Terran is in a really good place right now, I don't know what else there is. They have more players, but the percentages speak for themselves. I'm a little surprised that the ZvP percentage is the way it is, Zerg seems to be doing very well against Protoss, I guess some people are yet to refine the newer style that Zerg is playing in that matchup.

Ruscour

5233 Posts

June 01 2011 09:11 GMT

#23

On June 01 2011 18:06 kellymilkies wrote:
Check korean GM. Only 1 zerg in top 16 GM @_@"" And terran win ratio % is the highest on korean ladder.

Hi Kelly ^^ Terran has the highest win rate in GM across the world because of the ladder maps; the rush distance is shorter than on tournament maps and they're more resilient against cheese, so I don't think that can be used as a balance argument. These GSL Super Tournament statistics mean more than the ladder stats do imo.

Tachion

Canada8573 Posts

June 01 2011 09:21 GMT

#24

Just gonna throw this in here cause I thought it was kinda interesting to see if the Super Tournament was really worth it to include code A & B Players.

15 code S players beat a code A/B player
8 code A/B players beat a code S player

So code S players have about a 65% success rate so far of beating the lesser ranked players.

BobMcJohnson

France2916 Posts

June 01 2011 09:29 GMT

#25

Beside the small sample size, I feel that there are more terran players that are absolute beasts than P/Z.

As really good terrans you have MVP, MKP, Bomber, MMA, Nada and sC, whereas for Zerg i cant really see much people beside Nestea, Losira and July, same for Protoss where MC, Alicia and maybe Tester are the only ones that really come to mind.

That said i'm still a bit surprised by the TvP winrate, but its probably my personal bias as i struggle in TvP x)

BronzeKnee

United States5212 Posts

June 01 2011 17:29 GMT

#26

On June 01 2011 18:21 Tachion wrote:
Just gonna throw this in here cause I thought it was kinda interesting to see if the Super Tournament was really worth it to include code A & B Players.

15 code S players beat a code A/B player
8 code A/B players beat a code S player

So code S players have about a 65% success rate so far of beating the lesser ranked players.

That is really interesting, I am going to add it to the OP.

On June 01 2011 18:29 BobMcJohnson wrote:
That said i'm still a bit surprised by the TvP winrate, but its probably my personal bias as i struggle in TvP x)

PvT is actually my best matchup, I am struggling with PvZ and PvP is just boring me.

Disquiet

Australia628 Posts

June 04 2011 02:32 GMT

#27

On June 01 2011 01:23 MrBitter wrote:
Terran is doing really well in Korea according to SC2Ranks. 9 of the top 10 spots belong to Terran players.

I'm not really sure I understand why, though...

I think this is because terran is the least susceptible to cheese. This means that the top terran players are much less likely to drop a game against an inferior opponent through chance. They get much better overall point counts because they don't often suffer the large point drop you get from losing to a low ranked opponent, since don't end up losing simply for missing a proxy or something.

But it doesn't necessarily mean much for balance.

GMonster

686 Posts

June 04 2011 02:58 GMT

#28

Should also add in some stats for Terran players VS A/B players.

corpuscle

United States1967 Posts

June 04 2011 04:21 GMT

#29

Terran has the most ways to kill/cripple their opponent in the early-game with hellions, banshees, 2rax, etc. and they aren't at a huge disadvantage if their early aggression/harass fails because of MULEs. They also have arguably the best comeback potential if they make mistakes and fall behind because siege tanks and planetaries (and, in some cases, thors/turrets/bunkers) can control space so well, allowing them to fall back on positional play and be super cost effective as long as they aren't way behind.

For these reasons, a highly skilled Terran player can be more consistent than a Protoss or Zerg of equivalent skill. If we assume that the skill distribution is the same among all the races (which may not be true), Terrans should be winning more games simply because it's hardest for a bad player to beat a superior Terran.

This isn't in any way me saying Terran is imbalanced, by the way, since I see absolutely nothing wrong with better players being able to consistently beat inferior ones. Terran has an easier time making comebacks and covering their mistakes, but they're weaker in other ways that compensate for that.

slicknav

1409 Posts

June 04 2011 04:44 GMT

#30

Has anyone considered that the number of Terrans in tournaments isn't because they are the stronger because, but just because more people play them than any of the other races? The terran population at all levels is probably much higher than zerg or protoss, so wouldn't it make sense that terrans have larger presence in this bracket style of play?

corpuscle

United States1967 Posts

June 04 2011 05:27 GMT

#31

On June 04 2011 13:44 slicknav wrote:
Has anyone considered that the number of Terrans in tournaments isn't because they are the stronger because, but just because more people play them than any of the other races? The terran population at all levels is probably much higher than zerg or protoss, so wouldn't it make sense that terrans have larger presence in this bracket style of play?

There being a larger number of Terran players doesn't explain almost 70% of the Terrans who didn't play a mirror match moving out of the first round, the number of players has nothing to do with the percentage of players of each race that moves forward.

Also, there are more Protoss than Terran in every league except Bronze (which is presumably Terran-heavy because of the campaign).