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On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done  Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world.
Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit.
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Man this game was so sick, it was like 2 AM CST when he played this, and chat flooooooooooooooooooded when the game was done. It was just so epic...
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Great game. Harassment everywhere on the map by both players, Epic battles and long macro game. Not too much more you could ask for.
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Great game and great players, especially considering how long the game lasted. That's what separate pros from Joes, the ability to not only play top notch in an 8 minute game but a 30+ minute one as well.
However...
+ Show Spoiler +Truth be told I found it a little boring aside from the solid macro and micro. Idra was just clearly ahead the entire game and was never in any real danger of falling behind. MVP played well enough to not die, but I was hoping for a better game with more back and forth.
On February 06 2011 09:18 Meatpuppet wrote:
Gotta say that is the best game I've ever seen. Not whining about balance but it seemed idra had to play so well to deal with the ever growing terran presance in the middle of the map, and deal with all the drop play. It's just intimidiating to think you have to play like that to beat a strong macro terran. I understand MVP played extremely well too.
Any prespective from a terran on the more demanding aspects of what MVP was called on to perform? Splitting marines in the top right corner seemed impressive, dropship micro seemed strong, overall just good decision making by MVP. Also seemed like some signifigant mistakes made though losing so many tanks/dropships to the early muta ball.
I disagree with Idra getting lucky MVP didn't push up the ramp with his timing attack, I think mostly he wanted to force IDRA to make some units, delay his 3rd or snipe his 3rd. Also in general I don't think most progamers just blind a-move during a strong timing attack period. Even if he scouted the ramp would he still want to go? It's a big toss of the dice to just gamble that Idra just spend a round of larvae on drones and didn't have a group of 10+ lings morphed into banes in response to MVP moving out.
Not a Terran but a Random player. The difficult part for the Terran is dealing with superior Zerg mobility. Artosis was spot on in pointing out that Idra's killing the tanks/medivacs midgame was crucial and probably had a landslide effect. If a Terran drops the ball for one sec and a Zerg has good muta control, on a big map like Shakuras it's definitely easy to pick off crucial units like that.
Not that I think it was 'easier' for the Zerg, but I disagree with you that Idra had to work harder. The micro goes both ways.
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Artosis, if you're reading this thread:
Your commentary is great, but the one thing that puts me off from watching your casts for long is the fast scroll speed with the arrow keys/mouse. I'm only 12 minutes into the video and it's giving me a headache. You scroll around the screen often to see the map, and because of the fast scroll speed it makes the image blur, especially without an uber high FPS. If you could turn down the scroll speed in the future, at least just for casts, that's be great. Thanks.
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On February 06 2011 10:15 Durn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world. Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit.
I don't think that's true.
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Such a great game! Keep pumping more stuff out to us artosis! We love it!
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I remember watching this on stream and thinking "only a matter of time before this is up on youtube via artosis.
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On February 06 2011 10:43 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:15 Durn wrote:On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world. Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit. I don't think that's true.
It isn't.
The second part about Koreans not gg'ing isn't either, nearly every korean player I've seen on Idra's stream gg's.
Also Idra took down the best player in the world once, I hope people will get over that soon.
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On February 06 2011 10:43 AndAgain wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:15 Durn wrote:On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world. Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit. I don't think that's true.
The truth is, other players know IdrA reputation well enough that try bait him into raging, calling him grack and shit, etc.
If people know they can get under your skin, they're going to do everything they can to annoy the piss and shit out of you.
(Edited a bit because its a boring topic.)
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Watched this live. Def even better watching it the second time:D thanks for the upload!
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On February 06 2011 10:15 Durn wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world. Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit.
You don't watch IdrA's stream.
I watch it very very often, and I never saw he gg in a game which he lost.
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Brilliant shout cast, Artosis you are a Boss.
Epic game awesome macro and micro from both players.
Thank you
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On February 06 2011 10:49 dunc wrote:Show nested quote +On February 06 2011 10:43 AndAgain wrote:On February 06 2011 10:15 Durn wrote:On February 06 2011 10:12 Megaliskuu wrote:On February 06 2011 09:16 MCMXVI wrote:IMMvp is still better than Idra, just because he says GG before he leaves the game, something Idra with 99.8% certainty wouldn't have done Yup I say gg every game therefore I'm the best player in the world. Get a fucking clue kid. Idra took down the best sc2 player in the world. Seriously. If you've ever watched IdrA's stream, you'd know he gg's on any game that goes into macro, unless he makes a huge misclick or something. The guy knows respect, and he calls gg when he sees it. If it wasn't a good game, he doesn't say it. If you watched his stream, you'd also know that ~70% of the Koreans he plays against rage quit. I don't think that's true. It isn't. The second part about Koreans not gg'ing isn't either, nearly every korean player I've seen on Idra's stream gg's. Also Idra took down the best player in the world once, I hope people will get over that soon.
just food for thought, but, i play on the korean sever (at a much lower level) and i get gg's about 50/50.. depends on the person either way. the biggest thing to take away from it is how little i care about someone saying gg or not. of all the things to complain about, who really cares if someone types gg
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Leaving a game on ladder with no gg =/= rage quitting
And Defacer, I don't see why it's a strategic weakness. If anything, attracting asshole behavior from other players is a competitive advantage. If someone plays differently from their normal behavior, they'll be playing suboptimally; the same concept applies in poker (more so there, but still somewhat here).
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Thanks for casting this! Great game and great commentary! 
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so ez
i was watching the stream at the time, i think the best moment of any zerg in sc2 was when he killed about 50 marines with fungal
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Great game, thanks for the cast Artosis. IdrA's macro and Muta harass never fails to impress.
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On February 06 2011 11:07 Space Invader wrote:so ez i was watching the stream at the time, i think the best moment of any zerg in sc2 was when he killed about 50 marines with fungal
And then it was down to 200 minerals per minute ten seconds later.
Whoa op.
Good game all in all tho, I especially liked how he baited the vikings with brood lords only to back them off and fly in with mutas to kill the approaching vikings.
Didn't think MVP would fall for that one personally.
Also not sure why MVP didn't grab the closer expansions to his top right rather than going for one that was easily harassable miles away, although I guess that could leave his main open.
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EPT
