those tourneys and is generally only behind HuK/Nani/Thorzain (whoever had a good run). Show nested quote +On September 20 2011 11:10 ZOMGitsTHEEND wrote:
is there any player that idra thinks is good? lol everyone he was playing were complete trashes and fucking imbeciles in his opinion Yeah but none of them really ladder, at least not on NA.
You must be speaking about MLG? I guarantee you if more of the top EU players would attend MLG he will be even futher behind. Also he couldn't qualify to the NASL finals, he placed 7 at IGN season 2 and 20 last MLG. I wouldn't call Idra play atm anything else then average.
Dont get me wrong he is still very good but he could be so much better if he changed his mindset.
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