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IPA
Profile Joined August 2010
United States3206 Posts
September 16 2011 17:30 GMT
#161
Dude...excellent post. Thank you for all the work.
Time held me green and dying though I sang in my chains like the sea.
MuseMike
Profile Joined March 2011
United States1339 Posts
September 16 2011 17:30 GMT
#162
You are a god, thank you.
Sennap
Profile Joined December 2010
Iceland88 Posts
September 16 2011 17:30 GMT
#163
Awesome thread! Thank you very much! I wonder how often the player with the higher SQ wins the game
BluemoonSC
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
SoCal8925 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 17:34:38
September 16 2011 17:30 GMT
#164
i find it very interesting that low-level players tend to over-make workers in the beginning of the game. i would imagine that throughout the game they were UNDER-making them.

i definitely find this post interesting and i believe that the correlation betweeen not spending your money and your league placement is there (as if i didn't believe most of the pros that say this anyway when giving their lessons )

EDIT: i hate to be a math-nazi, but thats not a histogram
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xai_death
Profile Joined February 2011
Netherlands65 Posts
September 16 2011 17:31 GMT
#165
Lol, my average SQ seems to be around 45 and I'm in platinum, guess I now know what to focus on ^^. I'll try to write a little tool to mass-analyze replays for average SQ, maybe a SC2Gears plugin if their API allows it. I'll pm you if I have one.
Be sure to check out my stream!
foobahz
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
China68 Posts
September 16 2011 17:33 GMT
#166
Need clarification on how to get I and U if it's not from averages on the scoreboard please..
Eschaton
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1245 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 17:33:51
September 16 2011 17:33 GMT
#167
I am a scientist and I approve of this post.

I've long wanted to do something like this, but without a reasonable interface for acquiring large amounts of data it appears quite onerous to do what you've done. Best case would be for Blizzard to provide some kind of API for match/player records on the server, or just dump giant spreadsheets for the community after every season. These things are taken seriously in every other sport, but its just hard to have the right numbers to crunch with SC2.

Hopefully your post will show the value of looking at the game this way, and we'll get more interest in stats and availability of data.
Xaeldaren
Profile Joined June 2010
Ireland588 Posts
September 16 2011 17:34 GMT
#168
I'd love to calculate my SQ but I'm completely illiterate when it comes to Excel...I'm even using the 2000 version. Could anyone give me a hand and tell me how to go about it?
Carras
Profile Joined August 2010
Argentina860 Posts
September 16 2011 17:35 GMT
#169
you should apload an excel or sth so we can track our own games =)
also..you should analize different matchups too ! instead of only refering to a race
dLKnighT
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Canada735 Posts
September 16 2011 17:37 GMT
#170
Best article, well done.
MockHamill
Profile Joined March 2010
Sweden1798 Posts
September 16 2011 17:37 GMT
#171
A really fantastic post! I really hope your calculation will become integrated in Sc2gears so that you can check out your SQ without having to calculate manually.
Horuku
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States405 Posts
September 16 2011 17:38 GMT
#172
There are so many unreliable variables in this analysis that I am having a hard time accepting this as hard fact and more of speculation. Still, it seems like a good generalist analysis. Also, would have been interested in how you derived the SQ formula. I'm sure there are more variables you could include in your differential equation construction to improve the accuracy of all this analysis.

Try not to use so many "Interestingly"s to start off your sentences next time!
d<^^>b
MetalLobster
Profile Joined May 2011
Canada532 Posts
September 16 2011 17:40 GMT
#173
Excellent post, possibly the best one I have read so far. I hope big leagues look at this and possibly use it as measure of macro skill.
TheLight
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia410 Posts
September 16 2011 17:41 GMT
#174
On September 17 2011 02:34 Xaeldaren wrote:
I'd love to calculate my SQ but I'm completely illiterate when it comes to Excel...I'm even using the 2000 version. Could anyone give me a hand and tell me how to go about it?


Here's a Excel 2000 template: http://www.mediafire.com/?h1cd1f2kdj16p6f

Just put in your numbers and it'll do the rest for you.
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galtdunn
Profile Joined March 2011
United States977 Posts
September 16 2011 17:41 GMT
#175
This is so awesome! :D Way to put in this much work. I hope you didnt have anything better to do xD
Thanks for the write up tho, great to see a way that the different leagues are ranked out on average.

How long did it take to compile all this data?
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ReturnStroke
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
United States801 Posts
September 16 2011 17:41 GMT
#176
What a great study, great job. I never thought you would get results this conclusive. Thanks a lot for your hard work!
TiTanIum_
Profile Joined August 2011
Brazil1335 Posts
September 16 2011 17:41 GMT
#177
This is just amazing. Great post, and gratz for the 500 posts.

I just need to play 10 games as Terran again to see how I fare. I have been playing as zerg for the past week or so, and my practice is just to make drones and lose (yesterday I was in 6 base against a Terran in 2, with 140 drones and 17000 mineral banked )
Impervious
Profile Blog Joined March 2009
Canada4222 Posts
September 16 2011 17:41 GMT
#178
Wow. Awesome stuff!

On September 17 2011 01:52 Ihsahn wrote:
Is there any way this index could be integrated into sc2gears? I think that could help a lot!

Seriously, this is a good idea.
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Hider
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Denmark9443 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-09-16 17:42:40
September 16 2011 17:42 GMT
#179
On September 17 2011 02:41 TheLight wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 17 2011 02:34 Xaeldaren wrote:
I'd love to calculate my SQ but I'm completely illiterate when it comes to Excel...I'm even using the 2000 version. Could anyone give me a hand and tell me how to go about it?


Here's a Excel 2000 template: http://www.mediafire.com/?h1cd1f2kdj16p6f

Just put in your numbers and it'll do the rest for you.


nevermin d.
oxxo
Profile Joined February 2010
988 Posts
September 16 2011 17:43 GMT
#180
AUR isn't a good measure.

Low leagues aren't going to max out because of their lack of income.
High leagues are going to max out and generate a bank.
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