So i'm just chilling out at work watching gsl and lurking team liquid when I decide to check out sc2ranks.com. First thing i normally do is check out the masters rankings to see what the highest points are at and what my rank is but as I'm looking at the top ranked Masters league players i notice someone with the most ridiculous winrate I've ever seen.
A 96% Terran player with over 75 games played! He's easilly playing top GM players every game and still winning at such a high rate.
Two things come to mind. 1) Korean??? 2) Hacker.....
I did a search to checkout if anyone else has said anything and nothing came up.
I wanted to know what you all think of this and who you guys think it is??
My guess its someone like Bomber since he's terran practicing in the north American server before MLG. Clearly it must be a korean player from the awful name choice
Well anyways I hope to find out here.
Edit:
On May 26 2011 04:18 MGHova wrote: I'm back! lol Good to hear everyones opinion and information. So basically we concluded so far
1) Its a korean player and most likely a Terran player. 2) He likes going MMM even in TvT late game. 3) He's been playing since early May ( from what i checked at sc2ranks.com) It was rumored since Later March and early may that korean would be coming to MLG. I guess this is just further "evidence" that its a Korean.
Not much more then that, people claiming its MKB(gold float). Bomber or MMA from playstyle, or OGSHiren(from lurker).
I still think its probably MMA or Bomber.
P.s. Its also not day9 so stop saying it haha we can only hope!
Edit 2:
It has come to my attention that it might not actually be one of the MLG koreans, unless he's only playing to get used to people's style, which i almost doubt. Most like its a Korean player practicing with the latency for NASL.
Now i'm just wondering why I care so much. It must be because i'm at work and bored to shit waiting for my experiments to finish haha.
Edit 3:
LoL I love waking up and seeing my thread about some random NA player jump like 100 posts
Okay so we have some new information and theories.
1)
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
On May 26 2011 12:17 jalstar wrote: anonymous is, almost without a doubt, IMMVP.
Nearly identical hotkey map.
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
On May 25 2011 23:25 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: It could be happy's north american account, and perhaps just hasn't been promoted to GM.
It doesn't matter if you've been promoted to GM or not, at that level your still playing GM players every single game. He's currently winning at over 95% against high GM players.
Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
It's absolutely possible that "anonymous" is that good(Probably a Korean). Look at the next highest win percentage on that list ZeNEXzerO - 75-13 - 85.23% win ratio.
On May 25 2011 23:25 RoyaleBrainSlug wrote: It could be happy's north american account, and perhaps just hasn't been promoted to GM.
It doesn't matter if you've been promoted to GM or not, at that level your still playing GM players every single game. He's currently winning at over 95% against high GM players.
Lol, Happy had ~90% winrate in GM on EU for quite some time. He still has 83% winrate with almost 600 games played. As US is rubbish compared to EU, its highly possible that its happy or some other pro. Kiwikaki for example has 84% winrate and he has been in GM since the start.
On May 25 2011 23:37 Avean wrote: Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
Im on EU so i cant check.
I can't believe this thread is open for such a long time and still no one from the NA server checked this. This thread has lazy readers ^^
On May 25 2011 23:37 Avean wrote: Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
Im on EU so i cant check.
I can't believe this thread is open for such a long time and still no one from the NA server checked this. This thread has lazy readers ^^
Its because its 11am EST and 8AM PST. People who can play during the day are probably asleep and the rest are at work or school Only euro's here it seems.
On May 25 2011 23:37 Avean wrote: Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
Im on EU so i cant check.
I can't believe this thread is open for such a long time and still no one from the NA server checked this. This thread has lazy readers ^^
or he's not grand master so you can't just pull him up that easily. Euro dumb asses.
On May 25 2011 23:37 Avean wrote: Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
Im on EU so i cant check.
I can't believe this thread is open for such a long time and still no one from the NA server checked this. This thread has lazy readers ^^
or he's not grand master so you can't just pull him up that easily. Euro dumb asses.
I don't understand how people get such a crazy win rate... Maybe it's SeleCT's smurf? I know that he always had a crazy record, it was in the high 80's for dome time wasn't it?
It seems more likely to be a Korean progamer, ladder isn't that hard to get a high win rate on for someone that practices 8+ hours a day when 90% of your opponents don't play half that daily.
On May 25 2011 23:37 Avean wrote: Its US ? If someone is on US just go to the ladder page and right click his name and view profile ingame. Then check his match history and click into one of his matches. Check his build order. If there are valid games or just disconnects.
Im on EU so i cant check.
I can't believe this thread is open for such a long time and still no one from the NA server checked this. This thread has lazy readers ^^
or he's not grand master so you can't just pull him up that easily. Euro dumb asses.
According to his match history most of his games are played around 5ish EST which is morning for EU or afternoon for KR. It's likely to be a Korean player just messing around for fun between practice games.
Well he has a few achievements (Erector Time, Raining Blood, I See Dead Units, One-Finger Discount) that you would only expect to gain by playing a game rather than drop-hacking etc,and further if he was hacking vs the best in the US you would expect some complaints to be made, and Blizz are known for responding promptly to the very top on issues like this.
Finally the 3rd loss was only 22 games ago, so if there was some funny business that allowed him to get a 72-3 record you would expect the losses to be in the earlier games when the technique was being perfected, or in the most recent games where they do not work well enough to beat the best.
Given the name I would assume it is a Korean looking to practise his secret builds without giving them away in Korea.
Perhaps if we could tell who beat him, or how long the games were, or what time of day they tend to be played, or if someone actually records a replay we would know more about who he is and why his record is so high.
Finally he only has 75 games played, where most of the others have 200-500 so it might not be as representative as the others but it does look fishy when you see the win rates of everyone else at the top..
On May 26 2011 00:45 MrCeeJ wrote: if he was hacking vs the best in the US you would expect some complaints to be made, and Blizz are known for responding promptly to the very top on issues like this.
lol Pillage???
Anyway, I can't see it being a korean, there's no reason they'd practice in such bad lag. Although it could be one of the NASL guys practicing for lag (MLG guys doesn't make sense, as there will be no lag at MLG and nobody plays seriously in ladder anyway, so they wouldn't gain anything), but my best guess would be the smurf of a NA or EU pro.
He got some pretty strong anti/safe-cheese build(s) . Such high win rate is amazing, especially if it's a Korean or even European playing with a slight/big latency.
very interested to see whatsup, seems ridiculously good, and people saying he is legit, so my best guess is Bomber training for MLG, perhaps MMA. Other than that simply cant think of anyone else that could be so consistant on foreigner ladder and that would have a reason to play on NA. Maybe happy NA smurf as well, but again i see no reason :p
I'm suspecting a korean terran, like top notch (Code S).. although I don't know how they can sacrifice so many hours wasting their laddering time on NA rather than practicing...
I know for a fact that he is not a hacker. He's in my masters division, #1 obviously and I regularly check his match history.. he doesn't hack.
Althoughh he 2 raxes every tvz and tvt and 1 rax no gas FEs against all protoss.. so if anyone knows a terran who does that maybe we can find this "anonymous"
I just checked with my pals in Korea and it's just Flash apparently practising for something big coming up. He's not doing it on KOR so he won't be that easly found. So let's hope GOM will reveal whatever they have in mind soon.
On May 26 2011 00:48 MrCon wrote: He has the siege tank icon with 78 games played ? Am I missing something ?
He doesn't have it for me.. he is sporting the default kasinsky(sp?) icon and i just checked his achievements just marine/marauder/medivac dunno where u saw the siege tank
It could be a smurf or it could be a hacker, we'll need replays to make sure.
This isn't the most mindboggling thing on SC2ranks either. For example, there's this guy NvGoMax on the chinese Grandmaster ladder with over 6000 games played. http://www.sc2ranks.com/cn/95696/NvGoMax
On May 26 2011 01:12 Novalisk wrote: It could be a smurf or it could be a hacker, we'll need replays to make sure.
This isn't the most mindboggling thing on SC2ranks either. For example, there's this guy NvGoMax on the chinese Grandmaster ladder with over 6000 games played. http://www.sc2ranks.com/cn/95696/NvGoMax
On May 26 2011 00:48 MrCon wrote: He has the siege tank icon with 78 games played ? Am I missing something ?
He doesn't have it for me.. he is sporting the default kasinsky(sp?) icon and i just checked his achievements just marine/marauder/medivac dunno where u saw the siege tank
yo hova i was wondering the same thing when i found his division last week. i checked his games and they're all legit, unless of course its map hacks. i'm guessing it's a korean though
On May 26 2011 01:02 Warp wrote: I'm suspecting a korean terran, like top notch (Code S).. although I don't know how they can sacrifice so many hours wasting their laddering time on NA rather than practicing...
I know for a fact that he is not a hacker. He's in my masters division, #1 obviously and I regularly check his match history.. he doesn't hack.
Althoughh he 2 raxes every tvz and tvt and 1 rax no gas FEs against all protoss.. so if anyone knows a terran who does that maybe we can find this "anonymous"
Hi I faced him on the ladder a couple of days ago. Its been awhile and I didnt save the replay after I got raped ( when i faced him he was around 50 wins with i believe like 2 losses ) First, he is a korean player from korea. When the game started the first thing he said to me was " woww korean?" ( in korean ofc) ( he said that to me because my name is namkung which is a very rare korean last name) then we talked a little bit in korean and he told me he was playing from korea playing on NA server for fun. I never bothered asking him who he actually was bc I never knew he was really good until the end but from his playstyle .. which was no gas FE with mass bio + medivacs ( im T ) im guessing hes marineking lol. ( he was very good ) There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
Makes little sense for MKP to practice on NA ladder? He's not in NASL and not coming to MLG, I'm thinking MMA or Bomber.
There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
Makes little sense for MKP to practice on NA ladder? He's not in NASL and not coming to MLG, I'm thinking MMA or Bomber.
well I did say that I came to that conclusion with another reason (his playstyle). extremely rare do i get into TvT matchups and the opponent makes 0 tanks the entire game (was a 20 min game sitting on 3 bases) and yes i know the mass bio isn't something ONLY mkp does (altho hes famous for it)
i guess bomber isn't a bad guess after reading everything i said . afterall he is a ladder monster as well (or at least was. i havent checked sc2 ranks lately) but for me the fact that he talked to me first and was very talkative (lol) makes me think its mkp. i've watched huk face mkp many times on ladder and they always talk a lot and mkp is quite the troll lol
There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
Makes little sense for MKP to practice on NA ladder? He's not in NASL and not coming to MLG, I'm thinking MMA or Bomber.
He said he was laddering here for fun so that makes sense, and MKP was doing a lot of 1rax FE in TvP. If he 2raxes even in TvT it can be MKP playing for fun yes. (my first thought when seeing the builds used was MKP and first thoughts are always the good ones ain't they?)
There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
Makes little sense for MKP to practice on NA ladder? He's not in NASL and not coming to MLG, I'm thinking MMA or Bomber.
well I did say that I came to that conclusion with another reason (his playstyle). extremely rare do i get into TvT matchups and the opponent makes 0 tanks the entire game (was a 20 min game sitting on 3 bases) and yes i know the mass bio isn't something ONLY mkp does (altho hes famous for it)
i guess bomber isn't a bad guess after reading everything i said . afterall he is a ladder monster as well (or at least was. i havent checked sc2 ranks lately) but for me the fact that he talked to me first and was very talkative (lol) makes me think its mkp. i've watched huk face mkp many times on ladder and they always talk a lot and mkp is quite the troll lol
On May 26 2011 01:56 Mithriel wrote: Its me guys. Haha j/k
Wonder who it is. I guess MMA(if at all it is a Korean), he said he is watching some vods of opponents.
Watching VODs does not mean he is playing on NA... Anyway if it is MMA or Bomber, MLG players must fear him 'cause it looks like he's gonna crush them.
On May 26 2011 01:56 Mithriel wrote: Its me guys. Haha j/k
Wonder who it is. I guess MMA(if at all it is a Korean), he said he is watching some vods of opponents.
Watching VODs does not mean he is playing on NA... Anyway if it is MMA or Bomber, MLG players must fear him 'cause it looks like he's gonna crush them.
well i dont want to be rude or anything, but lets remember its NA after all :S not the hardest ladder from them all :S
On May 25 2011 23:52 Ixithra wrote: geez...xiaot at 86%...I'd really like to see some more games from this guy. As for anonymous, I'd say it's Bomber practicing for the MLG.
yeah xiaoT was a ridicolously good wc3 players, he retired before Orcs became the dominant race.
I'd guess it is MMA or Bomber since they will be playing MLG and both are Terrans... also couldn't imagine many other possibilities with such a win percent >_>
According to the match history he played some games back in April. Could be one of the MLG Koreans, but I don't think they knew they were going back in April, Could be wrong!
I highly doubt that it's a korean, unless they're living in the US, since the latency from KR to US would probably make you drop at least a few games against top NA GM players.
On May 26 2011 02:10 PJA wrote: I highly doubt that it's a korean, unless they're living in the US, since the latency from KR to US would probably make you drop at least a few games against top NA GM players.
Even with latency some koreans crushed NA/EU players at every FXOpen Invitational
I know thar HuK said that Koreans would dominate the NAs at MLG, and he should know best, as he was at MLG and plays on KR-Server. Although if he only ladders for fun, it could be any top terran, MKP, MVP, Bomber, MMA. Anyway, someone seen him on a stream or something? I mean if he plays the high GM players, maybe we can catch him on a Pro-stream if we get lucky. Or someone has to ask GM players to get some replays.
I don't think Koreans would ever want to practice on NA because of how bad the lag is (as seen on Artosis' stream etc.) I would think it's just another high up NA or EU player smurfing and even Drewbie shot up really fast with his Flash account but I mean that's only because there already good and going through the first 30 matches is more than likely just simply sweeping away the lower level players until the player hits where they are anyways such as Select or someone else of that caliber on NA. Some of the high up EU ladder players have way more impressive of records imo like Happy, guy plays sick amounts of games and loses like 13-15 percent which is along the same lines for the amount of games on that account.
Got owned by him for his 22-24th wins or something around there (19-21? maybe) it was quite unfortunate I was slightly favoured, even, then he was slightly favoured lol.
Seemed fairly legit... Didn't have psychic reaction time or anything...
On May 26 2011 02:27 TheSasquatch wrote: Maybe its Day[9]
come on people ... day9 ? realy lol...
and why would koreans practice for MLG at NA server? i dont get it? they will play it at "lan" anyways, so whats the point to practice from KR with high ping lol
On May 26 2011 02:27 TheSasquatch wrote: Maybe its Day[9]
come on people ... day9 ? realy lol...
and why would koreans practice for MLG at NA server? i dont get it? they will play it at "lan" anyways, so whats the point to practice from KR with high ping lol
To see if there are different strategies on the NA? I assume the last thing they went is going to MLG and getting killed by a playstyle they aren't used to. Its called being prepared, study your opponents.
Might be IdrA going back to his BW days He hasn't been streaming much recently, and he may just be using this gf thing as a coverup... Because he wants to remain "Anonymous", hmmm....
I either played against him or another person with the tag Anonymous, cept they were protoss and hammered me on tal'darim a few days after the patch. I remember lookign at the master league standings before that and recognizing the name so i asked and was promptly told to f off.
NB: mid diamond toss here
makes me wonder whether it was the same person or whether there was a slight variation of his name and if thats even possible 0.o
I'm pretty sure he's a korean player, Played him last night and he expanded then brought all his scv's and marines and attacked . Signs of a korean player (Korean server is the only server I have faced people that do that to me xD) :D
On May 26 2011 02:29 JFlame wrote: Got owned by him for his 22-24th wins or something around there (19-21? maybe) it was quite unfortunate I was slightly favoured, even, then he was slightly favoured lol.
Seemed fairly legit... Didn't have psychic reaction time or anything...
You dont have a replay, do you? I would just like to see him play.
Reading the title I was first like wtf first sony now SC2 ranks!?
Anyways I beleive it takes about 50 games/wins for a fresh account to hit the GM players matchmaking so I'm sure the first 50 matches has been a walkover for any top50 world player. What happens since is still pretty impressive though but not entirely unlikely. If we disregard the first 50 games as being newbie walkovers we are talking at a 9:1 winrate over 30 games which some EU and NA players already acomplished in short periods of time. IdrA and TLO comes to mind who had 15-20 or more wins in a row being matched against top GM players. It doesnt have to be a korean or a hacker, could just be an EU or NA topplayer on a fresh account.
On May 26 2011 01:02 Warp wrote: I'm suspecting a korean terran, like top notch (Code S).. although I don't know how they can sacrifice so many hours wasting their laddering time on NA rather than practicing...
I know for a fact that he is not a hacker. He's in my masters division, #1 obviously and I regularly check his match history.. he doesn't hack.
Althoughh he 2 raxes every tvz and tvt and 1 rax no gas FEs against all protoss.. so if anyone knows a terran who does that maybe we can find this "anonymous"
Gotta be honest, you sorta just described boxer's play style lol, but of course I wouldn't think that it would be him.
On May 26 2011 03:03 Archvil3 wrote: Reading the title I was first like wtf first sony now SC2 ranks!?
Anyways I beleive it takes about 50 games/wins for a fresh account to hit the GM players matchmaking so I'm sure the first 50 matches has been a walkover for any top50 world player. What happens since is still pretty impressive though but not entirely unlikely. If we disregard the first 50 games as being newbie walkovers we are talking at a 9:1 winrate over 30 games which some EU and NA players already acomplished in short periods of time. IdrA and TLO comes to mind who had 15-20 or more wins in a row being matched against top GM players. It doesnt have to be a korean or a hacker, could just be an EU or NA topplayer on a fresh account.
Select got to GM on Europe after like 25 matches, so I don't think very many of his matches were pushovers.
EDIT: Nm, I guess select had a lot fo games played on EU in season 1.
On May 26 2011 03:11 leviathan20 wrote: Anonymous lost against kOre (which is PhoenixWerra), sixjaxCocoA, and softball (playing zerg, which suggests it was Sen playing NA).
softball is indeed one of sen's known aka but if i recall correctly that name comes from one of his teammates/friends.. so maybe it's a shared account.
On May 26 2011 03:11 leviathan20 wrote: Anonymous lost against kOre (which is PhoenixWerra), sixjaxCocoA, and softball (playing zerg, which suggests it was Sen playing NA).
softball is indeed one of sen's known aka but if i recall correctly that name comes from one of his teammates/friends.. so maybe it's a shared account.
Wow, this is exciting! I want to know who this guy is so bad now. XD I would have guessed a korean practicing for MLG myself. Want me some replays. ^^
Tbh if he really 2rax tvt/tvz and 1rax FE tvp and speak korean it's either MKP or some NASL korean player? (there is no point to "train" for MLG with lag...) It could be sCfOu too
It's funny cause one of the chinese with one of the higher amounts of games played is called "Scientology" or maybe that was on the latin server actually. Either way, he's out there, fiercely combating anonymous.
On May 26 2011 01:36 Namkung wrote: Hi I faced him on the ladder a couple of days ago. Its been awhile and I didnt save the replay after I got raped ( when i faced him he was around 50 wins with i believe like 2 losses ) First, he is a korean player from korea. When the game started the first thing he said to me was " woww korean?" ( in korean ofc) ( he said that to me because my name is namkung which is a very rare korean last name) then we talked a little bit in korean and he told me he was playing from korea playing on NA server for fun. I never bothered asking him who he actually was bc I never knew he was really good until the end but from his playstyle .. which was no gas FE with mass bio + medivacs ( im T ) im guessing hes marineking lol. ( he was very good ) There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
About half of the posts in this thread are meaningless because nobody reads through anymore, and so nobody sees the above post. Yes, the player is korean, please stop debating this.
On May 26 2011 03:11 leviathan20 wrote: Anonymous lost against kOre (which is PhoenixWerra), sixjaxCocoA, and softball (playing zerg, which suggests it was Sen playing NA).
softball is indeed one of sen's known aka but if i recall correctly that name comes from one of his teammates/friends.. so maybe it's a shared account.
Yes they share as far as I know.
Softball is a player from Taiwan, one of the top players there and Sen uses his acc to play on NA so it's shared.
On May 26 2011 03:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I'm guessing it could be a hacker just like Pillage, and his drophack didn't work right for 3 games. That's just my thought, though :/.
Or you could read the previous pages before posting.
On May 26 2011 01:36 Namkung wrote: Hi I faced him on the ladder a couple of days ago. Its been awhile and I didnt save the replay after I got raped ( when i faced him he was around 50 wins with i believe like 2 losses ) First, he is a korean player from korea. When the game started the first thing he said to me was " woww korean?" ( in korean ofc) ( he said that to me because my name is namkung which is a very rare korean last name) then we talked a little bit in korean and he told me he was playing from korea playing on NA server for fun. I never bothered asking him who he actually was bc I never knew he was really good until the end but from his playstyle .. which was no gas FE with mass bio + medivacs ( im T ) im guessing hes marineking lol. ( he was very good ) There is one other reason for this guess. I know for a fact that MKP plays a LOT of ladder on his korean accounts and has at least 2 korean ids that he goes by on ladder ( ellenpage and his main id)
Just my thought
for people who chose not to read the thread before posting.
On May 26 2011 03:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I read the first 5 pages and all I saw was theorycrafting and silly comments. So, who is it, or are you just going to troll?
its the fact that people said they already played vs him and he's not drophacking and he neither looks/feels like a hacker with ridiculous senses.
On May 26 2011 03:49 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I read the first 5 pages and all I saw was theorycrafting and silly comments. So, who is it, or are you just going to troll?
Read MrCeeJ's comment on the second page for exemple... Or the one just under yours.
On May 25 2011 23:39 Exigaet wrote: It's absolutely possible that "anonymous" is that good(Probably a Korean). Look at the next highest win percentage on that list ZeNEXzerO - 75-13 - 85.23% win ratio.
Wow, so Koreans are taking over NA servers and stomp the competition? Cool :D Maybe they want to practice for international competition to better cope with the delay or something.
I'm back! lol Good to hear everyones opinion and information. So basically we concluded so far
1) Its a korean player and most likely a Terran player. 2) He likes going MMM even in TvT late game. 3) He's been playing since early May ( from what i checked at sc2ranks.com) It was rumored since Later March and early may that korean would be coming to MLG. I guess this is just further "evidence" that its a Korean.
Not much more then that, people claiming its MKB(gold float). Bomber or MMA from playstyle, or OGSHiren(from lurker).
I still think its probably MMA or Bomber.
P.s. Its also not day9 so stop saying it haha we can only hope!
if it's marineking he has all his production on 1 hotkey
but i dont think so, just some random KR smashing NA skulls. Not that hard to have such a high winrate against all the random scrubs you face on the NA ladder, i dont think many pros practice on there seriously and NA doesnt have a lot of inherited talent from other RTS like EU and KR have.
On May 26 2011 04:25 -Zoda- wrote: @MGHova : If you just could quote your message in the OP, it would avoid new posters saying he is not korean and so on...
On May 26 2011 04:18 MGHova wrote: I'm back! lol Good to hear everyones opinion and information. So basically we concluded so far
1) Its a korean player and most likely a Terran player. 2) He likes going MMM even in TvT late game. 3) He's been playing since early May ( from what i checked at sc2ranks.com) It was rumored since Later March and early may that korean would be coming to MLG. I guess this is just further "evidence" that its a Korean.
Not much more then that, people claiming its MKB(gold float). Bomber or MMA from playstyle, or OGSHiren(from lurker).
I still think its probably MMA or Bomber.
P.s. Its also not day9 so stop saying it haha we can only hope!
Everything sounds fine, BUT why does he need to play on NA for MLG? Its an event without latency...
On May 26 2011 04:18 MGHova wrote: I'm back! lol Good to hear everyones opinion and information. So basically we concluded so far
1) Its a korean player and most likely a Terran player. 2) He likes going MMM even in TvT late game. 3) He's been playing since early May ( from what i checked at sc2ranks.com) It was rumored since Later March and early may that korean would be coming to MLG. I guess this is just further "evidence" that its a Korean.
Not much more then that, people claiming its MKB(gold float). Bomber or MMA from playstyle, or OGSHiren(from lurker).
I still think its probably MMA or Bomber.
P.s. Its also not day9 so stop saying it haha we can only hope!
Everything sounds fine, BUT why does he need to play on NA for MLG? Its an event without latency...
On May 26 2011 03:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I'm guessing it could be a hacker just like Pillage, and his drophack didn't work right for 3 games. That's just my thought, though :/.
he's not, as I said before I played him and he didn't drop hack me just like 1 rax FE'd into bring all scv's + marine all in lol. I'm positive he's a korean who's probably just seeing how the NA's play or he's practicing for NASL or something.
If the player is playing from Korea, I suspect it's trying to adapt to the lag. We all talk about how big of an impact lag has, so it only makes sense that if this player is competing in NA tourneys (e.g. NASL) then he'd practice with the same conditions and learn to play with the lag.
On May 26 2011 04:18 MGHova wrote: I'm back! lol Good to hear everyones opinion and information. So basically we concluded so far
1) Its a korean player and most likely a Terran player. 2) He likes going MMM even in TvT late game. 3) He's been playing since early May ( from what i checked at sc2ranks.com) It was rumored since Later March and early may that korean would be coming to MLG. I guess this is just further "evidence" that its a Korean.
Not much more then that, people claiming its MKB(gold float). Bomber or MMA from playstyle, or OGSHiren(from lurker).
I still think its probably MMA or Bomber.
P.s. Its also not day9 so stop saying it haha we can only hope!
Everything sounds fine, BUT why does he need to play on NA for MLG? Its an event without latency...
Yeah your right, he doesn't really need to be playing on NA for MLG unless he's trying to get used to play styles.... I'm almost leaning towards a NASL player who's practicing before games and or just practicing in general with the latency.
On May 26 2011 03:46 JudicatorHammurabi wrote: I'm guessing it could be a hacker just like Pillage, and his drophack didn't work right for 3 games. That's just my thought, though :/.
he's not, as I said before I played him and he didn't drop hack me just like 1 rax FE'd into bring all scv's + marine all in lol. I'm positive he's a korean who's probably just seeing how the NA's play or he's practicing for NASL or something.
Hmm, that's what Bomber did versus MC in the GSTL.
Looks like the KR/NA lag isn't all that bad if he's Korean with that winratio.
/devil's advocate
But yeah, if there's legit games played, it could be a Korean, or a EU smurf (Happy comes to mind). Someone in NA GM chat him up when you meet him on the ladder.
On May 26 2011 05:19 gautamvirk86 wrote: Check out "PiLLaGe" He plays random and hasnt lost a single game so far The undefeated MASTER league player
but i dont think so, just some random KR smashing NA skulls. Not that hard to have such a high winrate against all the random scrubs you face on the NA ladder, i dont think many pros practice on there seriously and NA doesnt have a lot of inherited talent from other RTS like EU and KR have.
Arent you that guy who was on Naniwa's balls when he broke 4k on EU ladder? Same guy who keeps hating on american players every now and then? Oh right, thats you. Hi!
I got my money down on MKP/Bomber
edit: oh. he's Masters. Thought he was GM.
He only faces GM people and still maintains that winratio.
My guess is that IdrA has decided to switch to Terran, so is using this account to play without being found out. Either that or we got some new guy that is gonna wreck at MLG.
Didnt a recent patch have something to do with being promoted being locked etc? Maybe that's why he isn't in GM. There are a lot of players from any of the major regions who could get that kind of win ratio against masters and below level players.
On May 26 2011 05:43 bode927 wrote: Didnt a recent patch have something to do with being promoted being locked etc? Maybe that's why he isn't in GM. There are a lot of players from any of the major regions who could get that kind of win ratio against masters and below level players.
Please everyone refrain from posting irrelevant information. It doesn't matter what league he's in, it could be the promotion bug or it could be that there's no inactive players in GM, whichever the case is it doesn't help us figure out who anonymous is
On May 26 2011 05:43 bode927 wrote: Didnt a recent patch have something to do with being promoted being locked etc? Maybe that's why he isn't in GM. There are a lot of players from any of the major regions who could get that kind of win ratio against masters and below level players.
just because you cannot promote does not mean your ELL does not go up. i've played diamond players in the recent patch that were really, really good but the system did not promote them.
On May 26 2011 06:12 masterbreti wrote: anyone know more about this guy. so we can pull up his bnet account and looka t his match history. maybe some custom games will show more info on him
Hasn't played any custom games, nothing but 1v1.
Oh and earlier when he was logged in, GGlastshadow was also ingame at the same time, so it's definitely not him.
You'll notice that MMA puts his CC on 2, 8, and 0. And Expo CC on 9. First Rax on 3. Similar to how anonymous does in the first replay. I'll check the next two replays in a bit.
This is just from looking at the first VOD in the gom link and the first replay from tango. So feel free to speculate more.
Edit: Yeah looked at the other two replays. Same info. In the debate between MMA and MKP, its definitely MMA not MKP. Although he does take a quick gold expo in the 3rd game xD. I don't know the hotkeys of other pros tho. Could still be Boxer or someone else? Boxer has said he has played a lot with the latency before and he likes bio and banshee openings. Anyone else want to check, I can't right now. ...nvm Just remembered Boxer does the CC on 1 through 0 thing.
You didn't know who pillage is? He's pretty much the most (in)famous drop hacker. It took a very long time for Blizz to ban him even though he was at the top of GM for a fairly long time. (I'm having a bad premonition that I'm wrong :S)
You'll notice that MMA puts his CC on 2, 8, and 0. And Expo CC on 9. First Rax on 3. Similar to how anonymous does in the first replay. I'll check the next two replays in a bit.
This is just from looking at the first VOD in the gom link and the first replay from tango. So feel free to speculate more.
Edit: Yeah looked at the other two replays. Same info. In the debate between MMA and MKP, its definitely MMA not MKP. Although he does take a quick gold expo in the 3rd game xD. I don't know the hotkeys of other pros tho. Could still be Boxer or someone else? Boxer has said he has played a lot with the latency before and he likes bio and banshee openings. Anyone else want to check, I can't right now. ...nvm Just remembered Boxer does the CC on 1 through 0 thing.
On May 26 2011 07:36 sjschmidt93 wrote: This is why the GM system sucks. I guarantee Mr. 75-3 is better than at least half of the grandmasters.'
As for who it is, I would say a smurf of a really good player. I doubt anyone unknown could do that.
What makes you so sure?
You don't have to be 'known' to roll everyone on ladder. Not everyone plays the game professionally, I'd say there are people who play ladder only just as good as some of the pros. RTS games are about intelligence more than anything. I know a guy who made masters on EU in under a week, and it's the first RTS game he has ever touched in his life. He played maybe 100 games in a week and picked it up incredibly fast! you should not be so quick to assume everyone needs months of practice to get good some people are just exceptionally clever + pick up things very fast.
On May 26 2011 07:29 MGHova wrote: Great job on the research, so basically we're saying its MMA, anyone else has anything else to add or to disprove Jflames theory.
It's the most educated guess I came up with too. To add something more, the hotkey setup does not match Bomber's at all (Bomber seems not to like hotkeying past 7 and puts his rax differently etc) so I'd go with MMA.
And from the games ive seen bomber play, he also hotkeys a few scvs on 3/4 for quick building and his apm is a bit lower. So I would say MMA is the likeliest.
You'll notice that MMA puts his CC on 2, 8, and 0. And Expo CC on 9. First Rax on 3. Similar to how anonymous does in the first replay. I'll check the next two replays in a bit.
This is just from looking at the first VOD in the gom link and the first replay from tango. So feel free to speculate more.
Edit: Yeah looked at the other two replays. Same info. In the debate between MMA and MKP, its definitely MMA not MKP. Although he does take a quick gold expo in the 3rd game xD. I don't know the hotkeys of other pros tho. Could still be Boxer or someone else? Boxer has said he has played a lot with the latency before and he likes bio and banshee openings. Anyone else want to check, I can't right now. ...nvm Just remembered Boxer does the CC on 1 through 0 thing.
I have totally been lurking this post for a while, its finally looking more towards a certain player! yay team liquid! =) home we can get some 100% proof tho. awesome work
Maybe he's anonymous from PSN hack :OOOOO No, besides that odd correlation in names and his sick w/l ratio, it's probably a smurf account for some top end player who wants some practice on NA
It's probably someone from IM, mvp perhaps? I know that all the members in IM were giving US accounts. God knows why, but they would tear US a new one if they were to be actually using them.
On May 26 2011 11:49 SweetAs wrote: It's probably someone from IM, mvp perhaps? I know that all the members in IM were giving US accounts. God knows why, but they would tear US a new one if they were to be actually using them.
Well, at least that'd raise the level of competition? I mean, if we must look on the bright side ...
Every single time, I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, that a Korean player loses to a foreigner in ANY foreign tournaments, you hear ten thousand people saying it's the LAG that caused them to lose. That the lag makes the game practically UNPLAYABLE.
And now, we are all saying that a Korean is winning 96% of their games playing on NA server, making lag absolutely, absurdly, mind-bogglingly irrelevant?
On May 26 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Wait, wait.... Let me get this straight...
Every single time, I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, that a Korean player loses to a foreigner in ANY foreign tournaments, you hear ten thousand people saying it's the LAG that caused them to lose. That the lag makes the game practically UNPLAYABLE.
And now, we are all saying that a Korean is winning 96% of their games playing on NA server, making lag absolutely, absurdly, mind-bogglingly irrelevant?
MVP IS in Korea, isn't he?
Ladder isn't a best of 3, and is more susceptible to all-in or heavy pressure play as you don't have a clear understanding of your opponent's timings. From descriptions, this guy has either very safe play, or very heavy pressure vs Z and T. So it could be understandable for a good player to do well on ladder like that, even with a good amount of delay.
On May 26 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Wait, wait.... Let me get this straight...
Every single time, I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, that a Korean player loses to a foreigner in ANY foreign tournaments, you hear ten thousand people saying it's the LAG that caused them to lose. That the lag makes the game practically UNPLAYABLE.
And now, we are all saying that a Korean is winning 96% of their games playing on NA server, making lag absolutely, absurdly, mind-bogglingly irrelevant?
MVP IS in Korea, isn't he?
Lag can cause a disadvantage in a competitive setting where 2 high level players are playing, but the people you meet on ladder are far less skilled than the people you meet in TSL3. Stop trying to stir up this shit again.
On May 26 2011 04:28 ChickenLips wrote: if it's marineking he has all his production on 1 hotkey
but i dont think so, just some random KR smashing NA skulls. Not that hard to have such a high winrate against all the random scrubs you face on the NA ladder, i dont think many pros practice on there seriously and NA doesnt have a lot of inherited talent from other RTS like EU and KR have.
What are with your shitty posts bashing on NA ladder?
On May 26 2011 12:30 zyzq wrote: Why would MVP troll the NA server?
Maybe cause he wants to experiment in a server that other progamers in korea never play or look in and only US/CAN and the occasional EU player plays in.
Super, Awesome, Hotkey setup.... i should start using that.
On May 26 2011 12:30 zyzq wrote: Why would MVP troll the NA server?
Maybe cause he wants to experiment in a server that other progamers in korea never play or look in and only US/CAN and the occasional EU player plays in.
Super, Awesome, Hotkey setup.... i should start using that.
can someone explain to me what the advantage of this hotkey setup is ? Just curious how it would work.
Yeah, I think its some top Korean Terran test the NA ladder out since some of them are coming to MLG later. Its still crazy how high Korean's skill is, he probably only face Master and GM on majority of his game and still manage this hacker-like win ratio. Mass respect for him to be cheese proof for so many games O_O.
There's a HUGE difference between laddering and playing in actual tournaments. I think MVP is well aware of that, so his ladder replays may or may not be valuable. Anyways thanks for sharing
On May 26 2011 12:17 jalstar wrote: anonymous is, almost without a doubt, IMMVP.
Nearly identical hotkey map.
Wow, slight discrepancies, but that pretty much proves it. Did you do this analysis with other players, like MMA?
Before jalstar edited his post, he'd had comparisons up for MMA, Bomber, and MKP. (And anonymous, of course.) Wish he hadn't taken those down, because those were pretty interesting to look at too ...
On May 26 2011 12:17 jalstar wrote: anonymous is, almost without a doubt, IMMVP.
Nearly identical hotkey map.
Wow, slight discrepancies, but that pretty much proves it. Did you do this analysis with other players, like MMA?
Before jalstar edited his post, he'd had comparisons up for MMA, Bomber, and MKP. (And anonymous, of course.) Wish he hadn't taken those down, because those were pretty interesting to look at too ...
If he doesn't put them back up, it actually hurts his case that its MVP. Looking at it now that one comparison doesn't show anything without knowing how far away it is from others.
i dont think mvp has anything to gain by playing on the NA servers, since hes playing super tournament.
If MMA has the same hotkey layout, or even bomber..then its definately 1 of them, since they might want to see how NA players play in general to prepare for the MLG . Mvp has nothing to gain from it.
Guys, I hate to break it to you all, but I am actually anonymous. It only looks like MVP because I've been coaching him recently, and he has stolen my hot key setup. I've only been playing terran for couple weeks to give it a try on a smurf. Going back to Zerg soon.
I feel ashamed about losing 4 games already, considering I only let my grandma sit in a quarter of the games. She only has 1 hand by the way.
On May 26 2011 14:21 jdseemoreglass wrote: Guys, I hate to break it to you all, but I am actually anonymous. It only looks like MVP because I've been coaching him recently, and he has stolen my hot key setup. I've only been playing terran for couple weeks to give it a try on a smurf. Going back to Zerg soon.
I feel ashamed about losing 4 games already, considering I only let my grandma sit in a quarter of the games. She only has 1 hand by the way.
The dude has been playing in the SAGAcity Invitational (just beat TT1 2-0 about a week ago). Although, the final four are all Korean, so I don't know why he'd continue playing. Perhaps the guy speculating about the NASL prelims is correct.
On May 26 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Wait, wait.... Let me get this straight...
Every single time, I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, that a Korean player loses to a foreigner in ANY foreign tournaments, you hear ten thousand people saying it's the LAG that caused them to lose. That the lag makes the game practically UNPLAYABLE.
And now, we are all saying that a Korean is winning 96% of their games playing on NA server, making lag absolutely, absurdly, mind-bogglingly irrelevant?
MVP IS in Korea, isn't he?
Lag can cause a disadvantage in a competitive setting where 2 high level players are playing, but the people you meet on ladder are far less skilled than the people you meet in TSL3. Stop trying to stir up this shit again.
lol the top of the ladder IS made up of those people such as from TSL3, etc. And you overestimate the skill discrepancy, high masters/low grandmasters are taking games off lots of the pros.
On May 26 2011 12:17 jdseemoreglass wrote: Wait, wait.... Let me get this straight...
Every single time, I mean EVERY SINGLE TIME, that a Korean player loses to a foreigner in ANY foreign tournaments, you hear ten thousand people saying it's the LAG that caused them to lose. That the lag makes the game practically UNPLAYABLE.
And now, we are all saying that a Korean is winning 96% of their games playing on NA server, making lag absolutely, absurdly, mind-bogglingly irrelevant?
MVP IS in Korea, isn't he?
Lag can cause a disadvantage in a competitive setting where 2 high level players are playing, but the people you meet on ladder are far less skilled than the people you meet in TSL3. Stop trying to stir up this shit again.
lol the top of the ladder IS made up of those people such as from TSL3, etc. And you overestimate the skill discrepancy, high masters/low grandmasters are taking games off lots of the pros.
Watch anybody's stream and you'll see that the ratio between pros/amateurs on ladder is really low. How do you think a lot of top players have ridiculous (over70%) win percentages? Where do you think they're getting wins from? Other pros with similar percentages, or the people who ladder a lot but are simply a step below pros in skill?
On May 26 2011 14:33 Qaatar wrote: The dude has been playing in the SAGAcity Invitational (just beat TT1 2-0 about a week ago). Although, the final four are all Korean, so I don't know why he'd continue playing. Perhaps the guy speculating about the NASL prelims is correct.
In the FXOpen Invit, even if the final four were koreans, they played on NA server (better for stream etc) so maybe it's the same here. edit : to poster above : in tvt it is, especially if you hide your rax
On May 26 2011 17:29 PrideTV wrote: i just played him today, i gave him his 4th lost..
feels good beating slayers mma gg
=]
-Pride
its mvp
u have the replay?
I'm guessing you cheesed?
nah........ why would i cheese a korean ??
To say you beat him
You got a replay?
He did.
though the game was 5 mins and 38 seconds
2 rax expo pressure is hardly a cheese =]
ah 2 rax expo pressure. That must be the other name for marine scv all in. That or 2 rax expo is accompanied by a negative resource collection rate spike. Twice.
If you open up 2 rax intending to expand but see an opportunity to win right away, you take it imoho. It's not necessarily a cheese opening. That's the beauty of it.
On May 26 2011 17:29 PrideTV wrote: i just played him today, i gave him his 4th lost..
feels good beating slayers mma gg
=]
-Pride
its mvp
u have the replay?
I'm guessing you cheesed?
nah........ why would i cheese a korean ??
To say you beat him
You got a replay?
He did.
though the game was 5 mins and 38 seconds
2 rax expo pressure is hardly a cheese =]
ah 2 rax expo pressure. That must be the other name for marine scv all in. That or 2 rax expo is accompanied by a negative resource collection rate spike. Twice.
The keys also match mma and considering mma is the one heading to MLG It would make sense for him to actually pactice some games on the NA server to get a feel of their playstyles. MVP has no reason to play on NA server.
The keys also match mma and considering mma is the one heading to MLG It would make sense for him to actually pactice some games on the NA server to get a feel of their playstyles. MVP has no reason to play on NA server.
It's been established that MMA uses hotkeys 5 and 6, while MVP does not. I also find it entertaining how people completely dismiss the possibility of someone just playing on another server for FUN. Why does there have to be a tournament related goal just because they're a professional gamer? It doesn't have to be all work all day.
LoL I love waking up and seeing my thread about some random NA player jump like 100 posts
Okay so we have some new information and theories.
1)
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
On May 27 2011 00:10 MGHova wrote: I've updated the OP
LoL I love waking up and seeing my thread about some random NA player jump like 100 posts
Okay so we have some new information and theories.
1)
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
Anyways DISCUSS!
Or maybe he just ladder really for fun?
I didn't know Koreans knew how to have fun?? LoL jk. But probably not. In my opinion when i play sc2 for fun, i love playing against my teammates and use random builds etc not doing the same build over and over again on ladder
On May 27 2011 00:10 MGHova wrote: I've updated the OP
LoL I love waking up and seeing my thread about some random NA player jump like 100 posts
Okay so we have some new information and theories.
1)
On May 26 2011 13:59 jalstar wrote: Graph of MVP, MMA, and Bomber (in that order)
This image shows that bomber and MMA's hotkey signature is significantly different from Anonymous, therefore we can safely conclude that its not them!
Now it does look quite similar to IMMVP's signature, which then we can conclude that its POSSIBLY him.
If we now assume that it is MVP for the hell of it, more games and signature of Anonymous and MVP would give us more empirical evidence. Anyways the question is now.... WHY!
Why, is he playing a few game everyday or so on NA, he's clearly not laddering hard on NA or he'd have more then seventy odd games in a month. From what I see people discussing is that he's probably practicing on NA for an upcoming NASL qualifier?? His ladder games are most likely to practice against the veriety of NA strategies and dealing with the lag issues. I'm just surprised that in his match history there's no custom games. I would think that he would be practicing more then couple games a day if he wanted to get used to the delay. Unless the delay is not really a big deal.
MVP said in an interview he wanted to play in foreign tournaments, he just didn't get invites. So I assume hes either been invited to some future unannounced event, or is planning to attend a future event played on/in NA. There could be other reasons too, maybe he wants to learn how to play with lag better, maybe he wanted to see the playstyles on NA to improve his game, or maybe he just did it for fun. Who knows, what we really need is for someone to just ask him
Didn't last shadow play under the name anonymous for a while? I doubt it's him because he's not that good but it could be. Or if he's friends with someone using his account.
On May 27 2011 00:39 Legless wrote: Didn't last shadow play under the name anonymous for a while? I doubt it's him because he's not that good but it could be. Or if he's friends with someone using his account.
Pretty sure we have established its immvp, the hotkeys used are so similar that its pretty conclusive for me.
I'd just like to point out that matching hotkeys has existed for years to identify smurfs. Back in brood war, pros and amateurs alike use ladders (such as PGTour or ICCup) to practice, and the only way to identify them was through hotkey mapping. The process was probably easier then because brood war required more hotkeys (12 unit ctrl groups and no MBS) but it still works now.
The program back in brood war was called BWChart, and for sc2 it's Sc2gears.
On May 27 2011 01:09 Chronald wrote: If the hotkeys aren't the same as MVP, only similar, how can we say with resolution that this player is MVP?
It could be a different Korean doing the same thing we have been theorizing about, but just not MVP.
Don't forget there are other good Korean Terrans besides MVP.
That graph shows 3 different Pro Terran players and all 3 have significantly different hot keys. Yes obviously its not the exact same because you'll click on hotkeys depending on whats happening in the match but the same hotkeys were being used and in similar fashion.
WE ARE NOT saying that it is MVP 100%, its just our current theory and the most likely one at this time. Just like during the first few pages we were assuming that it was MMA (logically guessing), now we have some evidence that its MVP.
On May 27 2011 01:29 sVnteen wrote: maybe someone ask him when hes on???
maybe he'll say it you guys tried that before lol?
I'm still waiting on someone to do so Can someone please find out his char code so we can spam him jk But seriously if someone can find his character code and PM me i'll ask. Or if someone in his division is online at the same time they can. I know there's someone in his division on my team so i'll ask him when I get home today to do it if no one else has yet. The only problem is the timing of when he's online.
On May 27 2011 02:41 Aelionz wrote: It is EGIdrA playing terran
That joke wasn't funny the first time it was said in this thread either...
Still trying to track down who this guy is, but having no luck. I doubt it's someone training for anything, I think it's a player just having some fun here, maybe just seeing what strategies are going on on the NA server.
Still, it's definitely turning into a fun mystery.
On May 27 2011 02:41 Aelionz wrote: It is EGIdrA playing terran
That joke wasn't funny the first time it was said in this thread either...
Still trying to track down who this guy is, but having no luck. I doubt it's someone training for anything, I think it's a player just having some fun here, maybe just seeing what strategies are going on on the NA server.
Still, it's definitely turning into a fun mystery.
I know, I'm to deeply invested now to not figure this out. LoL. I'm planning on messaging him tonight if he comes on.
P.s. I totally just submitted a report on that EGIdra guy "Reason: Fed up with dumb people"
Inference from the hotkey charts is really silly. It's like people have never seen a hotkey graph before. My advice, go to the BW replays section of this website (very bottom, lower left), download 10 terran replays from 10 different terran players and load them up in BW Charts and you'll see something exactly like what was posted 10 times. There is nothing remotely unique in those graphs.
As a former BW terran player, and terran player in SC2, I'm tempted to screenshot some of my own hotkey graphs and troll you guys.
I forgot to add the one comparing anonymous and mvp to the OP. We can see that the 3 that are not alike which is MVP and two other korean terrans MMA and Bomber but he's one of MVP compared to anonymous.
On May 26 2011 12:17 jalstar wrote: anonymous is, almost without a doubt, IMMVP.
Nearly identical hotkey map.
You can dispute the evidence as much as you want, it doesn't matter. What I said in the OP is that's what we're working with at this time. So far our theory is that its MVP but obviously we cannot prove it at this point in time,
On May 27 2011 05:22 hasuterrans wrote: Inference from the hotkey charts is really silly. It's like people have never seen a hotkey graph before. My advice, go to the BW replays section of this website (very bottom, lower left), download 10 terran replays from 10 different terran players and load them up in BW Charts and you'll see something exactly like what was posted 10 times. There is nothing remotely unique in those graphs.
As a former BW terran player, and terran player in SC2, I'm tempted to screenshot some of my own hotkey graphs and troll you guys.
This is completely incorrect. Hotkey signatures are like fingerprints, almost impossible to change and still be able to play at a high level. Romad was able to identify almost every smurf on iccup/pgtour/wgtour based on their hotkey signatures and literally never be wrong.
It has to be a korean...not even europeans are this good. Could be MVP...could be MarineKingPrime....could be scfou....who knows? There are a many insanely good terran players in korea.
On May 27 2011 16:28 Kantutan wrote: Insert comment about how easy NA ladder is :p
Well I'd assume his win rate would drop once he gets over 200 games, I would think it takes a long time to start matching up with the top grandmaster players every game.
On May 27 2011 16:28 Kantutan wrote: Insert comment about how easy NA ladder is :p
Well I'd assume his win rate would drop once he gets over 200 games, I would think it takes a long time to start matching up with the top grandmaster players every game.
According to his match history, he played his first GM player on game 20. So he's been playing GM level MMR opponents for 60 games, with a 94% winrate against them.
Whether he plays against top GM players or not is I guess just dependent on what time he/they play.
On May 27 2011 16:28 Kantutan wrote: Insert comment about how easy NA ladder is :p
Well I'd assume his win rate would drop once he gets over 200 games, I would think it takes a long time to start matching up with the top grandmaster players every game.
According to his match history, he played his first GM player on game 20. So he's been playing GM level MMR opponents for 60 games, with a 94% winrate against them.
Whether he plays against top GM players or not is I guess just dependent on what time he/they play.
Exactly, you start playing GM players quite fast if your winning 100% of your games.
On May 27 2011 05:22 hasuterrans wrote: Inference from the hotkey charts is really silly. It's like people have never seen a hotkey graph before. My advice, go to the BW replays section of this website (very bottom, lower left), download 10 terran replays from 10 different terran players and load them up in BW Charts and you'll see something exactly like what was posted 10 times. There is nothing remotely unique in those graphs.
As a former BW terran player, and terran player in SC2, I'm tempted to screenshot some of my own hotkey graphs and troll you guys.
What. You know finding smurfs' main by hotkey/apm is a way to find who they are nearly 100% of the time in broodwar, right ? There is even a thread here about that in the bw section. And they're like never wrong.
Wow that is amazing you can look at hotkeys like that xD is this what people mean when they check peoples' hotkeys to find out a progamer's ID? Or usually do they do it manually? (load up a replay)
And yes I agree it is possibly MVP's, the hotkey setup is very similar.
On May 27 2011 05:22 hasuterrans wrote: Inference from the hotkey charts is really silly. It's like people have never seen a hotkey graph before. My advice, go to the BW replays section of this website (very bottom, lower left), download 10 terran replays from 10 different terran players and load them up in BW Charts and you'll see something exactly like what was posted 10 times. There is nothing remotely unique in those graphs.
As a former BW terran player, and terran player in SC2, I'm tempted to screenshot some of my own hotkey graphs and troll you guys.
As a former BW player you really should know that you're full of shit.
If you look at the hotkeys, there is a huge distinction. One of the players uses 0 from time to time, while the others don't use it at all or only a couple times. Some players (MVP) stick with 1-2-3-4, while players like MMA use 5-6-7-8-9 a lot. Bomber doesn't use 0 at all.
I really want to see games between this guy and some top NA ladder folk such as Deezer, Maker and Combat-Ex. Also, this win percentage is actually sick. Over 75 games played and he barely loses, I knew MVP was good but seriously?
On May 28 2011 08:19 Micket wrote: I really want to see games between this guy and some top NA ladder folk such as Deezer, Maker and Combat-Ex. Idra, Tyler, Select and Kiwikaki Also, this win percentage is actually sick. Over 75 games played and he barely loses, I knew MVP was good but seriously?
I agree, I would think the lag would be a real killer.. + Show Spoiler +
your "top players" are much different to what many other people consider "top players"
On May 28 2011 08:19 Micket wrote: I really want to see games between this guy and some top NA ladder folk such as Deezer, Maker and Combat-Ex. Also, this win percentage is actually sick. Over 75 games played and he barely loses, I knew MVP was good but seriously?
Korea is alot harder than NA. I'm not surprised, even with the lag. That's just awesome the fact that he's playing on NA. I wish more koreans played on NA.
On May 28 2011 20:40 Bagi wrote: Wonder if he could get the same record playing on EU...
Happy: Won 525, lost 109 (82.81% wins) (eu)
that's not to far off and the ratio has obviously gone down after 600 games. if it's actually MVP then he would have a good chance at doing even better.
On May 27 2011 05:22 hasuterrans wrote: Inference from the hotkey charts is really silly. It's like people have never seen a hotkey graph before. My advice, go to the BW replays section of this website (very bottom, lower left), download 10 terran replays from 10 different terran players and load them up in BW Charts and you'll see something exactly like what was posted 10 times. There is nothing remotely unique in those graphs.
As a former BW terran player, and terran player in SC2, I'm tempted to screenshot some of my own hotkey graphs and troll you guys.
As a former BW player you really should know that you're full of shit.
Check those threads out, and especially posts from or referencing to roMAD.
You're right I wasn't very clear when I posted so I'm full of shit. By "the hotkey charts" I was attempting to express my disagreement with inference from a single replay against another single replay. Especially inference of the type where you just put two graphs next to each other and just look at them, notice they're similar, then make a conclusion. Since this was originally a reddit post with zero analysis and two graphs pasted next to each other when I saw it reposted here at TL I was a bit hasty with my reply which was unfair to the OP. This is definitely a good contribution thread and I deserve any hate elicited by my reply.
On May 29 2011 19:27 Micket wrote: Btw, I wasn't serious about the deezer and combat ex stuff lol. It would be amazing if MVP played someone who was streaming.
On May 28 2011 03:30 -Zoda- wrote: And looking at the APM on the replay, we can see it's not extremely high, that suits Mvp well.
? Mvp has around 260 average apm, spiking up to 350+ in battles
So the hotkey setup is "kinda similar" and not exactly? Why would he be using different hotkeys? I honestly doubt it's him.
they're very similar actually... and there's not many people in the world who can get this type of record
also judging by the times they play, they're most definitely korean, and out of all the potential koreans his hotkeys matches up best, so if we were to take our best educated guess it would be MVP
tQyrUseCc played him 3 times in a row while streaming. The two chatted in Korean for a bit and seCc asked if he was MKP. Anonymous replied no, and seCc asked who he was. Anonymous said that he was MVP and the two continued chatting afterwards. With his own words and the hotkey graphs, you HAVE to assume it's MVP.
I was watching Sterlings stream (VERY good streamer please check him out, he's really helpful if u play terran) and he asked anonymous who he was and anonymous said he was immvp. so either this anonymous is a very good troll or hes immvp. his W/L say that he is mvp.
On June 11 2011 12:33 MurMiLLo wrote: I was watching Sterlings stream (VERY good streamer please check him out, he's really helpful if u play terran) and he asked anonymous who he was and anonymous said he was immvp. so either this anonymous is a very good troll or hes immvp. his W/L say that he is mvp.
And just like that... the mystery is solved.
Can you post a link to the VOD of this event or a screenshot just to confirm, please? I'm pretty interested in seeing his interaction with NA players on ladder.
Wow this is amazing , If anyone could upload any more reps of him that would be amazing, not too many on sc2rep and hes definitely a terran people could learn from watching his games.
On May 26 2011 17:29 PrideTV wrote: i just played him today, i gave him his 4th lost..
feels good beating slayers mma gg
=]
-Pride
5 minute game, lol, grats on the recent cheese success.
lol cheese dont count
Yeah, well wasn't pride the son of Bitbybit, and somewhat proud to be for some reason? I guess that makes him the terran version of Combatex, but less bmed.
On matters, did anonymous really say he was IMMVP on stream?
On June 11 2011 13:00 MrPANDAPANTS wrote: its not immvp... its demuslim -- he goes mech in tvt
i saw it in select's stream
+ his playstyle looks just like demuslim's
except he speaks in korean, and his replays that were given out so far he did not go mech
And I don't think DeMuslim could get that kind of a record without being really really lucky, no offense to him but even players like SeleCT don't have a record THAT spotless.
If this was really MVP, did he say why he was playing in NA? Is he planning on going to an international tournament outside Korea? If he is, it would be AWESOME!!!
On June 11 2011 13:07 Zeiryuu wrote: If this was really MVP, did he say why he was playing in NA? Is he planning on going to an international tournament outside Korea? If he is, it would be AWESOME!!!
If I had to guess, I would say it's more practice for possible online tournaments, though him going outside of Korea for tournaments is highly possible, I don't think he'd have to practice on the NA ladder for that. Familiarizing himself with the latency of the NA server would likely be very helpful for when he has to compete on it again, to avoid the embarrassment he suffered turing the TSL.
On June 11 2011 13:07 Zeiryuu wrote: If this was really MVP, did he say why he was playing in NA? Is he planning on going to an international tournament outside Korea? If he is, it would be AWESOME!!!
A lot of non-NA players play on NA to acclimate themselves to the latency so that they can have an easier time in online tournaments. Also, they may not want to reveal their builds when laddering on their home server, so they may test out those builds on other servers via smurf accounts.
Well done, dude! I thought Mvp underestimated your colossi a bit by not making any vikings until it's too late. Also pretty funny to see he wasted about three scans at the end there and still can't find your ballsy hidden gold expo, haha.
On June 11 2011 11:58 chadissilent wrote: tQyrUseCc played him 3 times in a row while streaming. The two chatted in Korean for a bit and seCc asked if he was MKP. Anonymous replied no, and seCc asked who he was. Anonymous said that he was MVP and the two continued chatting afterwards. With his own words and the hotkey graphs, you HAVE to assume it's MVP.
Lol damn, too bad reinforcement as marauders came so fast when you blocked his whole army at the xel'naga, it would be so sick if you were able to burn everything with your colossi. ^____^
On July 17 2011 20:02 juked wrote: why is there a oGsMC that zerg 86-2 Can we get some investigation here.
Hes ranked 4th masters
No idea if it's MC but I know that MC has really strong offraces, he was beating top EU players as random on ladder and made it to semis(or finals? dno) of some EU cup by playing random.
On July 17 2011 19:54 Skyze wrote: sorry if this is somewhat bumping from the dead; but is there a way to check OLD names on SC2ranks or anywhere for that matter?
Like say Anonymous did use his Free Rename, can you find it at all?? (not going by guessing his stats)
like is there a section on SC2ranks that shows the rename people have used?
EPT
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(or I am missing something again)
