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Shinobi1982
Profile Joined January 2011
1605 Posts
August 09 2011 17:15 GMT
#141
On August 10 2011 02:10 Azzur wrote:
FD and Tester leaving TSL was good for TSL. It is bad for a team to have 2 un-motivated players to demoralise the existing players.

I agree with this completely.
Train like an animal, eat like a horse, sleep like a baby, grow like a weed.
Auross
Profile Joined May 2011
Brazil104 Posts
August 09 2011 17:20 GMT
#142
What a turn of events!
Bippzy
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States1466 Posts
August 09 2011 17:28 GMT
#143
Is TSL basically a fail team now? What do they have left?

Also, anyone think this drama will be a trend in the sc2 community as in EG and now TSL? I think it'd be a phenomenon worth studying if the drama spread.
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JinDesu
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States3990 Posts
August 09 2011 17:29 GMT
#144
On August 10 2011 02:28 Bippzy wrote:
Is TSL basically a fail team now? What do they have left?

Also, anyone think this drama will be a trend in the sc2 community as in EG and now TSL? I think it'd be a phenomenon worth studying if the drama spread.


I shall refer you to an earlier quote.

On August 09 2011 22:25 Arceus wrote:
Lol funny how Tester & FD turn out to be liars. Things suddenly turn 180 degrees. It's obvious that Coach Won was biased toward his own players and misjuded the case with his power as the head of sc2con. Justice has been done

Show nested quote +
On August 09 2011 22:13 bonifaceviii wrote:
TSL's been crippled already; might as well throw the team a bone of vindication before it dies for good.

bullshit. 3 players in Code S, staying on top of their GSTL group, backed by serious sponsors since beginning, get rid of proven liars and lazy asses, only lost a non-GSL player , and more importantly being coached by the muthafreakin Coach Lee. Team SCV Life is looking hot.
Yargh
Xeris
Profile Blog Joined July 2005
Iran17695 Posts
August 09 2011 17:30 GMT
#145
Very happy that TSL and Coach Lee were vindicated! He's super nice
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windsupernova
Profile Joined October 2010
Mexico5280 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 17:40:08
August 09 2011 17:36 GMT
#146
"a significant part of the players' (tester, FD) testimonies were false"

"their statements were inconsistent with the truth regarding missed salary payments + copyright issues regarding use of their image"


Hahahahaha, as always the TL hate bandwagon owes someone an apology, not like they will apologize.

I knew there was something more to all the affair, all the stuff that they said that Coach lee had done was a criminal offense now ay the sponsors would let him get away with that.

Edit: And please guys, I know many of you love jumping into the hate bandwagon but this is no reason to now suddenly hate Tester and FD, they both are very talented players and by the way the confederation acted it seems they apologized or came cleam by themeselves
"Its easy, just trust your CPU".-Boxer on being good at games
Frankon
Profile Joined May 2010
3054 Posts
August 09 2011 17:39 GMT
#147
this need to be in community news...
iamcaustic
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada1509 Posts
August 09 2011 17:41 GMT
#148
I was really surprised to hear about the accusations regarding Coach Lee, especially after getting the impression that he was one of the nicest and best coaches in the StarCraft scene in Korea. Glad to know that this has been (kind of) cleared up now.
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NuclearJudas
Profile Blog Joined July 2011
6546 Posts
August 09 2011 17:43 GMT
#149
Great to hear this has been cleared up. TSL fighting! <3
Life is like Tetris. Your errors pile up but your accomplishments disappear. - Robert Ohlén | http://railroaddiary.wordpress.com/ - My words about stuff.
No_Roo
Profile Joined February 2010
United States905 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-08-09 17:43:27
August 09 2011 17:43 GMT
#150
It is incredibly frustrating to discover players you are a fan of have behaved in such a deceitful manner. I have tremendous difficultly reconciling my disapproval of this situation, with my general hatred of dramacraft.
(US) NoRoo.fighting
Ownos
Profile Joined July 2010
United States2147 Posts
August 09 2011 17:45 GMT
#151
YES! Huge relief! So can they all just get along, plz!? I was really worried for Clide and SangHo for a minute.
...deeper and deeper into the bowels of El Diablo
FXOpen
Profile Joined November 2010
Australia1844 Posts
August 09 2011 17:50 GMT
#152
sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.

Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....

I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).

They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.

But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.

Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror.
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dudecrush
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada418 Posts
August 09 2011 17:54 GMT
#153
Well, I still have no idea what actually happened. To many conflicting points of view. The important thing is that TSL and SC2Con are back together (sound like a cheap romance novel...). And that all the animosity has cleared.
Zeddicus
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States239 Posts
August 09 2011 17:55 GMT
#154
I agree, we still might not know the whole story, but I'd like to give some kudos to Coach Lee. If I lost all my best players, received a megaton of hate from every direction, and was kicked out of the SC2 association, I wouldn't stick around very long. Well done.
Beef Noodles
Profile Blog Joined March 2010
United States937 Posts
August 09 2011 17:55 GMT
#155
Can some Korean explain what is going on. As an American this looks super shady, but it might be socially acceptable face-saving. Any korean want to comment on this?
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
August 09 2011 17:56 GMT
#156
Let's see more people swing back and forth from hating to loving random people based on the most recent drama!

Yawn. I just hope this ends the shitstorm of controversy for both sides and people can stop being such fanboys or haters.
not a hero
Diamond
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States10796 Posts
August 09 2011 17:56 GMT
#157
On August 10 2011 02:50 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.

Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....

I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).

They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.

But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.

Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror.


Correct, it's based off a business model that is not the real world business model for SCII right now. The concept of SC2CON works only if all teams internationally join (lol), or all SCII tournaments are in Korea only (lol).

Oh also they really don't do much of anything. That too.....
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MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
August 09 2011 18:00 GMT
#158
Posted that in the last thread


On August 05 2011 05:31 MrCon wrote:
There's 2 things :
- if Lee really had period where he came to the house only twice a month, he's just a bad coach.
- all the rest is too much speculation, because it wouldn't surprise me that tester and fd had the house spirit completely ruined. Those guys won nearly 5000$ a month (code S included), so seeing them afk all day when their non paid teammates are practicing non stop can really be a disaster. I can understand how things could have snowballed from this.

Apart from that (which is speculation already), nothing in this thread is factual (this post included), so posting definite judgments one way or another isn't very smart imo.


Telcontar
Profile Joined May 2010
United Kingdom16710 Posts
August 09 2011 18:05 GMT
#159
On August 10 2011 02:50 FXOpen wrote:
sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.

Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....

I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).

They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.

But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.

Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror.

Hmmm, thanks for sharing your thoughts boss. I didn't know they were so forceful and devious in their ways. I had always thought of SC2Con as just a committee, created by the teams (+GOM?) to help each other, and the Korean SC2 scene. I assume your personal experience with them comes from your purchase of fOu? I can understand cultural differences (I'm a korean so I know there's a sizable gulf) causing difference of ideas & opinions, but I can't believe they would resort to blackmailing and strong-arming to get their way. I had thought that the lukewarm reception of SC2 in Korea would bring everyone already involved, closer together, but that's just me being idealistic I guess.
Et Eärello Endorenna utúlien. Sinome maruvan ar Hildinyar tenn' Ambar-metta.
Mr.marine
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada49 Posts
August 09 2011 18:05 GMT
#160
shit keeps getting more fucked up whats next TSL_Idra.
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