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RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 03:48:00
May 05 2011 03:46 GMT
#221
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2011 12:35 divito wrote:
Since people seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying, I'm not saying that women are incapable of beating any males, but differences in their mental and physical makeup guarantee differences. The main reason for my posts are to hopefully enlighten people that seem to mistakenly believe that there are no differences that would allow males to perform better.

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On May 05 2011 11:55 rO_Or wrote:
Why don't you post some sources to back up your ludicrous claims. I really can't tell if youre trying to troll or being serious and just very ignorant.

Trolling has no interest for me. I speak from having the knowledge of what I've studied along with my friends. Most of my textbooks are in storage, so I can't quote directly, but I found a site that lists a few of the sources I've seen, and it's all contained within one site. Everyone will be able to read up if they're so inclined.

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Granted there is nothing current, but if I happen to go to storage in the next few days, I'll pull out some more current stuff for everyone.


So basically what you are saying is that men are inherently mentally and physically better at sc2 than women...?

The studies you offer are no evidence of the ludicrous claims you make. The idea that men and women in general may 'think' differently, in no way implies an inherent, sex related advantage to sc2. Don't try to obscure blatant sexism with the pretense of 'enlightening' others. You could argue men and women play sc2 differently if they process it differently, but your conclusion is the result of ignorance and sexism-- nothing else.




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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 05 2011 03:46 GMT
#222
On May 05 2011 12:35 divito wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Since people seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying, I'm not saying that women are incapable of beating any males, but differences in their mental and physical makeup guarantee differences. The main reason for my posts are to hopefully enlighten people that seem to mistakenly believe that there are no differences that would allow males to perform better.

On May 05 2011 11:55 rO_Or wrote:
Why don't you post some sources to back up your ludicrous claims. I really can't tell if youre trying to troll or being serious and just very ignorant.

Trolling has no interest for me. I speak from having the knowledge of what I've studied along with my friends. Most of my textbooks are in storage, so I can't quote directly, but I found a site that lists a few of the sources I've seen, and it's all contained within one site. Everyone will be able to read up if they're so inclined.

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Granted there is nothing current, but if I happen to go to storage in the next few days, I'll pull out some more current stuff for everyone.


But aren't all those differences tested with some kind of IQ tests with the problems something relatively new to the test participants? Gaming could be very different because the top players have played for hours every day for years. All that practice makes factors like motivation and focus while practicing most important for the end result of individuals.

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"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
synapse
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
China13814 Posts
May 05 2011 03:47 GMT
#223
On May 05 2011 12:35 divito wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Since people seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying, I'm not saying that women are incapable of beating any males, but differences in their mental and physical makeup guarantee differences. The main reason for my posts are to hopefully enlighten people that seem to mistakenly believe that there are no differences that would allow males to perform better.

On May 05 2011 11:55 rO_Or wrote:
Why don't you post some sources to back up your ludicrous claims. I really can't tell if youre trying to troll or being serious and just very ignorant.

Trolling has no interest for me. I speak from having the knowledge of what I've studied along with my friends. Most of my textbooks are in storage, so I can't quote directly, but I found a site that lists a few of the sources I've seen, and it's all contained within one site. Everyone will be able to read up if they're so inclined.

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Granted there is nothing current, but if I happen to go to storage in the next few days, I'll pull out some more current stuff for everyone.

I would be more inclined to suggest that the sheer lack of female gamers, especially hardcore ones, brings about a lower average skill level for the best female gamers. Many who have the potential to be the next female Flash simply never pick up gaming because either 1) society frowns upon it or 2) they are never introduced (by a friend or otherwise) to begin with.

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GagnarTheUnruly
Profile Joined July 2010
United States655 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 04:44:42
May 05 2011 03:52 GMT
#224
+ Show Spoiler +
On May 05 2011 12:35 divito wrote:
Since people seem to be misinterpreting what I'm saying, I'm not saying that women are incapable of beating any males, but differences in their mental and physical makeup guarantee differences. The main reason for my posts are to hopefully enlighten people that seem to mistakenly believe that there are no differences that would allow males to perform better.

On May 05 2011 11:55 rO_Or wrote:
Why don't you post some sources to back up your ludicrous claims. I really can't tell if youre trying to troll or being serious and just very ignorant.

Trolling has no interest for me. I speak from having the knowledge of what I've studied along with my friends. Most of my textbooks are in storage, so I can't quote directly, but I found a site that lists a few of the sources I've seen, and it's all contained within one site. Everyone will be able to read up if they're so inclined.

[image loading]
[image loading]
[image loading]

Granted there is nothing current, but if I happen to go to storage in the next few days, I'll pull out some more current stuff for everyone.


Be very careful how you interpret data like that. Without knowing how the data were gathered or what the variances are like it's very risky drawing conclusions.

It may be true that the average male has better spatial reasoning than the average female. But if 47% of females still have better spatial reasoning than the average male, what does knowing a person's sex tell you about their spatial reasoning? If gender only explains 5% of that variance, it's practically useless information even if it's statistically significant.

It's also difficult/impossible to know whether the differences are inherent genetic differences or societally influenced.

You can look at a person, identify their sex, and you can make a pretty reliable guess about what genitals they have. But knowing their sex gives you no information that can reliably tell you how that person's mind works.

NinjaEdit: In any case, Flo is a badass baller and deserves to have this thread focus on her accomplishements.

Edit2: Sorry Flo for helping to derail the thread. Best luck in all of your SC2 endeavors and know that you've earned a lot of new fans!



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divito
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Canada1213 Posts
May 05 2011 04:16 GMT
#225
On May 05 2011 12:46 RedJustice wrote:
The studies you offer are no evidence of the ludicrous claims you make. The idea that men and women in general may 'think' differently, in no way implies an inherent, sex related advantage to sc2. Don't try to obscure blatant sexism with the pretense of 'enlightening' others. You could argue men and women play sc2 differently if they process it differently, but your conclusion is the result of ignorance and sexism-- nothing else.

LOL. Straw man. Not even close to what I was suggesting.

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RedJustice
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1004 Posts
May 05 2011 04:31 GMT
#226
On May 05 2011 13:16 divito wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 12:46 RedJustice wrote:
The studies you offer are no evidence of the ludicrous claims you make. The idea that men and women in general may 'think' differently, in no way implies an inherent, sex related advantage to sc2. Don't try to obscure blatant sexism with the pretense of 'enlightening' others. You could argue men and women play sc2 differently if they process it differently, but your conclusion is the result of ignorance and sexism-- nothing else.

LOL. Straw man. Not even close to what I was suggesting.


Orly because...

On May 05 2011 12:35 divito wrote:
The main reason for my posts are to hopefully enlighten people that seem to mistakenly believe that there are no differences that would allow males to perform better.


On May 05 2011 11:39 divito wrote:
It's not even about the mind. Open a biology textbook beyond first year, and you'll find plenty. We're not just talking about how the brain differs (which it does unequivocally), but we're talking physically as well.

And before the "moving a mouse isn't physical" nonsense comes out, we're talking about the differences in motor skills, dexterity, etc... Add in the thought process differences and it's not hard to see. And this is all found by reading.



So basically you said-- you are trying to inform people they are wrong to think males do not differ from females in a way that allows them to perform better (than females), one which example you gave as being physical (moving a mouse), and then others being related to the way the male and female brains process information.

Either you are having great difficulties properly communicating your meaning, or I am not misconstruing and misinterpreting what you are saying at all, and which case you are just making a ridiculous, sexist conclusion that any inherent differences between men and women make men 'better' at sc2.

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Hot_Bid
Profile Blog Joined October 2003
Braavos36402 Posts
May 05 2011 04:33 GMT
#227
Can we stop the offtopic bullshit please?

Every single time...
@Hot_Bid on Twitter - ESPORTS life since 2010 - http://i.imgur.com/U2psw.png
affect
Profile Joined June 2010
United States60 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 09:01:53
May 05 2011 08:56 GMT
#228
On May 05 2011 13:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
Can we stop the offtopic bullshit please?

Every single time...


I have no idea why TL staff needs to warn every single post that they disagree with. moderating a website is fine, but i think sometimes the admins go to far, it makes people scared to post something that might be very relevant in fear of being banned. I understand that people post inappropriate things, but half of this stuff is not even that bad. I just don't get why people cant discuss a subject that is of interest without getting some temp ban or warning, when the post is not even offensive.

I have felt this way on many other subjects, but i guess i just wanted to get this out now... I have not posted many things on this forum, but i have been around for quiet some time. I thought that this was something that needed to be said.

I want this site to stay awesome :D

Congrats on the win Flo :D
im cool
Mailing
Profile Joined March 2011
United States3087 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-05-05 09:00:37
May 05 2011 09:00 GMT
#229
On May 05 2011 17:56 affect wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 05 2011 13:33 Hot_Bid wrote:
Can we stop the offtopic bullshit please?

Every single time...


I have no idea why TL staff needs to warn every single post that they disagree with. moderating a website is fine, but i think sometimes the admins go to far, it makes people scared to post something that might be very relevant in fear of being banned. I understand that people post inappropriate things, but half of this stuff is not even that bad. I just don't get why people cant discuss a subject that is of interest without getting some temp ban or warning, when the post is not even offensive.

I have felt this way on many other subjects, but i guess i just wanted to get this out now... I have not posted many things on this forum, but i have been around for quiet some time. I thought that this was something that needed to be said.

I want this site to stay the best :D

Congrats on the win Flo :D


He warned people that were posting stuff that he deemed irrelevant (white knighters, tourney complainers), highly doubt hot bid just said "LETS WARN THIS ENTIRE PAGE~!"

And yes, congrats flooooo
Are you hurting ESPORTS? Find out today - http://www.teamliquid.net/blogs/viewblog.php?topic_id=232866
Steveling
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Greece10806 Posts
May 05 2011 09:47 GMT
#230
Oh,that's awesome.Finally we see some female action.Gratz flo!
Give us more stuff Pica.

My dick has shrunk to the point where it looks like I have 3 balls.
aka_star
Profile Blog Joined July 2007
United Kingdom1546 Posts
May 05 2011 10:07 GMT
#231
I ♥ Flo and the Pikachu for the mandarin lessons on his stream
FlashDave.999 aka Star
WGT-Baal
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
France3510 Posts
May 05 2011 10:14 GMT
#232
Congratulations Flo! Good Luck in upcoming tournaments too!
Horang2 fan
Soulglider
Profile Joined April 2011
China10 Posts
May 05 2011 10:29 GMT
#233
Awesome! Congrats. Don't listen to the haters. Nice interview.
Losing is for Winners
teer
Profile Joined September 2010
United States189 Posts
May 05 2011 11:50 GMT
#234
♥ Luway too bad she had connection problems....... And congrats flo. TERRAN POWAA BABY!!! w00t
morx
Profile Joined August 2010
Sweden12 Posts
May 05 2011 21:08 GMT
#235
On April 25 2011 20:04 annul wrote:
you argue that "the reason they get attention is because we give them attention, so it's our fault."

you infer that this is why people complain about the female cup.

you are incorrect.

YOU all divide the community across the gender line by running the "female cup." period.

there is no fundamental difference in a male person's physiological make-up that determines whether they will be more skilled at this game than a female. if there is a cultural split, work on mending that. there is no split in the game itself. let people's skill shine, not their gender.

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The thing is men are better than women, that's just how it is and will always be.

For example, name a couple of things which women are better than men at, for example world records, nothing comes to mind when I try to think about anything that women are better at.

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MayanWarrior
Profile Joined April 2011
United States62 Posts
May 05 2011 21:39 GMT
#236
Congrats =]
FecalFrown
Profile Joined June 2010
215 Posts
May 05 2011 21:48 GMT
#237
On May 06 2011 06:08 morx wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 25 2011 20:04 annul wrote:
you argue that "the reason they get attention is because we give them attention, so it's our fault."

you infer that this is why people complain about the female cup.

you are incorrect.

YOU all divide the community across the gender line by running the "female cup." period.

there is no fundamental difference in a male person's physiological make-up that determines whether they will be more skilled at this game than a female. if there is a cultural split, work on mending that. there is no split in the game itself. let people's skill shine, not their gender.

User was temp banned for this post.


The thing is men are better than women, that's just how it is and will always be.

For example, name a couple of things which women are better than men at, for example world records, nothing comes to mind when I try to think about anything that women are better at.


Incoming temp ban. I suppose you're trolling though, and fully expect it.
EZPikachu
Profile Joined February 2011
United States51 Posts
May 11 2011 21:24 GMT
#238
flo is going to start streaming the following week,
http://www.teamliquid.net/video/streams/-flo-
tune in and enjoy ^_^

I'll keep an update on when is the next female ESL as well

慢慢來 比較快 @ justin.tv/ezsc2
KillAudio
Profile Joined October 2010
1364 Posts
May 11 2011 23:22 GMT
#239
did linda liao join the tournament?
From a scale of sheth to idra, how mad are you?
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