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Carmac
Poland375 Posts
I have decided to make a little comeback since I have missed interviewing interesting people. I took the opportunity at the HomeStory Cup 3 and interviewed IdrA: I'm also trying to foster an interviewer - this Tarson interview might also be interesting for the Polish Terran's fans: Enjoy! | ||
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gulden
Germany205 Posts
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agtemd
Canada362 Posts
Thanks for the interviews anyways  | ||
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sputnik.theory
Poland449 Posts
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Ryps
Romania2740 Posts
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thebole1
Serbia126 Posts
 i hope everybody will enjoy | ||
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MCDayC
United Kingdom14464 Posts
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DKo
United States187 Posts
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Alabasern
United States4005 Posts
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DNA61289
United States665 Posts
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Valikyr
Sweden2653 Posts
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drooL
United Kingdom2108 Posts
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Lobotomist
United States1541 Posts
Idra hwaaaiiiiting! Good luck at MLG dude. | ||
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Drayne
Canada239 Posts
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short
Sweden148 Posts
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Krikan
Norway520 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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rasnj
United States1959 Posts
On July 19 2011 05:45 agtemd wrote: No Uszat? Son I am dissapoint. Thanks for the interviews anyways I'm pretty sure I have seen Carmac interview Idra before so it wouldn't really work. Anyway great interview, the question were very good and Idra always good elaborate answers (whether one agrees with them or not). | ||
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clownzim
Brazil267 Posts
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Carmac
Poland375 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:04 rasnj wrote: I'm pretty sure I have seen Carmac interview Idra before so it wouldn't really work. Anyway great interview, the question were very good and Idra always good elaborate answers (whether one agrees with them or not). Oh no, I've trolled him 11 months ago. I just haven't released it yet. | ||
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Murdock
Poland490 Posts
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Greatness
United States450 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:06 Carmac wrote: Oh no, I've trolled him 11 months ago. I just haven't released it yet. wtf release it. | ||
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WArped
United Kingdom4845 Posts
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ticktack
United Arab Emirates874 Posts
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leo23
United States3075 Posts
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Azuroz
Sweden1630 Posts
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hewley
Germany1063 Posts
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Valkola
Finland128 Posts
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MorNin
United States443 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:06 Carmac wrote: Oh no, I've trolled him 11 months ago. I just haven't released it yet. Great Interview thank you, and I hope you release the Troll one!!! plz!!!!! | ||
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archonOOid
1983 Posts
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rafaliusz
Poland482 Posts
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Yiska
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Rustug
1488 Posts
Clear, well thought-out questions made this great interviews to watch. | ||
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Leviance
Germany4079 Posts
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blDraX
Germany39 Posts
Questions were great but I also liked Idra's responses a lot, being so honest about himself. | ||
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Alexl
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roosten
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yawnoC
United States3704 Posts
I wish I got to see it more. A+ for the interview. Also A+ for your new protegee. | ||
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Agnosthar
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Chicane
United States7875 Posts
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
haven't heard from him in a while. | ||
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Like a Boss
502 Posts
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True_Spike
Poland3420 Posts
Great to see you back in action, I hope to see more of your work (serious or otherwise) in the near future. | ||
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RealRook
Czech Republic54 Posts
"toss is imba" -> "i wont switch cause it would too long" and repeat other than that nice interview | ||
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Shewklad
Sweden482 Posts
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StarStruck
25339 Posts
Only prob is you have to interview those who don't expect it. :/ | ||
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MethodSC
United States928 Posts
Maybe he just trolled you right there lol. | ||
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Alexl
288 Posts
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provrorsbarn
Sweden766 Posts
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:06 Carmac wrote: Oh no, I've trolled him 11 months ago. I just haven't released it yet. Please release it  . | ||
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zul
Germany5427 Posts
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AntiGrav1ty
Germany2310 Posts
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RacerX
United States168 Posts
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seodoth
Netherlands315 Posts
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jimminy_kriket
Canada5501 Posts
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BadgerBadger8264
Netherlands409 Posts
Great interview btw. | ||
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illsick
United States1770 Posts
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jonaada
Iceland49 Posts
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
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Trowa127
United Kingdom1230 Posts
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Probe1
United States17920 Posts
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Kaitokid
Germany1327 Posts
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Zapdos_Smithh
Canada2620 Posts
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dani`
Netherlands2402 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:17 Trowa127 wrote: I like the Idra interview. What he says about race win statistics is true - you can't use win percentages to justify balance arguments when bad players are playing better players all the time. I still don't buy into the P op thing, but he makes a very valid point. Not really imo. If statistics over like 500+ games say PvZ ~ 50%, then he can not simply "assume" that's because it's always the worse Protoss player playing against a better Zerg. That's kinda ridiculous and sad at the same time. Taking a tournament result and use that one result to talk about balance ("NesTea won GSL, Zerg isn't underpowered") is indeed questionable, I agree with him on that, obviously. He is right when he talks about randomness here and there, but the whole point of statistics is to take a big enough sample size to get rid of that stuff. He is essentially saying he understands the game perfectly and if he says it's imbalanced it is true; even though statistics do not back it up. That's not how it works. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:17 Trowa127 wrote: I like the Idra interview. What he says about race win statistics is true - you can't use win percentages to justify balance arguments when bad players are playing better players all the time. I still don't buy into the P op thing, but he makes a very valid point. I'm going to be blunt like IdrA. IdrA just has a bad PvZ. People like Sheth believe that ZvP is their best match up and have the results to back it up. I believe we have been seeing enough Z win vs P for a while now, to say that the balance is still nearly as skewed as it used to be would be totally wrong in my opinion. | ||
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Terrifyer
United States338 Posts
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ExPresident
United States215 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:29 EnderCraft wrote: I'm going to be blunt like IdrA. IdrA just has a bad PvZ. People like Sheth believe that ZvP is their best match up and have the results to back it up. I believe we have been seeing enough Z win vs P for a while now, to say that the balance is still nearly as skewed as it used to be would be totally wrong in my opinion. I pretty much agree with this. I liked the interview overall tho, it was very well done. I think it was pretty bad move to just say the community 'doesn't understand' or 'get it', however Idra put it when arguing his point on balance. I'm not gonna go overboard on him doing it, but labeling everyone the same isn't the way to go nor accurate. | ||
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nvs.
Canada3609 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:41 Terrifyer wrote: carmac you are one of the best interviewers ever I like how his questions are just as blunt and honest as Idra's answers. No beating around the bush and such. Well done. | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:29 EnderCraft wrote: I'm going to be blunt like IdrA. IdrA just has a bad PvZ. People like Sheth believe that ZvP is their best match up and have the results to back it up. I believe we have been seeing enough Z win vs P for a while now, to say that the balance is still nearly as skewed as it used to be would be totally wrong in my opinion. I'm sure he'd admit that ZvP is his worst matchup, even without considering any imbalances that might be present | ||
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SafeAsCheese
United States4924 Posts
IdrA plays on a different level than other foreign "professionals" except the obvious. Sen, Thorzain, huk, naniwa, idra, maybe Ret and Select. The rest are a step below There are tiers of pro play right now. There is the top code S level, the code S level, the Code A level, the Euro foreign level, the american foreign level, etc. The "48~52%" shit comes from the ENTIRE pro scene. Against standard pro level protoss like Socke, whitera, etc he has well over a 55-70% win rate. His comments on ZvP balance are limited to the next tier of play, the actual Code S korean level protoss who understand how to micro and macro and do timing attacks like Mc, Huk, and even Naniwa (yes nani is Code s level, he is much better than Tester or Genius.) | ||
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Clog
United States950 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:28 dani` wrote: Not really imo. If statistics over like 500+ games say PvZ ~ 50%, then he can not simply "assume" that's because it's always the worse Protoss player playing against a better Zerg. That's kinda ridiculous and sad at the same time. Taking a tournament result and use that one result to talk about balance ("NesTea won GSL, Zerg isn't underpowered") is indeed questionable, I agree with him on that, obviously. He is right when he talks about randomness here and there, but the whole point of statistics is to take a big enough sample size to get rid of that stuff. He is essentially saying he understands the game perfectly and if he says it's imbalanced it is true; even though statistics do not back it up. That's not how it works. It seemed to be that part of his point was zerg was getting constantly buffed and P or T would lose a bit before they started figuring out new strategies / comps (etc) to be able to deal with the buffs. Like he said, SC2 is young and there's a lot that isn't figured out yet. It seems almost comical to be using statistics when you have games included in there such as the Inca vs Nestea series, and all that terrans that still don't get ghosts (or get them late) against infestor -> broodlord builds. Of course, that applies the other way around as well, but you get my point. Even 500 games (which seems like a lot) isn't that much considering all that different maps, players, new builds... I could go on and on. And once you get to such large amounts of data at the pro level, you can begin to cross over into older patches, which you don't want when dealing with balance. Pulling out random-ass stats is just easier to do... doesn't require almost any mental capacity to do, which is why people do it so much. Not that I'm that qualified myself to analyze games at a high level but it's more meaningful to cite various games of (for example) zergs winning games against terrans using infestor BL against a variety of seemingly intelligent and well controlled responses from the terran rather than digging up some 57% ZvT stat in X, Y, Z tournaments in games longer than 20 minutes or something stupid like that. | ||
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ZAiNs
United Kingdom6525 Posts
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Micket
United Kingdom2163 Posts
But the game is reasonably balanced to the extent that, in order to exploit a certain imbalance, a high level of skill is required. There are no simple 1 base, no multitask, no scouting builds that can give you a very high chance of winning. The only one that nearly fits this description whilst actually being good is the 1-1-1 all in vs Protoss as Terran. Because of this, we have to look at Korea where you see the highest level of play. But here there is another problem. The sample size is way too small. Let's look at GSL May. PvZ stats give 7-12 in favour of Zerg. What does this tell you? That Protoss, with their puny 37% win ratio is weak against zerg? NO, in fact, it doesn't tell you anything. All it tells you is that the matchup isn't completely broken and unplayable. Using statistics is fine when discussing game balance, its just that we don't have any meaningful stats to use. | ||
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dragoonier
Germany154 Posts
Idra simply doesn't want to admit that he plays ZvP the wrong way. | ||
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ChatimentZ
Belgium227 Posts
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ravenKRaz
United States580 Posts
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wats0n
United States509 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:28 dani` wrote: Not really imo. If statistics over like 500+ games say PvZ ~ 50%, then he can not simply "assume" that's because it's always the worse Protoss player playing against a better Zerg. That's kinda ridiculous and sad at the same time. That's not what he said about ladder. He said that the game is designed and balanced so that it will be 50% on ladder so using ladder stats as proof of balance is not warranted. It's a good point. Just because the game is 50% for all races on ladder doesn't mean that professional players in tournament settings will have the same balance because the level of play is totally different from ladder. | ||
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Executor1
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On July 19 2011 07:49 SafeAsCheese wrote: I am going to be blunt as well. IdrA plays on a different level than other foreign "professionals" except the obvious. Sen, Thorzain, huk, naniwa, idra, maybe Ret and Select. The rest are a step below There are tiers of pro play right now. There is the top code S level, the code S level, the Code A level, the Euro foreign level, the american foreign level, etc. The "48~52%" shit comes from the ENTIRE pro scene. Against standard pro level protoss like Socke, whitera, etc he has well over a 55-70% win rate. His comments on ZvP balance are limited to the next tier of play, the actual Code S korean level protoss who understand how to micro and macro and do timing attacks like Mc, Huk, and even Naniwa (yes nani is Code s level, he is much better than Tester or Genius.) You cant just say that naniwa is code s level, how many code s players besides mc in a pvp have you seen him play against? Tester and genius could easily look worse because they are playing against far superior players, and naniwa could look better because he is playing against far inferior players. The only other koreans i remember him playing is moon (not even code a) squirtle in NASL (who beat him) and Nada in NASL (who beat him very handily) There is no way to say he is code s level until you see him play against code s leve caliber players (sure he beat MC once but mc has also beaten him and PVP is probably the most volatile matchup) Im a huge fan of naniwa but i certainly wouldnt call him code s level until i see him tear it up in code a , and actually beat some mid level koreans(code a) until he can prove his worth at the top echelon. | ||
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Mictoman
Norway42 Posts
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Bayyne
United States1967 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:28 dani` wrote: Not really imo. If statistics over like 500+ games say PvZ ~ 50%, then he can not simply "assume" that's because it's always the worse Protoss player playing against a better Zerg. That's kinda ridiculous and sad at the same time. Taking a tournament result and use that one result to talk about balance ("NesTea won GSL, Zerg isn't underpowered") is indeed questionable, I agree with him on that, obviously. He is right when he talks about randomness here and there, but the whole point of statistics is to take a big enough sample size to get rid of that stuff. He is essentially saying he understands the game perfectly and if he says it's imbalanced it is true; even though statistics do not back it up. That's not how it works. When you refer to that hypothetical PvZ being 50%, are you referring to ladder games? If so, of course it will be close to 50%; all ladder match-ups should be close to 50% according to Blizz's MMR system. If you are referring to 500+ PvZ tournament match-ups, then there's a bit more truth to it. But I still don't think it means much since this game is in fact still being learned, even on the pro-level. Right now, at this point in the game, you just can't look at pure numbers/statistics (even if there is a sample size of 10,000) when discussing "balance" or "design", there has to be a more closer look at the match-ups, skill level of players, etc. However, good interview. I never knew Carmac could be so serious in his interviews. =) | ||
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Zato-1
Chile4253 Posts
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Firesilver
United Kingdom1190 Posts
Please do more in future with others, would be great to see you interview White-Ra or HuK etc. | ||
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iNbluE
Switzerland674 Posts
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Xevious
United States2086 Posts
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DoomsVille
Canada4885 Posts
And IdrA, like a boss, stood his ground and defended all his points. Say what you will about IdrA, but he is extremely intelligent and it shows in his interviews. | ||
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Daudr
Sweden275 Posts
Carmac <3 | ||
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Xanderk
United States51 Posts
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Zlasher
United States9129 Posts
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United States975 Posts
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bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
For all that you may be busy with at IEM i appreciate this content | ||
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Sweden7024 Posts
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Senx
Sweden5901 Posts
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United Kingdom583 Posts
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United States126 Posts
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Sina92
Sweden1303 Posts
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King.Crimson
Romania478 Posts
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HydraLF
Hong Kong626 Posts
Tarson interview was cool tho, usually don't get to hear from these players much. | ||
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stafu
Australia1196 Posts
Colour me surprised! | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:28 dani` wrote: Not really imo. If statistics over like 500+ games say PvZ ~ 50%, then he can not simply "assume" that's because it's always the worse Protoss player playing against a better Zerg. That's kinda ridiculous and sad at the same time. Taking a tournament result and use that one result to talk about balance ("NesTea won GSL, Zerg isn't underpowered") is indeed questionable, I agree with him on that, obviously. He is right when he talks about randomness here and there, but the whole point of statistics is to take a big enough sample size to get rid of that stuff. He is essentially saying he understands the game perfectly and if he says it's imbalanced it is true; even though statistics do not back it up. That's not how it works. We don't have a big enough sample size though. The metagame has been changing too much to get 500 high level ZvPs in one "metagame" phase. | ||
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HolyArrow
United States7116 Posts
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sevia
United States954 Posts
Carmac is a great interviewer as well. | ||
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Warpath
Canada1242 Posts
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FreshNoThyme
United States356 Posts
If results of match-ups are close to 50%, I don't see any problem. If results are skewed and a race is winning 80% of a match-up, there is a problem in balance. Taking the top 50 players of a game using them as examples of balance leads to games becoming UNBALANCED. Looking at large pools of actual results is based on fact. Opinions of skill level is not scientific and will lead to unbalance. Many of you seem to be thinking of scenarios like the following, but using the information incorrectly: To use a hypothetical: Top 30 players 10 of each race TvT 60% TvP 70% TvZ 80% PvP 50% PvZ 50% ZvZ 50% That doesn't mean necessarily mean T is better than the other races. Using such a small sample size does not give accurate results. The 10 players here COULD be better, or the race of the players COULD be better. This small statistic pool does not help in understanding balance. Now, take the following: Top 300,000 players 100,000 of each race TvT 60% TvP 70% TvZ 80% PvP 50% PvZ 50% ZvZ 50% THAT is much more likely to be imbalance. The chances of the 10 T players in the first scenario being, on average, simply BETTER than the Z and P players is MUCH higher than the chances of the 100,000 T players simply being better than the other races. This is statistics 101. Small sample sizes lead to inaccurate results. Dismissing ladder results is to throw away the best tool in understanding game balance. | ||
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Whole
United States6046 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 19 2011 12:17 Whole wrote: We don't have a big enough sample size though. The metagame has been changing too much to get 500 high level ZvPs in one "metagame" phase. it's been patched too often for that kind of sample size, as well | ||
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Frozenserpent
United States143 Posts
I guess one big argument against taking statistics too seriously at this point is that there aren't a good pool of top players to look at. There are only a couple of defining players for each race. A handful of pros that are considered consistently good. Furthermore, the metagame hasn't stabilized yet, and probably won't do so before any further patch changes or expansion occurs. This all makes it very difficult to draw much balance conclusion from statistics. | ||
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yoshi_yoshi
United States440 Posts
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Luppy1
Singapore177 Posts
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Gamegene
United States8308 Posts
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Goliath0nline
Canada165 Posts
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Maffe
Sweden133 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:06 Carmac wrote: Oh no, I've trolled him 11 months ago. I just haven't released it yet. You must spread the trolling wisdom of Uszat. Upload it! Seriously though, great interview with IdrA. A very serious, personal interview has been longing. | ||
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Omnipresent
United States871 Posts
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
I can't help but like a guy like that. | ||
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Dirt McGirt
New Zealand129 Posts
Wonder how that second interview really ended lol! Tarson must have carving up in the club the night before! | ||
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Bleak
Turkey3059 Posts
On July 19 2011 13:28 Whole wrote: Well, Ladder is designed to give 50% win rate. The MMR system's purpose of existence is to give you an even match and try to make you have a 50% winrate. Also, why balance the game to lower level players? The only imbalance in lower level players is the skill difference. Yep, there are people who win with every kind of strategy in ladder, and in some cases strategy might not even matter, they might be macroing better for example. It is just not a good indicator to look at for balance. They could look for the top pro competition for that. | ||
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vol_
Australia1608 Posts
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Cuddle
Sweden1345 Posts
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Shodanss
Greece245 Posts
Good luck with your prodigee as well, hoping to see her interview more players in the future... | ||
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Night Eyes
433 Posts
Well done on both interviews, on Carmac's side and also the players. | ||
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vdale
Germany1173 Posts
I liked the interview even though I don't agree with many of Idra's points. | ||
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Zarahtra
Iceland4053 Posts
On July 19 2011 06:07 Murdock wrote: Though I'm not the biggest fan of idra, i always start to like him more after every interview with him. Especially good interview. GJ Carmac! Aye, it's really strange. He can be such a **** and then next interview he's just awesome. Hard to cheer for him, but hard to hate him too... Edit: Btw awesome interview, insanely good really. Perfect questions | ||
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BasedSwag
Algeria418 Posts
On July 19 2011 23:50 vdale wrote: Goody is actually the perfect example why you can't just look at the macro mechanics to rate a player and the race. Everybody agrees that his macro isn't very good compared to other top level players but his best matchup is TvT and he is almost always the favorite in TvT outside of Korea. I liked the interview even though I don't agree with many of Idra's points. He didn't say Goody was a bad player. He just said you can objectively say whether certain aspects of someone's game are bad, which is true. | ||
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
Speaking of hypocrites, Idra is a fine one claiming that statistics have no place in a rational discussion while he makes an irrational assumption about the ladder stats. The guy comes off as arrogant and makes a fool of himself to anyone smart enough to realize it. | ||
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thepeonwhocould
Australia334 Posts
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
Idras logic on the ladder stats being 50% because of the matchmaking system by is just flat out wrong. this statement is so wrong... ladder stats being 50% just indicates one thing: the matchmaking works. The ladders only goal is to keep players artificially at 50% If i lose very often, my MMR will drop and i will get weaker opponents till i reach 50% again. If i win too much, i will get stronger opponents till i reach 50% again. So ladder staticstics doesnt say anything. If i win 90% of my zvz, 52 % of my ZvT and just 8% of my ZvP im still at 50% win rate. Even if my pvz is 50% it tells you nothing about how balanced it is, because you cant see the MMR. There is a huge possibility that the toss i lost to were on the same MMR as me and the ones i won where on lower mmr | ||
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Crying
Bulgaria778 Posts
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CarachAngren
United States84 Posts
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Dariusz
Poland657 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:17 Disquiet wrote: Idras logic on the ladder stats being 50% because of the matchmaking system by is just flat out wrong. Its been explained a thousand times on TL yet I know he will not read this so I'm not gonna bother. Speaking of hypocrites, Idra is a fine one claiming that statistics have no place in a rational discussion while he makes an irrational assumption about the ladder stats. The guy comes off as arrogant and makes a fool of himself to anyone smart enough to realize it. Care to explain? | ||
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Mithriel
Netherlands2969 Posts
Interviewer in second one is mega cute <3 | ||
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:17 Disquiet wrote: The guy comes off as arrogant and makes a fool of himself to anyone smart enough to realize it. Speaking of hypocrites... come on. | ||
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LuckyMacro
United States1482 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:17 Disquiet wrote: Idras logic on the ladder stats being 50% because of the matchmaking system by is just flat out wrong. Its been explained a thousand times on TL yet I know he will not read this so I'm not gonna bother. Speaking of hypocrites, Idra is a fine one claiming that statistics have no place in a rational discussion while he makes an irrational assumption about the ladder stats. The guy comes off as arrogant and makes a fool of himself to anyone smart enough to realize it. Empty words. Thanks for the interview! | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
Idra said : " 3 of us had easy groups and at least 2 of us - which means the other two obviously - are worse than ... " To what or who did Idra compare Stephano and XlorD ? | ||
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Alexl
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
On July 20 2011 02:59 Otolia wrote: Help ! Idra said : " 3 of us had easy groups and at least 2 of us - which means the other two obviously - are worse than ... " To what or who did Idra compare Stephano and XlorD ? To himself, Dimaga and Ret. | ||
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leBIGcrab
France313 Posts
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genius_man16
United States749 Posts
On July 20 2011 00:17 Disquiet wrote: Idras logic on the ladder stats being 50% because of the matchmaking system by is just flat out wrong. Its been explained a thousand times on TL yet I know he will not read this so I'm not gonna bother. Speaking of hypocrites, Idra is a fine one claiming that statistics have no place in a rational discussion while he makes an irrational assumption about the ladder stats. The guy comes off as arrogant and makes a fool of himself to anyone smart enough to realize it. Lol. Obvious troll is obvious. Care to explain how IdrA's logic of the matchmaking system is wrong. You are right about it being explained a thousand times on TL, but every time it says "The matchmaking systems only goal is to have each player reach a 50% win rate" so idk wtf you're talkin about bro. IdrA is pretty spot on. | ||
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Otolia
France5805 Posts
MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. But no, he didn't say that. I want to know what he said. Not what you think he said. | ||
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HunterK
Argentina68 Posts
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-eXalt
United States462 Posts
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mr.reee
121 Posts
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Amoment
Germany175 Posts
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ZidaneTribal
United States2800 Posts
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DarkPlasmaBall
United States44250 Posts
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elmoscousin
United States30 Posts
I've been wondering where Idra disappeared to for the last week or so, good to see that he is still active. | ||
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han_han
United States205 Posts
Tarson's interview was also great, and I liked that bit where apparently he said he was the best in Europe then laughed and asked to redo that question. | ||
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RaLakedaimon
United States1564 Posts
I can't say I liked the Idra interview though but not because of Carmac but because idra always makes it sound like Zerg sucks, his opponents only lose because they mess up or because they suck and he won't switch races because he's gone so far with it. Never have seen someone do that little circle over and over and yet have so many fans, give them drama and they love you I suppose. I was hoping for some trolling but Carmac was all straight up, still great job by him as always. | ||
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Skaya
United States126 Posts
keep the interviews coming, and i'll keep watching ) | ||
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Holgerius
Sweden16951 Posts
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Disquiet
Australia628 Posts
this statement is so wrong... ladder stats being 50% just indicates one thing: the matchmaking works. The ladders only goal is to keep players artificially at 50% If i lose very often, my MMR will drop and i will get weaker opponents till i reach 50% again. If i win too much, i will get stronger opponents till i reach 50% again. So ladder staticstics doesnt say anything. If i win 90% of my zvz, 52 % of my ZvT and just 8% of my ZvP im still at 50% win rate. Even if my pvz is 50% it tells you nothing about how balanced it is, because you cant see the MMR. There is a huge possibility that the toss i lost to were on the same MMR as me and the ones i won where on lower mmr Care to explain? Lol. Obvious troll is obvious. Care to explain how IdrA's logic of the matchmaking system is wrong. You are right about it being explained a thousand times on TL, but every time it says "The matchmaking systems only goal is to have each player reach a 50% win rate" so idk wtf you're talkin about bro. IdrA is pretty spot on. If one matchup was significantly easier e.g TvP, you would see terran players with a higher average win ratio in TvP, and a Lower ratio in TvZ, while still maintaining the 50% average overall winrate. The total win ratio for a player will always trend to 50% yes, but the match up specific averages will not, and can indicate imbalance. | ||
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Rannasha
Netherlands2398 Posts
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Charon1979
Austria317 Posts
The total win ratio for a player will always trend to 50% yes, but the match up specific averages will not, and can indicate imbalance. you dont see the matchup specific averages. You just see the overall average. and even then: imagine TvZ would be unbalanced in a straight up game. Z would always dominate. But most terrans will go for an marine + scv cheese anyways, bringing the terran MU specific winrate to 53% Balanced? | ||
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freerolll
Belgium1056 Posts
Is he blind? | ||
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Diavlo
Belgium2915 Posts
Typical idra, every tournament he just says "The zergs had hard groups and the protoss had easy". He said the exact opposite. According to him, the zergs who qualified had easy groups. He had grubby,cloud and delphi, Xlord had mc (who he lost to), demuslim (who was just coming back to competition) and tyler. Stephano had huk,insolence and naruto lol Idra still not giving nestea any credit !?!? Is he blind? He has said multiple time that nestea is very good. But in that gsl he played in order: jinro and clide in group stage then fruitdealer,anypro, sc (the only really good player he faced, and he barely won) and inca. You can't take that result as a proof that zerg are doing Ok, especially against protoss. Now i'm not saying that IdrA is right but the examples he takes are very well chosen to serve his point. | ||
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Helvig
Denmark55 Posts
As said previously in this thread, it is so good to see an interview which consists of Carmac and Idra having an actual conversation instead of the ask and answer type of style. A+ for Carmac!  | ||
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AmericanUmlaut
Germany2577 Posts
The conversational style of the conversation, as Helvig says above, was also a definite plus. It was very cool that they spent a good deal of time discussing a few questions instead of just doing a rapid-fire question/response. | ||
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Spekulatius
Germany2413 Posts
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EnSky
Philippines1003 Posts
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Subversive
Australia2229 Posts
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SnetteL
Belgium473 Posts
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Jampackedeon
United States2053 Posts
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Shinobi1982
1605 Posts
Tarsen: Najlepsi (which in my native language means "the most handsome one" or "prettiest" (or whatever)) For me the joke was pretty good due to the fact he was interviewed by a girl. But then I googled it and it does mean "best" in Polish (such a disappointment) . | ||
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Loooui
Sweden348 Posts
On July 20 2011 03:27 Otolia wrote: MOUAHAHAHAHAHAHAH. But no, he didn't say that. I want to know what he said. Not what you think he said. Then maybe you should just watch the interview again... And you hear exactly what he said, good idea hmm? | ||
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SmoKim
Denmark10304 Posts
thx for the interview mate! | ||
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Reere
Taiwan127 Posts
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Eufouria
United Kingdom4425 Posts
On July 19 2011 07:49 SafeAsCheese wrote: I am going to be blunt as well. IdrA plays on a different level than other foreign "professionals" except the obvious. Sen, Thorzain, huk, naniwa, idra, maybe Ret and Select. The rest are a step below There are tiers of pro play right now. There is the top code S level, the code S level, the Code A level, the Euro foreign level, the american foreign level, etc. The "48~52%" shit comes from the ENTIRE pro scene. Against standard pro level protoss like Socke, whitera, etc he has well over a 55-70% win rate. His comments on ZvP balance are limited to the next tier of play, the actual Code S korean level protoss who understand how to micro and macro and do timing attacks like Mc, Huk, and even Naniwa (yes nani is Code s level, he is much better than Tester or Genius.) By that logic couldn't you argue that Idra has trouble against players in the higher tiers of play because they are better than him? At least in PvZ. Both good interviews. Tarson is a funny guy, clearly the difference between DH and HSC is that he wasn't hung over at DH. Also does Polish always sound so seductive, or is it just Tarson? | ||
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Tuk
United Kingdom223 Posts
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