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On August 10 2011 02:10 Azzur wrote: FD and Tester leaving TSL was good for TSL. It is bad for a team to have 2 un-motivated players to demoralise the existing players. I agree with this completely.
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Is TSL basically a fail team now? What do they have left?
Also, anyone think this drama will be a trend in the sc2 community as in EG and now TSL? I think it'd be a phenomenon worth studying if the drama spread.
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On August 10 2011 02:28 Bippzy wrote: Is TSL basically a fail team now? What do they have left?
Also, anyone think this drama will be a trend in the sc2 community as in EG and now TSL? I think it'd be a phenomenon worth studying if the drama spread.
I shall refer you to an earlier quote.
On August 09 2011 22:25 Arceus wrote:Lol funny how Tester & FD turn out to be liars. Things suddenly turn 180 degrees. It's obvious that Coach Won was biased toward his own players and misjuded the case with his power as the head of sc2con. Justice has been done Show nested quote +On August 09 2011 22:13 bonifaceviii wrote: TSL's been crippled already; might as well throw the team a bone of vindication before it dies for good. bullshit. 3 players in Code S, staying on top of their GSTL group, backed by serious sponsors since beginning, get rid of proven liars and lazy asses, only lost a non-GSL player , and more importantly being coached by the muthafreakin Coach Lee. Team SCV Life is looking hot.
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Very happy that TSL and Coach Lee were vindicated! He's super nice
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"a significant part of the players' (tester, FD) testimonies were false"
"their statements were inconsistent with the truth regarding missed salary payments + copyright issues regarding use of their image"
Hahahahaha, as always the TL hate bandwagon owes someone an apology, not like they will apologize.
I knew there was something more to all the affair, all the stuff that they said that Coach lee had done was a criminal offense now ay the sponsors would let him get away with that.
Edit: And please guys, I know many of you love jumping into the hate bandwagon but this is no reason to now suddenly hate Tester and FD, they both are very talented players and by the way the confederation acted it seems they apologized or came cleam by themeselves
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this need to be in community news...
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I was really surprised to hear about the accusations regarding Coach Lee, especially after getting the impression that he was one of the nicest and best coaches in the StarCraft scene in Korea. Glad to know that this has been (kind of) cleared up now.
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Great to hear this has been cleared up. TSL fighting! <3
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It is incredibly frustrating to discover players you are a fan of have behaved in such a deceitful manner. I have tremendous difficultly reconciling my disapproval of this situation, with my general hatred of dramacraft.
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YES! Huge relief! So can they all just get along, plz!? I was really worried for Clide and SangHo for a minute.
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sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.
Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....
I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).
They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.
But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.
Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror.
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Well, I still have no idea what actually happened. To many conflicting points of view. The important thing is that TSL and SC2Con are back together (sound like a cheap romance novel...). And that all the animosity has cleared.
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I agree, we still might not know the whole story, but I'd like to give some kudos to Coach Lee. If I lost all my best players, received a megaton of hate from every direction, and was kicked out of the SC2 association, I wouldn't stick around very long. Well done.
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Can some Korean explain what is going on. As an American this looks super shady, but it might be socially acceptable face-saving. Any korean want to comment on this?
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Let's see more people swing back and forth from hating to loving random people based on the most recent drama!
Yawn. I just hope this ends the shitstorm of controversy for both sides and people can stop being such fanboys or haters.
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On August 10 2011 02:50 FXOpen wrote: sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.
Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....
I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).
They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.
But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.
Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror.
Correct, it's based off a business model that is not the real world business model for SCII right now. The concept of SC2CON works only if all teams internationally join (lol), or all SCII tournaments are in Korea only (lol).
Oh also they really don't do much of anything. That too.....
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Posted that in the last thread
On August 05 2011 05:31 MrCon wrote: There's 2 things : - if Lee really had period where he came to the house only twice a month, he's just a bad coach. - all the rest is too much speculation, because it wouldn't surprise me that tester and fd had the house spirit completely ruined. Those guys won nearly 5000$ a month (code S included), so seeing them afk all day when their non paid teammates are practicing non stop can really be a disaster. I can understand how things could have snowballed from this.
Apart from that (which is speculation already), nothing in this thread is factual (this post included), so posting definite judgments one way or another isn't very smart imo.
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On August 10 2011 02:50 FXOpen wrote: sc2con is just a new start up form of kespa.
Even though they have little/no substance, they are already known to blackmail teams into fearing them....
I personally have little/no respect for the organisation until they clean up their act. Including the ST coach, and junho (I think thats how you spell it).
They act like supremicists trying to control everything in the old ways of korea. Which evidently, no longer seems to work in a global market.
But that doesn't phase me, thats a cultural thing. Its the blackmail tactics, disregard for team contracts and insults to players that I think should worry people.
Its due for a serious overhaul, and a long hard look in the mirror. Hmmm, thanks for sharing your thoughts boss. I didn't know they were so forceful and devious in their ways. I had always thought of SC2Con as just a committee, created by the teams (+GOM?) to help each other, and the Korean SC2 scene. I assume your personal experience with them comes from your purchase of fOu? I can understand cultural differences (I'm a korean so I know there's a sizable gulf) causing difference of ideas & opinions, but I can't believe they would resort to blackmailing and strong-arming to get their way. I had thought that the lukewarm reception of SC2 in Korea would bring everyone already involved, closer together, but that's just me being idealistic I guess.
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shit keeps getting more fucked up whats next TSL_Idra.
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