... you have DJWheat as having more game knowledge than Tasteless ... I have no words to describe how wrong that is to me.
Interesting idea, but ... the information it gives is just plain wrong imho.
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aebriol
Norway2066 Posts
... you have DJWheat as having more game knowledge than Tasteless ... I have no words to describe how wrong that is to me. Interesting idea, but ... the information it gives is just plain wrong imho. | ||
bustanut
United States76 Posts
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:16 bustanut wrote: Artosis , honestly, should be touching every tip of the pentagon you got there this ^^^^^^^^^^^^ | ||
ThatGuy89
United Kingdom1968 Posts
im sorry but thats rubbish. personally i think every caster says things at times that are just plain wrong when it comes to stratergy/unit compositions or something, but i can barely take artosis seriously when i listen to him the fact that incontrol and idra actually play this game at a high level, having artosis that close to them is quite insulting apart from that its a good idea, and i agree with alot of it | ||
Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On October 15 2011 11:04 ThatGuy89 wrote: artosis having that much game knowledge? im sorry but thats rubbish. personally i think every caster says things at times that are just plain wrong when it comes to stratergy/unit compositions or something, but i can barely take artosis seriously when i listen to him the fact that incontrol and idra actually play this game at a high level, having artosis that close to them is quite insulting apart from that its a good idea, and i agree with alot of it Could you give me a clear example of Artosis being completly wrong? Name us a game, please. IdrA and InControl are playing at high level, sure... but do you know how many games Artosis watch each day? You don't have to play at super high level to have super great game knowledge, that's a ridiculous statement. Knowledge =/= skills. That's exactly why players need coach in sports and e-sports. | ||
Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
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nihoh
Australia978 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:16 bustanut wrote: Artosis , honestly, should be touching every tip of the pentagon you got there Agleed. Except in close call situations in certain matchups.. He always makes the wrong call, that I somehow feel, even a Diamond level player would be able to tell 9/10 times correctly the outcome. | ||
Ertu
Greece686 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:03 aebriol wrote: ... you have DJWheat as having more game knowledge than Tasteless ... I have no words to describe how wrong that is to me. Interesting idea, but ... the information it gives is just plain wrong imho. I agree,this chart was a pretty good idea but a failed execution... Also,it looks like you think the best caster overall is... Incontrol??? | ||
dranko
Sweden378 Posts
On October 15 2011 10:03 aebriol wrote: ... you have DJWheat as having more game knowledge than Tasteless ... I have no words to describe how wrong that is to me. Interesting idea, but ... the information it gives is just plain wrong imho. I agree with this guy. Also, doesn't the Analytic Ability come directly from game knowledge? Why 2 separate sections. (I guess a square would look silly.) Even according to the graph, they're almost exactly the same for everyone except HD. | ||
courtpanda
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Seeker
Where dat snitch at?36904 Posts
On October 15 2011 11:26 alexlw92 wrote: this is turning into a power rank thread Lol, the SC2 Casters monthly PR. OMFG, TL LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN!!! That being said, Tasteless and Artosis should be higher in that pentagon | ||
brachester
Australia1786 Posts
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Xalorian
Canada433 Posts
On October 15 2011 11:23 Ertu wrote: I agree,this chart was a pretty good idea but a failed execution... Also,it looks like you think the best caster overall is... Incontrol??? I, for one, could not care less about charts or graph. How could you even mesure something like game knowledge and humour on a scale? What is 5, what is 2, what is 4? And InControl is actually a great caster. But casters are not liked because of game knowledge but because of the entertaining value that they bring to the table. And that can't be calculated on a scale and is all about personnals preferences. Artosis just happens to know a shit ton about this game and being entertaining at the same time. A nice, calm voice. Same about Day9 and Tasteless. I personnaly dislike DoA or Wolf, for example, but wolf does know a lot about starcraft. It's just that I don't like their voices that much and that's all, but I do understand that a lot of people like them. TL;DR It's all about personnals preferences, no need for graphs and fancy shits like that, | ||
SpoR
United States1542 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:03 Emporio wrote: Show nested quote + On February 17 2011 05:55 Bobster wrote: On February 17 2011 05:40 RvB wrote: On February 17 2011 05:24 Bobster wrote: All up to personal preference. Some want the insight, some want the pure entertainment, some want the mix (either in a single person, or by combining one and the other - Tastosis!) There's people who do not care about game knowledge, and can appreciate enthusiastic casters that are purely entertaining without showing deeper insight into the game. Popular casters like Totalbiscuit, Khaldor, itmeJP, Tasteless or Husky are good examples for this, (albeit to varying degrees, obviously). Then there are the dryer analysts, who drop the game knowledge, know all the timings and BOs inside out and can correctly predict how a game will progress from a certain point on, but are themselves not the most entertaining persons to listen to. Examples for this type of caster would be most pro-gamers without casting experience, like Idra when he stood in during GSL1, Martijn from Assembly, that type. There's also the very rare breed of the caster that excels in several of these areas, people who are entertaining and funny, yet possess a deep knowledge of the game as well. Artosis, Day9, incontrol are names that come to mind immediately. I think the relevant caster skills would be (in no particular order) - Game knowledge - Analytic Ability - Quick Wit - Humour - Enthusiasm I think everyone agrees that a caster needs either a solid stat in every category, or has to truly excel in one or two categories to be worth listening to. Of course, caster duos add these up and in this way can make up for each other's weaknesses. And what the hell, just for fun, have some whimsical graphs on how I see some of the casters. >_> I personally think people severly underestimate the game knowledge of Tasteless. I think ( but it's just speculation ofc ) that it's his job to get Artosis to analyze what I mean by that is that Tasteless is the one who has to ask the questions what he thinks every viewer is wondering so Artosis can explain it. I think he just plays kind of a role and he does it perfectly. On topic I think it's definetly needed that someone entertains while the other does the analysis. A lot of people wont watch if its only analysis while there is the more hardcore group that wouldn't watch as much if it was only entertainment. So they try to combine it to hook up as many viewers to the stream at all times it's just business :p. Oh yeah, absolutely. The balanced mix is probably your safest bet to get as many people to watch your cast as possible, from the pure entertainment seeker to the hardcore analyst. So applying this to the current topic (without actually knowing kellymilkies), I'd wager that Torch will take over the analysis part because he does have a decent amount of game knowledge and kelly will provide more of the play by play part. I guess we'll have to see how their chemistry and balance is to judge them as a casting duo. And because people seemed to enjoy them, another round of caster stats. All my personal opinion, obviously. Sorry to bump an old thread, but this came up as I was searching for stuff, and this picture was way too sexy to not bring back for people to look at again. I'm also interested in how people think casters have changed over the last 8 months, especially people like Husky, and maybe djWheat, as well as how newer big casters (Mr. Bitter, Rotti, dApollo) stack up. Well, those last guys aren't new per se, but they are maybe recently much more in the public eye. This chart is terrible. Tasteless has no quick wit? By this chart the best casting team would be day and incontrol? That sounds like shit | ||
MotherOfRunes
Germany2861 Posts
this is the most stupid thing ever...wheat and hd more analytical than tasteless.... geez.....i mean nice effort, but its still totally wrong.... lol this picture makes me really angry..... | ||
Magnitoo
Serbia125 Posts
However, if you have a proper combination of people (Tastostis, dApollo/TotalBiscuit, Cats/PainUser,JP/Artosis, Day9/Husky) you can get both decent game knowledge as well as a certain value of entertainment, and this, imho, is the best thing. Personally I could just listen to Day9 talk all the time, he has such a great personality and he is not scared to show it while still displaying immaculate game sense. As for the graphs, it could use some adjustments, but it is mostly true | ||
MotherOfRunes
Germany2861 Posts
On October 15 2011 06:30 Emporio wrote: Please take into consideration that I did not make the graphs; I simply found them and decided to bump the thread. I agree with the general consensus of the comparisons, plus you have to take into consideration that in Febuary, I think HD was still considered like top 5 casters, especially in his enthusiasm. I don't completely agree with the guy's ratings but I did really like his display method. sorry didnt see that...dont feel offended, i meant the creator of this graph :D | ||
Ryler
Slovenia370 Posts
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KDot2
United States1213 Posts
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baubo
China3370 Posts
The problem comes when the caster describes intricacies that viewers can't appreciate(knowledge gap too wide) or when the viewer can see that the caster is just blatantly wrong. | ||
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