EPTfnatic.Rain suspended from GSL for 2 seasons
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zeru
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
It'd be pretty weird if he doesn't get some punishment from the league. But then again, if rain decided the drop out of Code S, I doubt he's thinking about coming back in two seasons anyways. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
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Dakk
Sweden572 Posts
How strict are they? What if someone has a really valid reason for not attending, such as sickness? This makes me really confused. Gonna do some research. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
When Idra leaved, there was a mini tourney to take his empty place. They certainly wanted to do it again, but it seems there was too late. | ||
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jjhchsc2
Korea (South)2393 Posts
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Mioraka
Canada1353 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:22 Dakk wrote: Hmm, that's odd, getting suspended for 2 seasons for just not attending the ceremony. How strict are they? What if someone has a really valid reason for not attending, such as sickness? This makes me really confused. Gonna do some research. He probabaly just didn't go and not tell them he wasnt going. | ||
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
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gm.tOSS
Germany898 Posts
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Cevari
Finland74 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
Not very professional imo. If he gave gom some more time to react, then they might have been able to deal with the group a problem a bit better. | ||
bkrow
Australia8532 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
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zeru
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Ruscour
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Carush
United States356 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:28 Ruscour wrote: Is this really necessary? He wasn't going to be competing anyway. this | ||
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ReaperX
Hong Kong1758 Posts
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nAgeDitto
United States428 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:28 Ruscour wrote: Is this really necessary? He wasn't going to be competing anyway. It sets a good example I think. | ||
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Caphe
Vietnam10817 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:28 Ruscour wrote: Is this really necessary? He wasn't going to be competing anyway. It is necessary, Rain is acting quite un-professional so Gom wants to set an example. GSL is no joke, you can't just let them know 2 days before a the tourney start that you are not gonna be there. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:28 Ruscour wrote: Is this really necessary? He wasn't going to be competing anyway. Since he didn't played in group A, he has been somhow ranked 4th, so he had the Up/Down spot. If he didn't attend neither to Up/Down, he would have a code A spot still. That's why it is needed to ban him. | ||
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guitarizt
United States1492 Posts
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leonhard
Korea (South)7 Posts
Here is the address. http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=3152013 (written in korean) | ||
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MaGariShun
Austria305 Posts
Google translate for once produced a readeable sentence. Interesting news right there | ||
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TheRPGAddict
United States1403 Posts
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Dimagus
United States1004 Posts
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Azzur
Australia6260 Posts
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EGfanBoi!DemuFtw
United Kingdom46 Posts
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
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zeru
8156 Posts
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jellyjello
Korea (South)664 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:40 leonhard wrote: Rain left words about this. Here is the address. http://www.playxp.com/sc2/bbs/view.php?article_id=3152013 (written in korean) he basically said that he takes responsibility for how it all went down, and he apologized to GOMTV and the fans. he said he didn't know the date of selection ceremony, and just happened to text GOMTV about his plan to withdraw from GSL on the same day as the selection day. | ||
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Phaded
Australia579 Posts
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
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leungwk01
United Kingdom1260 Posts
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MetalLobster
Canada532 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:53 zeru wrote: I don't think screwing up the groups is a valid argument for this. It has happened a couple times before and there was no punishment. Not letting them know he's not gonna be there a few days earlier is bad though. If rain let GOM knew a few days earlier they may have been able to fill in the empty spot, just like how Idra left Code S. | ||
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Cheebah
210 Posts
He made it deep once (I think it was the last Open Season?) got crushed by MC, and the whole community blamed him for cheesing and ruining the grand final. Then you could tell in every match he was trying so hard to look like a solid macro player, but he just never could. If I recall correctly his last code S appearance was against Inca on Terminus, and he let Inca come back while like tripling his supply. On that day, he displayed one of the worst crisis management I've ever seen (Rain vs Inca - Match 5) That kind of loss hurts a lot, and I think it made him realize he would never make it to the top of the Korean scene and get rid of his no skill/cheesy player reputation. So he decided to 'ragequit' the GSL and try his luck in the foreigner scene... GSL punished him for that, knowing it won't have any consequence anyway, but it was more a "don't fuck with us" type of thing. In fact, when Idra decided to drop out of code S, he still attented (trolled xD) the group selection and GSL made him an hilarious homage-video xD | ||
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Pwnographics
New Zealand1097 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:06 Cheebah wrote: Well Rain got a pretty hard run in the GSL. He made it deep once (I think it was the last Open Season?) got crushed by MC, and the whole community blamed him for cheesing and ruining the grand final. Then you could tell in every match he was trying so hard to look like a solid macro player, but he just never could. If I recall correctly his last code S appearance was against Inca on Terminus, and he let Inca come back while like tripling his supply. On that day, he displayed one of the worst crisis management I've ever seen (Rain vs Inca - Match 5) That kind of loss hurts a lot, and I think it made him realize he would never make it to the top of the Korean scene and get rid of his no skill/cheesy player reputation. So he decided to 'ragequit' the GSL and try his luck in the foreigner scene... GSL punished him for that, knowing it won't have any consequence anyway, but it was more a "don't fuck with us" type of thing. In fact, when Idra decided to drop out of code S, he still attented (trolled xD) the group selection and GSL made him an hilarious homage-video xD Can you link me to this homage video? | ||
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seffer
United States143 Posts
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zeru
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Jakkerr
Netherlands2549 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:09 seffer wrote: Why did Rain drop out of GSL? did he quit sc? U were living in a cave for the last few weeks? He joined Fnatic and is moving to the US lol. | ||
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HelloxD
378 Posts
players like drg,moon,maka,squirtle,ace etc(a.k.a can't think of anyone else  ) deserves these kinds of chances and all.. | ||
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Cheebah
210 Posts
There you go : Idra's farewell video - beginning of Match 2. Just soooo cheesy x) | ||
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zev318
Canada4306 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:57 MrCon wrote: That's probably an administrative punishment anyway, he certainly has broken some rule that induce a 2 years ban and the medias are making some headlines about it to generate drama. 2 seasons, not 2 years. | ||
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Goibon
New Zealand8185 Posts
Today's Code S matches were a farce, and Rain is part of the reason for that. Yeah i mad. | ||
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neo_sporin
United States516 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:06 MetalLobster wrote: If rain let GOM knew a few days earlier they may have been able to fill in the empty spot, just like how Idra left Code S. They did not fill Idra's spot when he left until the up/down portion. His group was given free wins just like Rain's was. | ||
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DisaFear
Australia4074 Posts
But it doesn't affect him, one doesn't give up a Code S spot for nothing | ||
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Zalman
Sweden65 Posts
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starcraft911
Korea (South)1263 Posts
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
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JustPassingBy
10776 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:24 Zalman wrote: They should have just given the code S spot to SlayerS_MMA based on the MLG win imo, could have just implemented the system of the MLG winner getting a Code S abit early and problem solved. If it is like with Idra, they'll give him his spot in the up-and-down matches. I think moon got Idra's up-and-down place due to his performance in whatever tournament that was. | ||
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Veldril
Thailand1817 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:16 Cheebah wrote: There you go : Idra's farewell video - beginning of Match 2. Just soooo cheesy x) Or you can search "Idra is dead" in the youtube. | ||
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RvB
Netherlands6261 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:24 Zalman wrote: They should have just given the code S spot to SlayerS_MMA based on the MLG win imo, could have just implemented the system of the MLG winner getting a Code S abit early and problem solved. + Show Spoiler + would be a bit weird since he just got knocked out of Code A | ||
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wonko
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Zalman
Sweden65 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:33 RvB wrote: + Show Spoiler + would be a bit weird since he just got knocked out of Code A Ye now ofc but they knew about Rain jumping ship before code A started so they had their chance then, now it's to late. | ||
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Zeroxk
Norway1244 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:34 wonko wrote: Sounds sorta similar to how Kespa banned boxer, nada, and the rest of the old BW pros from pro matches for three years after they forfeited their progamer status to play sc2. Theres some rule, GOM has to enforce it, both parties understand it, and it probably wont make a difference in the long run. Is that still in effect? Thought it would be lifted since Kespa and Blizz are cool now | ||
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Lennon
United Kingdom2275 Posts
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Lobo2me
Norway1213 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:23 -Zoda- wrote: It is fair. He just fucked up the Code S group A... When Idra leaved, there was a mini tourney to take his empty place. They certainly wanted to do it again, but it seems there was too late. Actually Idra's spot in code S was left empty, like with Rain's spot, but the spot in up/down matches was given to the winner of the IEM World Championship (since the 4 people left in IEM at that time all were players that were knocked out in Code A RO32). If they'll do something similar this time with his spot in up/down we'll have to wait and see. | ||
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MrCon
France29748 Posts
They can't just arbitrary choose a player, because all of you who are arguing that would still argue that they didn't choose the right player, that their criteria are stupid or whatever. There's just no way to take a fair decision. | ||
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Nightkaira
Singapore412 Posts
I'm sure the other player who were overseas, HuK, MC etc had informed GSL of their trip. This is a good punishment for Rain, its a temp 2 season ban, not a perm ban or shit. | ||
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ChriS-X
Malaysia1374 Posts
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Sableyeah
Netherlands2119 Posts
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Drake
Germany6146 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:23 -Zoda- wrote: It is fair. He just fucked up the Code S group A... When Idra leaved, there was a mini tourney to take his empty place. They certainly wanted to do it again, but it seems there was too late. WRONG the mini tournament that polt won was because someone else not could play in Idra just got BYE BYE and not got suspended ! plz keep correct | ||
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Namu
United States826 Posts
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GreEny K
Germany7312 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:22 Dakk wrote: Hmm, that's odd, getting suspended for 2 seasons for just not attending the ceremony. How strict are they? What if someone has a really valid reason for not attending, such as sickness? This makes me really confused. Gonna do some research. Other players were at dreamhack, they didn't get punished. I'm assuming he's getting singled out because he didn't tell them ahead of time. | ||
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IceSlipper
Australia1028 Posts
From memory it was pretty small, but if he hasnt moved yet, i dont see why he needed to just quit GSL instantly.. | ||
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zerious
Canada3803 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:00 ChriS-X wrote: i think they should give DRG rain's up/down spot, since he won the LG 3D tournament, like how Ace was given Idra's up/down spot when he left. They also should have given MVP back his Code-S spot after winning the World Championship, but they didn't. | ||
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Irave
United States9965 Posts
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RumTalk
Jamaica135 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:07 CoR wrote: WRONG the mini tournament that polt won was because someone else not could play in Idra just got BYE BYE and not got suspended ! plz keep correct No, just simply no, We found out about idra leaving after the group selection right before the match, however idra clarified that he informed gom prior to that, at least a week i think | ||
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vx70GTOJudgexv
United States3161 Posts
Necessary action, regardless of the direct impact it has. It sets a minimum baseline for them to fall back on. | ||
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pdd
Australia9933 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:20 zerious wrote: They also should have given MVP back his Code-S spot after winning the World Championship, but they didn't. There were no vacancies because no one dropped out then. There was one when Idra dropped out and Ace conveniently won IEM. Now there is also another vacancy because Rain has dropped off. But an argument could also be made for MMA to get the Up/Down spot because he won MLG, and all the MLG Code A seeds are going in August. Also I highly doubt that the winner of MLG Anaheim will be able to prepare to go to Code S in August in time unless they're Korean (Anaheim is only 1 week before GSL August), so it's very possible MMA might end up taking the Code S seed. Pure speculation though. | ||
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Aurdon
United States2007 Posts
Sure, it might not be a direct problem since they probably won't be doing anything there in two seasons, but GSL is expanding out of Korea. They already teamed up with MLG. You would think they'd be looking to expand to Europe and other regions as well. Business is about relationships. Rain just basically burned all his bridges with one of the big players in eSports. That's bad business for him and for Fnatic. It would have been in everyone's best interest to keep good ties. | ||
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Blackk
South Africa226 Posts
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:07 CoR wrote: WRONG the mini tournament that polt won was because someone else not could play in Idra just got BYE BYE and not got suspended ! plz keep correct I just checked and you're right. The wildcard was for LiveForever's spot. Anyways, this wildcard was oraganised beause LiveForever announced it early enough. | ||
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sandyph
Indonesia1640 Posts
but is that mean they will give an extra spot for code A next season or just leave it as bye like this season code S ? | ||
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Doso
Germany769 Posts
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Uhh Negative
United States1090 Posts
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rareh
Portugal298 Posts
In fact gom was the one acting unprofessionally, not rain. | ||
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KimJongChill
United States6429 Posts
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Mortal
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oDieN[Siege]
United States2905 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:22 Dakk wrote: Hmm, that's odd, getting suspended for 2 seasons for just not attending the ceremony. How strict are they? What if someone has a really valid reason for not attending, such as sickness? This makes me really confused. Gonna do some research. Well, obviously if there was a valid excuse to not attend the opening ceremony that would be fine. But from the looks of it.. it was just a no show. | ||
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VPCursed
1044 Posts
also lost any respect for Rain, as he has 0 integrity... Apologizing to GOM. | ||
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wonko
14 Posts
On June 28 2011 21:40 Zeroxk wrote: Is that still in effect? Thought it would be lifted since Kespa and Blizz are cool now IIRC it should be. I might have the lengths wrong, but I thought it was standard for someone who gave up their pro license to not be able to apply for it again for a few years. | ||
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ptrpb
Canada753 Posts
Oh well, I'm sure Rain doesn't really care anyways | ||
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Amui
Canada10567 Posts
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Irrelevant
United States2364 Posts
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DigitalisDestructi
United States488 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:57 VPCursed wrote: Classic stupid over reaction. Please make time for us or we hurt ur image.. kk thx? sincerely-GOM also lost any respect for Rain, as he has 0 integrity... Apologizing to GOM. You have an interesting definition for "integrity." | ||
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Boraz
United States361 Posts
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Arceus
Vietnam8333 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:46 Mortal wrote: like he gives a flying fuck. he gets to compete in all the foreign tournaments now instead of being held down by a tournament he has 0 chance of ever winning. Now that all foreign tournaments are filled with high calibre Koreans, he has 0 chance of ever winning too. Winning Go4SC2 may not be too hard for him though. GL | ||
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purecarnagge
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Haydin
United States1481 Posts
Guys, do we really need a forum freakout over this when everyone involved in the actual incident brought it to a professional end? | ||
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sefio
103 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:23 -Zoda- wrote: It is fair. He just fucked up the Code S group A... When Idra leaved, there was a mini tourney to take his empty place. They certainly wanted to do it again, but it seems there was too late. No, the situation was the same with Idra. Later Polt won the spot. Actually rain told he was leaving earlier than Idra did. Idra was at the group selection but Rain wasn't even there. | ||
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On_Slaught
United States12190 Posts
Shame that July got fucked by this. | ||
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Mobius_1
United Kingdom2763 Posts
But 2 seasons is pretty short and it's not really going to hurt Rain if he's voluntarily dropping out already. That said, Gom is probably pissed off that he broke up by text. At least have the courtesy to call! | ||
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pig-dude
United States170 Posts
On June 28 2011 22:36 Blackk wrote: nasl should learn from this My thoughts exactly. | ||
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-Zoda-
France3578 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:12 sefio wrote: No, the situation was the same with Idra. Later Polt won the spot. Actually rain told he was leaving earlier than Idra did. Idra was at the group selection but Rain wasn't even there. Please read the thread before posting dude, it is only 5 pages long. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
Im really surprised he left TSL and GSL code s though, between the 2 of them he was making some serious paper. Salary from TSL probably around 25k a year(speculation, but in terms of results he was the second best, i know FD and tester where payed the most im assuming he was third highest payed though) then at minimum 1400 (round of 32) for gsl code s. That is a very decent salary for a progamer , im surprised he would leave that all behind. | ||
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CodeskyE
United States777 Posts
On June 28 2011 20:57 MrCon wrote: That's probably an administrative punishment anyway, he certainly has broken some rule that induce a 2 years ban and the medias are making some headlines about it to generate drama. it's not 2 years, it's 2 seasons. | ||
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Executor1
1353 Posts
On June 29 2011 04:12 sefio wrote: No, the situation was the same with Idra. Later Polt won the spot. Actually rain told he was leaving earlier than Idra did. Idra was at the group selection but Rain wasn't even there. They knew idra was leaving when he was at group selection, he still had to show up for it though. He has said that he had been talking about it with gom for a while prior to that. | ||
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EnderCraft
United States1746 Posts
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Psychobabas
2531 Posts
On June 29 2011 01:46 Mortal wrote: like he gives a flying fuck. he gets to compete in all the foreign tournaments now instead of being held down by a tournament he has 0 chance of ever winning. 100% agreed  | ||
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