• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EDT 11:26
CET 16:26
KST 00:26
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
[ASL21] Ro24 Preview Pt1: New Chaos0Team Liquid Map Contest #22 - Presented by Monster Energy7ByuL: The Forgotten Master of ZvT30Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book20Clem wins HomeStory Cup 289
Community News
Weekly Cups (March 16-22): herO doubles, Cure surprises3Blizzard Classic Cup @ BlizzCon 2026 - $100k prize pool48Weekly Cups (March 9-15): herO, Clem, ByuN win42026 KungFu Cup Announcement6BGE Stara Zagora 2026 cancelled12
StarCraft 2
General
https://www.facebook.com/Silen.Sense.Calm.Ears.Ire What mix of new & old maps do you want in the next ladder pool? (SC2) Potential Updates Coming to the SC2 CN Server Behind the Blue - Team Liquid History Book herO wins SC2 All-Star Invitational
Tourneys
Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament RSL Season 4 announced for March-April StarCraft Evolution League (SC Evo Biweekly) WardiTV Mondays World University TeamLeague (500$+) | Signups Open
Strategy
Custom Maps
[M] (2) Frigid Storage Publishing has been re-enabled! [Feb 24th 2026]
External Content
The PondCast: SC2 News & Results Mutation # 518 Radiation Zone Mutation # 517 Distant Threat Mutation # 516 Specter of Death
Brood War
General
ASL21 General Discussion KK Platform will provide 1 million CNY Recent recommended BW games Gypsy to Korea RepMastered™: replay sharing and analyzer site
Tourneys
[ASL21] Ro24 Group C [ASL21] Ro24 Group A [Megathread] Daily Proleagues [ASL21] Ro24 Group B
Strategy
What's the deal with APM & what's its true value Fighting Spirit mining rates Simple Questions, Simple Answers
Other Games
General Games
General RTS Discussion Thread Nintendo Switch Thread Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Darkest Dungeon Path of Exile
Dota 2
The Story of Wings Gaming Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
G2 just beat GenG in First stand
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread Five o'clock TL Mafia Mafia Game Mode Feedback/Ideas Vanilla Mini Mafia
Community
General
US Politics Mega-thread The Games Industry And ATVI European Politico-economics QA Mega-thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread
Fan Clubs
The IdrA Fan Club
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece [Req][Books] Good Fantasy/SciFi books Movie Discussion!
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Cricket [SPORT] Formula 1 Discussion Tokyo Olympics 2021 Thread General nutrition recommendations
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
[G] How to Block Livestream Ads
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Funny Nicknames
LUCKY_NOOB
Money Laundering In Video Ga…
TrAiDoS
Iranian anarchists: organize…
XenOsky
FS++
Kraekkling
Shocked by a laser…
Spydermine0240
ASL S21 English Commentary…
namkraft
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 1016 users

UPDATE - SkillCraft: SC2 Expertise Research

Forum Index > SC2 General
Post a Reply
Normal
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 16 2011 17:11 GMT
#1
The response from the SC2 community has been fantastic. We've taken into account all of your comments, and made corrections based on your feedback. Thanks to those who let us know that the survey was quick and painless to do; that was what we were trying to accomplish.

It’s taboo to analyze your data before it’s all collected, but we thought we’d give you a sense of where we are now. 

[image loading]

We have players representing every league. We would love to see more Bronze and Silver players. If you have friends who play casually, or if you are mentoring beginners, please encourage them to participate (and help them find their replay folder). Grand Masters, we know you love StarCraft and we also know you have replays. Please help out. Because an expertise study tracks changes across skill levels, it is critical that beginners and top-tier players are strongly represented.

It’s still early in our 2-3 week data collection period so there is still time for your friends to participate. PLEASE REMIND THEM TO UPLOAD THEIR REPLAY!  Half the surveys sent to us have no replay attached. We are studying your screen movements, hotkey use, APM and other factors that we can ONLY get from your replay. 

[image loading]

North American players are dominating currently, but there is a strong European contingent as well. We have translated the survey into Korean, and hope to get some responses from Asia soon.

Ways you can help:
1.  Go to SkillCraft.ca, complete the survey and upload your replay.
2. Spread the link: by mouth and thread, by tweet and by vid. For the study to have the kind of impact that can spread back to the community (e.g., positive mainstream press) it needs to be mindbogglingly big. People need to think “Wow, that’s a lot of f*ing gamers”. 
3. Let us know if you hear about us on any streams. We’d love to know about any press we’re getting and we want to thank anyone who mentions us on their show. 
4. We plan to spread the survey around the Korean scene. The problem is that we don’t know anything about the Korean scene; we welcome suggestions.

ANNOUNCEMENT:  We will be holding an AMA session on reddit (r/starcraft) this Thursday. Dr. Mark Blair, Director of the Cognitive Science Lab at Simon Fraser University, will answer any and all questions about the project.  See the site for further information about the study: http://skillcraft.ca.

Finally, a big thanks to the players that responded to our original post to keep it alive.

SkillCraft.ca - Be Part of the Process
SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
TehForce
Profile Joined July 2010
1072 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 17:15:33
August 16 2011 17:15 GMT
#2
im really looking forward for the results of this study
NesTea <3
Al Bundy
Profile Joined April 2010
7257 Posts
August 16 2011 17:19 GMT
#3
Thanks for the update! Very interesting research indeed.
We need Tastosis to plug this! They are very effective when it comes to spreading the word
o choro é livre
ZeroCartin
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Costa Rica2390 Posts
August 16 2011 17:43 GMT
#4
Awesome. Im going to submit some stuff
"My sister is on vacation in Costa Rica right now. I hope she stays a while because she's a miserable cunt." -pubbanana
pyaar
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States423 Posts
August 16 2011 17:47 GMT
#5
Just submitted. I'm really looking forward to the results.
jjthomps
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 16 2011 17:54 GMT
#6
I submitted to this study a while ago... It was super easy. Very excited about it.
Demonace34
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
United States2493 Posts
August 16 2011 17:57 GMT
#7
I just completed the survey, hope to hear what the results are after it is completed.
NaNiwa|IdrA|HuK|iNcontroL|Jinro|NonY|Day[9]|PuMa|HerO|MMA|NesTea|NaDa|Boxer|Ryung|
theCher
Profile Joined August 2011
1 Post
August 16 2011 18:11 GMT
#8
Good to hear that the word is spreading!
Sated
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
England4983 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-16 18:16:07
August 16 2011 18:13 GMT
#9
--- Nuked ---
rsvp
Profile Blog Joined January 2006
United States2266 Posts
August 16 2011 18:15 GMT
#10
Woah this looks really cool, I missed the thread the first time. I just did the survey, and as a psych major I'm definitely interested in checking out the results!
CSLJozef
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 16 2011 18:31 GMT
#11
On August 17 2011 03:13 Sated wrote:
Submitted. :3

The only problem with this is that most players who come to sites like Team Liquid are players who care enough to try and get better (I know this is a generalisation, but I think it's an accurate enough one to make). Because of this, your league graph is going to be skewed towards the "above average" leagues (as it is at the moment).

According to Blizzard, ~60% of active players should be in bronze, silver and gold but your graph doesn't reflect that... you might need to take this into account when handling the data?


Yeah we figured that this might be an issue, part of the problem is reaching out to the lower skill level players because they generally (and this is a big generalization) do not have as much representation within the StarCraft 2 online community. This is why it is so important to spread the word about the survey to all of your friends, it will help us to reach people who would otherwise never know about the survey, and likely help us boost the number of lower level replays that we receive. No player is to new in order to submit a replay, if you have only played your placement matches, and are the bottom of bronze, we still want to see your replays. Having the wide spread of skill levels helps us to make comparisons between the different levels of expertise and allows us to see where differences start to emerge.
TheDougler
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada8306 Posts
August 16 2011 18:37 GMT
#12
I would but then I noticed it's SFU and as a UVic man myself I simply cannot stretch my morals to partake in anything to do with my school's bitter rival.

+ Show Spoiler +
Kidding, I'll get this season's placement matches out of the way and submit my replay ASAP
I root for Euro Zergs, NA Protoss* and Korean Terrans. (Any North American who has beat a Korean Pro as Protoss counts as NA Toss)
Flew
Profile Joined January 2011
United Kingdom133 Posts
August 16 2011 20:21 GMT
#13

I've just sent in a replay. I'm a silver terran. Glad to see the UK is sending lots of responses in.
jjthomps
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 16 2011 21:47 GMT
#14
Hopefully this catches on with the huge number of Korean Players.
mr_tolkien
Profile Blog Joined June 2010
France8631 Posts
August 16 2011 22:00 GMT
#15
The sum of replays uploaded, according to the first graph, is 670.
When you look at the countries, you say there have been 1125 replays uploaded from America.

My mind is trying to understand this right now XD
The legend of Darien lives on
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 16 2011 22:07 GMT
#16
On August 17 2011 07:00 mr_tolkien wrote:
The sum of replays uploaded, according to the first graph, is 670.
When you look at the countries, you say there have been 1125 replays uploaded from America.

My mind is trying to understand this right now XD


AAAG!
I'll edit with newer numbers. Good catch.
SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
CSLJozef
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 17 2011 03:43 GMT
#17
Hey guys so there is some confusion about the numbers, our apologies for that. The first graph is a graph of games which we have already pulled league data for, the second graph is how many replays we had total. The discrepancy lies in our ability to poll league data, we were running into a bottleneck issue so the numbers don't match up because we didn't have the data on all the leagues but we did have the data for where all the replays were from. Sorry about the confusion and I hope that this answers some of your questions
SkillCraftLee
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada1 Post
August 18 2011 05:23 GMT
#18
UPDATE Regarding Participant Numbers!
We now have an accurate sense about the current numbers of our participants. We previously made the assumption that everyone was doing all three steps. As it turned out many people are only submitting a replay and not their battle.net link, or vice versa. It's great to see that many players from Gold to Masters are contributing to the process of helping to legitimize StarCraft 2 to the academic community. But since an expertise study tracks changes across skill levels, it is critical that beginners and top-tier players are strongly represented.

[image loading]
All energy flows according to the whims of the Great Magnet. What a fool I was to defy him. ~tgm[enter]
julianto
Profile Joined December 2010
2292 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 05:34:30
August 18 2011 05:30 GMT
#19
edit: oops, I actually did the survey this time. I'm really excited about seeing the comments. Hopefully Blizzard will create brief surveys like these and release the data.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
nttea
Profile Blog Joined July 2008
Sweden4353 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-18 05:40:43
August 18 2011 05:38 GMT
#20
a good number of the europeans might have accidentally given you the us.battle.net/name link instead of the eu?? I am not sure i know only one silver league player but i'll send him your way.
oh, and in case you forget to consider this; skill level between servers apparently differs a bit. Such as korean diamond being claimed as significantly harder than eu/na.
Garnet
Profile Blog Joined February 2006
Vietnam9034 Posts
August 18 2011 05:55 GMT
#21
How on earth can I remember when did I start gaming or how many hours I have played SC1??.
A survey can't be accurate if people answer some questions randomly.
Kaxon
Profile Joined June 2011
United States117 Posts
August 18 2011 07:22 GMT
#22
Alright, submitted my silver league replay.

But yeah, guessing how many hours I played SC1 was completely random. SC2 I had a decent estimate because sc2gears tells me my total replay time. But SC1 I mostly played between 1998 and 2000 and I really don't remember how many games I played.
For the swarm!
jjthomps
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 18 2011 17:30 GMT
#23
Mark Blair's AMA is up
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jmwut/iama_cognitive_science_professor_doing_research/
CSLJozef
Profile Joined August 2011
Canada9 Posts
August 18 2011 18:03 GMT
#24
Yeah the AMA is up on Reddit right now, check it out. Mark Blair is answering more in-depth questions about the project, questions about analysis, and just general questions.
http://www.reddit.com/r/starcraft/comments/jmwut/iama_cognitive_science_professor_doing_research/
Please feel free to drop by and ask a question or two!
sixfour
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
England11061 Posts
August 18 2011 18:26 GMT
#25
submitted me 1aing colossi at someone going pure hydraling
p: stats, horang2, free, jangbi z: soulkey, zero, shine, hydra t: leta, hiya, sea
BabyToss!
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
Czech Republic588 Posts
August 21 2011 20:23 GMT
#26
There, submitted the survey for you guys. Good luck with it.
Nowadays a Filthy Casual | Follow your dreams |
Evangelist
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
1246 Posts
August 21 2011 20:58 GMT
#27
I know a fair few bronze/silver level players. I'll spread the word in every game I'm in at silver level for the next two weeks. Was interesting to read through your Reddit comments and see you discuss biases and statistical effects.

Will be glad to help.
CrushDog5
Profile Joined March 2010
Canada207 Posts
August 21 2011 21:41 GMT
#28
On August 22 2011 05:58 Evangelist wrote:
I know a fair few bronze/silver level players. I'll spread the word in every game I'm in at silver level for the next two weeks. Was interesting to read through your Reddit comments and see you discuss biases and statistical effects.

Will be glad to help.


Thanks a ton. We really appreciate it.
SkillCraft.com - StarCraft + Science
Normal
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
Platinum Heroes Events
15:00
PHSC2 Tour S26 Cup #2
CranKy Ducklings61
SteadfastSC54
Liquipedia
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
SteadfastSC 54
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 58420
Jaedong 2101
Mini 1017
Soma 657
Stork 625
actioN 348
firebathero 346
Shuttle 299
EffOrt 257
hero 128
[ Show more ]
Hyun 95
Last 77
Soulkey 69
sSak 61
sorry 56
Sacsri 38
yabsab 34
Movie 31
ToSsGirL 29
Hm[arnc] 25
Rock 22
GoRush 18
Terrorterran 18
NaDa 15
IntoTheRainbow 12
SilentControl 11
ivOry 10
Dota 2
Gorgc5919
qojqva2053
Counter-Strike
fl0m3506
shoxiejesuss1861
byalli452
kRYSTAL_20
Heroes of the Storm
Khaldor395
Liquid`Hasu339
Trikslyr20
MindelVK8
Other Games
FrodaN6145
ArmadaUGS2243
singsing2175
B2W.Neo1019
Lowko469
DeMusliM335
KnowMe149
Fuzer 142
mouzStarbuck133
Sick117
ToD10
Organizations
Other Games
gamesdonequick1323
StarCraft 2
ComeBackTV 462
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 16 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• HeavenSC 41
• EnkiAlexander 35
• Shameless 17
• CranKy Ducklings SOOP3
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• Michael_bg 5
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Jankos2196
Upcoming Events
PSISTORM Gaming Misc
4m
BSL
4h 34m
RSL Revival
18h 34m
ByuN vs Maru
MaxPax vs TriGGeR
WardiTV Team League
20h 34m
BSL
1d 3h
Replay Cast
1d 8h
Replay Cast
1d 17h
Afreeca Starleague
1d 18h
Light vs Calm
Royal vs Mind
Wardi Open
1d 19h
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
[ Show More ]
OSC
2 days
Sparkling Tuna Cup
2 days
Afreeca Starleague
2 days
Rush vs PianO
Flash vs Speed
Replay Cast
3 days
Afreeca Starleague
3 days
BeSt vs Leta
Queen vs Jaedong
Replay Cast
4 days
The PondCast
4 days
Replay Cast
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
Replay Cast
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2026-03-27
WardiTV Winter 2026
Underdog Cup #3

Ongoing

BSL Season 22
CSL Elite League 2026
CSL Season 20: Qualifier 1
ASL Season 21
Acropolis #4 - TS6
2026 Changsha Offline CUP
StarCraft2 Community Team League 2026 Spring
RSL Revival: Season 4
Nations Cup 2026
NationLESS Cup
BLAST Open Spring 2026
ESL Pro League S23 Finals
ESL Pro League S23 Stage 1&2
PGL Cluj-Napoca 2026
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter Qual

Upcoming

CSL Season 20: Qualifier 2
CSL 2026 SPRING (S20)
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
BSL 22 Non-Korean Championship
CSLAN 4
Kung Fu Cup 2026 Grand Finals
HSC XXIX
uThermal 2v2 2026 Main Event
IEM Cologne Major 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 2
CS Asia Championships 2026
IEM Atlanta 2026
Asian Champions League 2026
PGL Astana 2026
BLAST Rivals Spring 2026
CCT Season 3 Global Finals
IEM Rio 2026
PGL Bucharest 2026
Stake Ranked Episode 1
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2026 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.