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charcute
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Canada419 Posts
July 16 2011 16:07 GMT
#1361
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.
I like to do it all night long
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
July 16 2011 16:13 GMT
#1362
Watching poker is the only thing that's more boring than watching Warcraft 3.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
noBode
Profile Joined November 2010
Thailand439 Posts
July 16 2011 16:13 GMT
#1363
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.

It's a tournament, not a cash game. He had less than 20 bbs pushing from the cutoff into 3 midstacks. He had plenty of fold equity and ATs is a plenty good hand to shove in that situation. If he can't play ATs here, he can't play even more marginal hand and he will be blinded out really soon.
MyNameWuzBoB
Profile Joined June 2011
57 Posts
July 16 2011 16:13 GMT
#1364
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.


The idea is not to get called.
leakingpear
Profile Joined March 2006
United Kingdom302 Posts
July 16 2011 16:14 GMT
#1365
You guys don't have enough information to know whether it was a good idea, it's not only his stack size it's the stack size of the 3 dudes after him, their calling ranges and whether the button and sb would be pot committed to call if the sb/bb re-shoved. In the vast majority of cases where he has <15bb it's an easy insta ship in that spot. Just trust that Kiwi knows what he's doing in shove/fold situations, the logic/math is easy, it's estimating correct ranges that's the hard part and you can't possibly know that from what watching a stream that shows less than half the hands and has inconsistent stacksizes.
guN-viCe
Profile Joined March 2010
United States687 Posts
July 16 2011 16:14 GMT
#1366
Looks like the blinds were 4k-8k, so he had about 18~ bb. He was probably thinking, "I have a strongish hand and I'm short. Don't wanna fold to a shove if I raise, so I'm gonna shove. Even if I'm called I still have good equity no matter what".

A good tourney player would probably make a 2x-2.5x raise there and fold to a shove, calling if the blinds were aggro.
Never give up, never surrender!!! ~~ Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence -Sagan
rafaliusz
Profile Joined December 2009
Poland482 Posts
July 16 2011 16:15 GMT
#1367
On July 17 2011 01:13 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.


The idea is not to get called.


What a bullshit. Kinda expected from a 1post-er tho.

User was warned for this post
TRAP[yoo]
Profile Joined December 2009
Hungary6026 Posts
July 16 2011 16:17 GMT
#1368
is it live right now or a rebroadcast at http://de.justin.tv/wsop_2011#/w/1479438464/3 ?
FTD
guoguo
Profile Blog Joined November 2009
United States121 Posts
July 16 2011 16:21 GMT
#1369
Looks like a rebroadcast, those hands happened yesterday.
ObliviousNA
Profile Joined March 2011
United States535 Posts
July 16 2011 16:21 GMT
#1370
On July 17 2011 01:17 TRAP[yoo] wrote:
is it live right now or a rebroadcast at http://de.justin.tv/wsop_2011#/w/1479438464/3 ?


Rebroadcast atm. Saw this hand last night.
Theory is when you know everything but nothing works. Practice is when everything works but no one knows why. In our lab, theory and practice are combined: nothing works and no one knows why.
Nimic
Profile Joined September 2010
Norway1360 Posts
July 16 2011 16:21 GMT
#1371
Really? Justin.tv still has region limits?
.Enigma.
Profile Joined January 2011
Sweden1461 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 16:29:02
July 16 2011 16:22 GMT
#1372
On July 17 2011 01:15 rafaliusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 01:13 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.


The idea is not to get called.


What a bullshit. Kinda expected from a 1post-er tho.


Well, he was in late position wasn't he? It makes it less likely that his opponents after him have a better ace atleast and winning the blinds in that spot is just as good if not better.
"Jupiters c*ck!" - Quintus Lentulus Batiatus
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
July 16 2011 16:24 GMT
#1373
On July 17 2011 01:15 rafaliusz wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 01:13 MyNameWuzBoB wrote:
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.


The idea is not to get called.


What a bullshit. Kinda expected from a 1post-er tho.


Its not really bullshit. In a tournament situation with a shorter stack its more along the lines of "If I shove here, do I have good odds to take down the pot now, and in the off chance I do get called, is my hand good enough to have a bit of equity?" Position and chip count of both you and the players to your left and in the blinds are far more important than the cards you have in that spot.
Shai
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada806 Posts
July 16 2011 16:30 GMT
#1374
This is why I could never be a poker player: I probably would have all-in'ed thinking, "I've already made a profit of $20,000 in a week." Good luck to KK in his continued participation in the tourny.
Eagerly awaiting Techies.
iMonAhorsE
Profile Joined June 2011
Germany275 Posts
July 16 2011 16:31 GMT
#1375
On July 17 2011 01:07 charcute wrote:
goign all in with A10 is bad since only call you have vs you is AK, AQ, AA, KK, QQ.


wow you are a real expert !
fadestep
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United States605 Posts
July 16 2011 16:33 GMT
#1376
What sites can you still play online poker at?
not a hero
Yiska
Profile Joined November 2010
141 Posts
July 16 2011 16:34 GMT
#1377
On July 17 2011 01:13 vrok wrote:
Watching poker is the only thing that's more boring than watching Warcraft 3.

Maximum trolling.
TestSubject893
Profile Joined September 2009
United States774 Posts
July 16 2011 16:36 GMT
#1378
On July 17 2011 01:33 fadestep wrote:
What sites can you still play online poker at?


In the United States you can play on Carbon, which is part of the Merge network, but I wouldn't risk depositing anywhere if I were you. They do have some freerolls if you wanna start from scratch though. After all of the stuff on black friday, I wouldnt consider any online money safe as an American. :/ It kinda sucks.
vrok
Profile Joined August 2009
Sweden2541 Posts
July 16 2011 16:36 GMT
#1379
On July 17 2011 01:34 Yiska wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 17 2011 01:13 vrok wrote:
Watching poker is the only thing that's more boring than watching Warcraft 3.

Maximum trolling.

Having opinions and trolling isn't the same thing.
"Starcraft 2 very easy game" - White-Ra
nuMi22
Profile Joined September 2010
United Kingdom165 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-07-16 16:39:42
July 16 2011 16:39 GMT
#1380
The A10 shove is perfectly fine, I would be seriously worried about his ambition to do anything in the tournament if he had folded.

He had already made the money, and now the steps up the money ladder are so small for the next few hundred spots. He can fold almost every hand and make an extra few thousand, or he can shove in marginal spots with decent fold equity and if he gets called he has decent odds against many calling ranges.

You can't be folding A10 suited at that stage with no stack. You want to be in there, but you want a stack. If he folds he blinds out and ends up making the correct shove with a big hand later on, but only doubling back up to where he was.

There was no real decision, and it's not that debatable to be honest.
Jaedong. That is all.
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