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Klaent
Profile Joined October 2010
Sweden374 Posts
March 20 2011 12:11 GMT
#1101
How have i missed this until today? Has it never been spotlighted?
Saw the latest one, guess i have a few hours to watch to catch up then ^^
Highly entertaining.
And gz on beating Jeff, you played very well.

"On a scale from 1 to Idra, how mad are you right now?" -ROOTDestiny
Andamanen
Profile Joined October 2010
Netherlands915 Posts
March 20 2011 15:23 GMT
#1102
On March 20 2011 21:11 Klaent wrote:
How have i missed this until today? Has it never been spotlighted?
Saw the latest one, guess i have a few hours to watch to catch up then ^^
Highly entertaining.
And gz on beating Jeff, you played very well.


The Catz show is highly recommended.
Erandorr
Profile Blog Joined October 2010
2283 Posts
March 20 2011 23:19 GMT
#1103
Fairly certain the VOD with darkforce is broken, at least for me Every other episode works fine
GreatOldOne
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
101 Posts
March 21 2011 01:00 GMT
#1104
Hey, was a blast playing on your stream today! Keep up the good job, I can't wait for the next seasons as well =)

Also, kick ass in MLG!
PD
Profile Joined July 2010
Norway66 Posts
March 21 2011 01:32 GMT
#1105
Would be amazing if you went over some of the protoss builds seen in the GSL finals. At the moment I feel that sixgate is about as one-sided as a gang-rape and I'm absolutely clueless as to how to hold off a well executed one. (as was July apparently...)
Solo operative, right?
dave333
Profile Joined August 2010
United States915 Posts
March 21 2011 01:36 GMT
#1106
do any of these cover the 5/6 gate allin push? i heard there was one with machine that deals with it with roaches and burrow
zylog
Profile Joined August 2010
Canada943 Posts
March 21 2011 04:09 GMT
#1107
On March 21 2011 10:36 dave333 wrote:
do any of these cover the 5/6 gate allin push? i heard there was one with machine that deals with it with roaches and burrow

I think there was one with Machine from before the 12 weeks show formally started:

http://mrbitter.blip.tv/file/4446565/

If I remember correctly, the build was 14 pool 16 hatch 20/21 gas, building spines to hold off early pressure, then transitioning to burrow roaches after lair tech. Basically, heavy gateway play means no mobile detection which can be abusable with burrow.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
March 21 2011 06:35 GMT
#1108
Yea Machine's build is a little bit antiquated these days. Most high level Toss will just 4 gate if they see you take such a late gas...

That doesn't make the advice bad, though. You'll probably want to just change up the build a bit to get an earlier ling speed.

In other news:

Week 11: Preparing for MLG.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. 5 nights. 5 pros.

This will be a much more "coaching" focused week, with me playing for almost the full 2 hours.

We'll be pulling people out of chat to play bo3s against me as I prepare for MLG Dallas.

Looking forward to it, gonna' be a huuge blast.

I will announce the guests as soon as the last 2 confirm!
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
March 21 2011 09:50 GMT
#1109
Like to see you play @ MLG! gl g.g. ; )

And you did a great job casting the TLO vs Catz showmatch! Would be nice to see you do more casting, if you find some time.
Blackeye
Profile Joined March 2011
Netherlands19 Posts
March 21 2011 10:02 GMT
#1110
Heeeye Bitter and Everyone Else,

A few days ago you were coaching some guy your Roach timing push in ZvP. I have been doing that since then against toss!
But after doing it like 15 times i was thinking of the roachwarren timing. The Build you coached was 14 pool 16 Hatch. On what timing in the build you build your Roach Warren?? Is this right after Lair finishes or earlier??
I hope you could let me know! Thanx and keep up the good work!
Psyclon
Profile Joined July 2010
Bulgaria2443 Posts
March 21 2011 10:09 GMT
#1111
5 pros? Five? FIVE?

Wish i had a cheerleader squad handy and make them spell "AWESOME"!

Can't wait for the announcement!
Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds!
Shrewmy
Profile Joined May 2010
Australia199 Posts
March 21 2011 10:15 GMT
#1112
On March 08 2011 01:01 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 08 2011 00:30 Shrewmy wrote:
Hey MrBitter.

Your music plays from vip.aersia.net doesn't it? I noticed because all of the music from it recently was on their video game music stream


Yes it does!

Also, <3<3 Dimaga.

I'm uploading the VOD now. He also sent me a replay pack to include, which I will also be posting. =)

Haha, knew it.

Keep it up anyway, you're the one channel that I watch consistently.
Blackthorne
Profile Joined June 2010
Norway69 Posts
March 21 2011 10:19 GMT
#1113
Did the replay pack from Dimaga ever get linked?
EddyBee
Profile Joined April 2010
Netherlands46 Posts
March 21 2011 13:18 GMT
#1114
Absolutely LOVE these VODS. Been following them for quite some time.

THANK YOU!!

Esp. loved Ret and Dimaga.

Keep it up
“We are not retreating. We are advancing in another direction.” Douglas MacArthur
Tiazi
Profile Joined February 2010
Netherlands761 Posts
March 21 2011 13:30 GMT
#1115
On March 21 2011 15:35 MrBitter wrote:
Yea Machine's build is a little bit antiquated these days. Most high level Toss will just 4 gate if they see you take such a late gas...

That doesn't make the advice bad, though. You'll probably want to just change up the build a bit to get an earlier ling speed.

In other news:

Week 11: Preparing for MLG.
Tuesday, Wednesday, Thursday, Friday, Saturday. 5 nights. 5 pros.

This will be a much more "coaching" focused week, with me playing for almost the full 2 hours.

We'll be pulling people out of chat to play bo3s against me as I prepare for MLG Dallas.

Looking forward to it, gonna' be a huuge blast.

I will announce the guests as soon as the last 2 confirm!


Sounds awesome man, cannot wait!

What do you think about your chances going to MLG? I know who my favorite underdog is at least!

"A brilliant yet deluded man once said, 'Introduce a little anarchy. Upset the established order, and everything becomes chaos.' Gumiho is that agent of chaos." -monk
iNViCiOUZ
Profile Joined January 2011
Germany364 Posts
March 21 2011 15:06 GMT
#1116
On March 21 2011 19:02 Blackeye wrote:
Heeeye Bitter and Everyone Else,

A few days ago you were coaching some guy your Roach timing push in ZvP. I have been doing that since then against toss!
But after doing it like 15 times i was thinking of the roachwarren timing. The Build you coached was 14 pool 16 Hatch. On what timing in the build you build your Roach Warren?? Is this right after Lair finishes or earlier??
I hope you could let me know! Thanx and keep up the good work!


Can you explain the Build a bit more?
I played a bit with a Roach push in ZvP with moderate success. I really like to see know more of that!
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-03-21 16:35:36
March 21 2011 16:35 GMT
#1117
On March 21 2011 19:02 Blackeye wrote:
Heeeye Bitter and Everyone Else,

A few days ago you were coaching some guy your Roach timing push in ZvP. I have been doing that since then against toss!
But after doing it like 15 times i was thinking of the roachwarren timing. The Build you coached was 14 pool 16 Hatch. On what timing in the build you build your Roach Warren?? Is this right after Lair finishes or earlier??
I hope you could let me know! Thanx and keep up the good work!


The exact timing is suspect to some flexibility. For example, if Toss is being more aggressive, you might want it faster...

The most important detail is remembering to make sure it starts before Lair is 25% complete.

This way, when Lair is done, your Roach Warren will also be done, allowing you to start burrow+speed+unit production immediately.
Heraklitus
Profile Joined September 2010
United States553 Posts
March 21 2011 16:46 GMT
#1118
On March 22 2011 01:35 MrBitter wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 21 2011 19:02 Blackeye wrote:
Heeeye Bitter and Everyone Else,

A few days ago you were coaching some guy your Roach timing push in ZvP. I have been doing that since then against toss!
But after doing it like 15 times i was thinking of the roachwarren timing. The Build you coached was 14 pool 16 Hatch. On what timing in the build you build your Roach Warren?? Is this right after Lair finishes or earlier??
I hope you could let me know! Thanx and keep up the good work!


The exact timing is suspect to some flexibility. For example, if Toss is being more aggressive, you might want it faster...

The most important detail is remembering to make sure it starts before Lair is 25% complete.

This way, when Lair is done, your Roach Warren will also be done, allowing you to start burrow+speed+unit production immediately.


Bitter,

What do you make of adding +1 range upgrade with this as well? I've been trying adding the evo chamber right when Lair starts--that timing roughly allows me to start +1 in time to go along with burrow and roach speed. I can't tell if it's worth it or not yet.

Thanks for all the great VODs man! I'll be cheering for you in MLG Dallas! :-)
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
March 21 2011 16:52 GMT
#1119
On March 22 2011 01:46 Heraklitus wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 22 2011 01:35 MrBitter wrote:
On March 21 2011 19:02 Blackeye wrote:
Heeeye Bitter and Everyone Else,

A few days ago you were coaching some guy your Roach timing push in ZvP. I have been doing that since then against toss!
But after doing it like 15 times i was thinking of the roachwarren timing. The Build you coached was 14 pool 16 Hatch. On what timing in the build you build your Roach Warren?? Is this right after Lair finishes or earlier??
I hope you could let me know! Thanx and keep up the good work!


The exact timing is suspect to some flexibility. For example, if Toss is being more aggressive, you might want it faster...

The most important detail is remembering to make sure it starts before Lair is 25% complete.

This way, when Lair is done, your Roach Warren will also be done, allowing you to start burrow+speed+unit production immediately.


Bitter,

What do you make of adding +1 range upgrade with this as well? I've been trying adding the evo chamber right when Lair starts--that timing roughly allows me to start +1 in time to go along with burrow and roach speed. I can't tell if it's worth it or not yet.

Thanks for all the great VODs man! I'll be cheering for you in MLG Dallas! :-)


The whole purpose of a burrow push is to punish Toss before he has mobile detection.

Adding +1 will really screw up that timing, and also means 4 less roaches.

I'd advise against adding +1 for this particular build.
MrBitter
Profile Joined January 2008
United States2940 Posts
March 21 2011 19:29 GMT
#1120
K. Schedule is finalized:

The topic: Preparing for MLG - Best of 3s against Viewers with Guidance from our Pro Coaches.

Tuesday, 4PM EST. Ret.
Wednesday, 7PM EST. iNcontroL
Thursday, 10PM EST. Sheth
Friday, 7PM EST. Spanishiwa
Saturday, 12PM EST. Titan

hOlYfUcK!!!!

Best week evar!
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