EPTEmailing ESPN Regarding Broadcasting SC2 - Page 15
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imJealous
United States1382 Posts
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LlamaNamedOsama
United States1900 Posts
"it will never work!" But there is always some chance that it could. Chance that it works: X > 0 The chance that it would if no letter is sent? Chance that it works: Y = 0. I think it's pretty intuitive for everyone to see that X > Y. [This is, of course, excluding the possibility that some external force would get SC2 TV-time, aka Blizzard. But logically, the chance of Blizzard getting broadcast time is equivalent whether or not a fan/community sends in a letter]. "Boo ESPN, send it to G4/Spike/other alternative TV station." Absolutely no reason why you can't do both. Why not less "it won't work"s and more "here's some suggestions on how to fix reasons why it won't work"? This is, of course, assuming that everyone, regardless of their beliefs on whether it would or wouldn't work, would actually like it if it did work. What's there to lose? | ||
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fainez
United States91 Posts
edit: Also ESPN is not very friendly to new ideas... If your someone that has been following the progression of soccer in the US, and ESPN's general attitude towards it, you will know what I mean. G4 would be perfect, because the hosts on the channel would be supporting it, you would be introducing the game/sport to tons of "video game people" that aren't into starcraft yet. anyways, just my thoughts. never a bad thing to throw new idea's around to grow esports. | ||
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Wedge
Canada580 Posts
On December 05 2010 14:57 heyoka wrote: Here is a funny story Manifesto once told. [this was long before I was staff I have no idea who he is actually referring to] For what its worth ESPN at one point played Magic: the Gathering (I have a commercial VHS product of this, its hilarious) and Randy Buehler has very publicly said this was one of the worst decisions they ever made. Their game being horrible for spectating aside, apparently working with them as a non-television entity was a nightmare (thought I've never heard why aside from ESPN being more controlling than they wanted). Of course it won't hurt to try, best of luck with the initiative! That thread is awesome. Can't believe I missed it. | ||
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JunEZerg96
United States3 Posts
Thoughts? | ||
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JunEZerg96
United States3 Posts
On December 13 2010 07:56 fainez wrote: I really don't think Starcraft 2 on ESPN is even a good idea, it's not going to gain any new fans on their channels anyways, just my thoughts. never a bad thing to throw new idea's around to grow esports. How so? For example, I never watch ESPN. I love starcraft 2. If espn started showing sc2 tournaments, I would watch espn religiously. Unless you think the sc2 community already watches espn all the time (*wonders what IdrA's favorite football team is*) and therefore nothing new would change whereas nobody from sc2 watches g4tv? Sorta faulty logic isn't it? ESPN would be branching out to a huge community that they didn't have already versus G4tv making a segment dedicated to sc2 viewers who would probably shift their attention from any of their other shows and focus more (and possibly only) to the starcraft 2 segment. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
And it appeals directly to the most coveted demographic, 18 to 35 year old males, the original video game generation. | ||
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
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Slasher
United States1095 Posts
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Defacer
Canada5052 Posts
On December 13 2010 10:30 Slasher wrote: For the love of me, please close this thread Why? I'm not being facetious. Has this one been talked to death? | ||
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Slago
Canada726 Posts
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MonsieurGrimm
Canada2441 Posts
On December 04 2010 02:51 anderkas wrote: The issue with sc2 broadcasting is that viewers need to 1) accept gaming or "esports" as a valid medium (not too many americans can) 2) have some general interest in the game. Unlike real sports, sc2 is not intuitive in how it works. 1) No, if someone changes channel and there's a game of Starcraft II on, they aren't going to say to themselves "THIS GAME CANNOT BE CONSIDERED ANYTHING MORE THAN CHILDS PLAY AND ANY THOUGHTS OTHERWISE OFFEND ME", then proceed to throw their television out the fourth storey window. They'll probably just watch it because... 2) Its a bunch of shit shooting/biting other shit, at it's basic level. How is that not intuitive? There aren't many people who would say no to big fights and stuff, and the casters can bridge the gaps in between the action. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
They have desk clerks check the contact us pages. SOMETIMES. (And not the sort of people who would be able to help you with this). No. If you REALLY want this - you have to do that thing that everyone seems to afraid to do. You're going to have to CALL them. (OMG I NOEZ RITE!!) Then, I promise you, you'll get way further than you ever would with some letter no one's going to read. | ||
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Noev
United States1105 Posts
On December 13 2010 10:29 Defacer wrote: And considering there are fans like me that stay up to FOUR IN THE MORNING to watch GSL, there is definitely potential to broadcasting the show at midnight or 1 in the morning, when these channels are struggling to find programming. I couldn't agree more, i'm am up at 5am EST to watch these people play this great game, i can not see what else they could possibly have to run at that time. Even if its just a rebroadcast at the same time i can see the picture quality being way higher and both ESPN and GomTV making some extra cash from the sponsors. I'm sure they could keep the same sponsors they have now for that time slot until it gains popularity and other perhaps larger sponsors decide they want in on the action. Just a thought, don't see any reason to not try and get this to happen, worst case situation they say no and we are right back to where we are now | ||
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RedThor
116 Posts
Sent in both letters, thank you for putting them together. | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
On December 13 2010 07:51 LlamaNamedOsama wrote: The naysayers aren't really providing any reason whatsoever why the OP should not be carried out... "it will never work!" But there is always some chance that it could. Chance that it works: X > 0 The chance that it would if no letter is sent? Chance that it works: Y = 0. I think it's pretty intuitive for everyone to see that X > Y. [This is, of course, excluding the possibility that some external force would get SC2 TV-time, aka Blizzard. But logically, the chance of Blizzard getting broadcast time is equivalent whether or not a fan/community sends in a letter]. "Boo ESPN, send it to G4/Spike/other alternative TV station." Absolutely no reason why you can't do both. Why not less "it won't work"s and more "here's some suggestions on how to fix reasons why it won't work"? This is, of course, assuming that everyone, regardless of their beliefs on whether it would or wouldn't work, would actually like it if it did work. What's there to lose? Letters have a 1 in a bajillion chance of being read by the right person at the right time. The OP has to not be a pussy, and actually consider CALLING them up and putting forward his case. If the viewership numbers hold up, they won't care that he's some 16 year old who wants to watch his games on TV, as long as there's some sort of financial opportunity for ESPN. Simple. BUT.. he has to.. CALL THEM UP!! | ||
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BC.KoRn
Canada567 Posts
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hmunkey
United Kingdom1973 Posts
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avilo
United States4100 Posts
a) There's no real marketable players. b) 99% of players at the top are barely even paid, if at all. sports pros/poker pros make money c) there is no precedent, or on-going league in North America. d) anything else logical that you can think of Why would ESPN or any other major network here air SC2 games? There is not even an on-going league, all we have is MLG once every few months...and out of MLG how many players are making their living as a professional gamer? Not many. Yes, we could make backstories up for players and the events, but it would not be relevant to anyone at all except us who are already in the SC community and in the know-how of it all. If people really want SC2 to ever be broadcasted seriously in North America then the players would need to get paid to play this game. There'd have to be an on-going league to follow. There'd have to be something you could "keep up with" that viewers can wrap their heads around. With football, basketball, etc. there are "seasons," there's playoffs, there's plenty of games going on and people can easily keep track. You don't have that with SC2 here, and from the looks of it it either a) (pessimistic view) it will never ever happen in North America b) (optimistic view) it will happen down the road in about 5-10 years, while in the meantime the rest of us are the on the forefront of it all. It's pretty ludicrous to mass email ESPN or even think they would broadcast SC2 at this point in time. Sorry to be the downer...but that's the reality. edit: although, I suppose there are some good points being made that if they can broadcast a goddamn spelling bee, then SC2 could not be a far stretch...LOFL COME ON, A SPELLING BEE FFS! | ||
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andrewwiggin
Australia435 Posts
1. Are your viewer numbers real, or bullshit? That would be critical question numero uno. If your numbers are an inflated pack of lies, then whoever you reached inside ESPN to pitch this to the head honchos just put his ass on the line for the big fall. Everyone likes protecting their asses, so no one will move to broadcast SC2 without bona fide certified numbers. 2. Can we legally broadcast this? This question relates to the licensing surrounding music, and of course..the actual game. It's all well and good that ESPN may want to broadcast sc2. But if Blizzard say, has entered into some 'exclusive world-wide streaming rights' with GOMTV, then there might be a few problems to say the least. ESPN doesn't ever want to enter into some lawsuit with Blizzard for copyright infringement, let alone some international law suit of the same sort. So, sort out the legal work for them, make it a clean easy thing that they can just do as soon as they decide to, and that's the second step overcome. 3. How do we pitch this to advertisers? Viewer numbers are all well and good. But viewer numbers mean squat if the show can't attract advertisers. ESPN will be worried about this because SC2 broadcasting is a pretty unique proposition. It's not like Poker, or go fishing or the other examples mentioned. It is SORT of like MTG... but MTG has an incredible American base. But that's what you need to do - convince ESPN that the advertisers who pay for ad time during MTG broadcasting would benefit just as much, if not more, from SC2 broadcasting spaces. ESPN doesn't want to have to dig up advertisers, or have only a few advertisers who can dictate ad-space pricing. So cover that base for them (likely/possible advertisers) and you're set to go. Just a few thoughts. Oh. And CALL THEM UP!!! That last one is probably the most important. -___- | ||
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