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On September 14 2010 16:47 swuSC2 wrote:
Except when you actually look at NON-US, NON-EUROPE Top 20 you'd see that:
Taiwan: P 6/ T 6 / 8 Z / 1 R
SEA: 12 P/ 4 T / 4 Z
Korea: P 5 / 8 T /7 Z
So stop throwing statistics at why T is OP. I mean if you look at this is Protoss OP in SEA then? I mean if all the Zerg players hating on T in the US+Europe are just basing their rationale on Top XX players then maybe white people can't play Z?
How about you people post something useful on another post actually analyzing why something or not being over powered instead of jumping into these posts and saying stuff like "Wow these statistics are IMBA.
And if you look at how TLO destroyed a really decent Korean Zerg, you might realize that not the European Zergs are lacking, but the Korean Terrans are. I haven't seen a single Korean Terran at the level of the best EU/US ones yet, and I watched every single GOMTV match so far. It's not because they are Koreans that they are automatically to be considered better. They lack a lot in a few aspects of the game - though I have no doubt they will quickly catch up once the "real" top players start SC2.
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On September 14 2010 16:47 swuSC2 wrote:
white people can't play Z? Double racism all the way! :D
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it's all because of the medivac.. *sigh*
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On September 14 2010 17:32 Qikz wrote:
I don't think this is down to imbalance.
This is more the fact there is more T players overall than Z/P players, so more stratergies are being developed for Terran.
You're right, but what's more is because of the roach nerf that Blizzard did on a whim, Zerg players suddenly had to figure out new ways to play, and most just gave up at that point because the nerf destroyed every developed build.
Existing P and T builds became stronger and Z builds were set back to square one.
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The notion that Korean T isn't as good as NA/EU T is a joke. If you watch their games that are sick. NA/EU T is great about find tons of shitty all-ins for T... something impossible to scout most of the time. Thus, the distorted balance. Koreans play a much more solid and impressive T than NA/EU.
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This list actually made me switch to from T to Z.
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On September 14 2010 17:38 Rebornx3 wrote:
it's all because of the medivac.. *sigh* One of the problems... since the unit serves opposing rolls in one... is it there to re-enforce your bio ball? Is it there to drop? You can't tell like you could in BW. BW making or or the other, or both gave clear clues about your overall strat. SC2 it's just a big question mark.
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On September 14 2010 17:48 sk` wrote:
The notion that Korean T isn't as good as NA/EU T is a joke. If you watch their games that are sick. NA/EU T is great about find tons of shitty all-ins for T... something impossible to scout most of the time. Thus, the distorted balance. Koreans play a much more solid and impressive T than NA/EU.
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Yesterdays GSL pretty much all T's made some kind of proxy or early all-in?
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On September 14 2010 17:54 qoiN wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 17:48 sk` wrote:
The notion that Korean T isn't as good as NA/EU T is a joke. If you watch their games that are sick. NA/EU T is great about find tons of shitty all-ins for T... something impossible to scout most of the time. Thus, the distorted balance. Koreans play a much more solid and impressive T than NA/EU. ? Yesterdays GSL pretty much all T's made some kind of proxy or early all-in? "Pretty much all" and "all" are not the same. But frankly, early all-ins, anywhere, should be common since they are impossible or very difficult to scout with how the game is.
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On September 14 2010 14:14 illumination wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 12:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It'd be so much more interesting if people discussed players and not races.
btw I'm gonna be #1 on the next ranking How do you discuss players? Racial imbalance is part of the player so you cant really separate them. I guess you can have one of those idra videos where he bms everyone but we know how those go... W.E i guess ill start. Silver has like 90 apm and is just bad at the game but hes a top player now. That was much more productive!
Search "kespa rank" in BW forum for examples.
Less is known about these SC2 players than those BW players. But interesting things can be done like grabbing stats from sc2ranks and attaching them to Blizzard's ranking. People could discuss what players seem to be better at ladder and what players seem to be better at tournaments (and why this might be the case). People could point out who has high/low win percentage and high/low games played.
For people to take this thread as an opportunity to discuss race balance for the billionth time is just ridiculously embarrassingly bad and so boring and unfortunately there isn't really any good reason to ban anyone for it.
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Even if he's not a "real NA player," gotta hand it to kOre for being a hero and representing the Swarm in the top 20. That W/L ratio is pretty incredible. I didn't know that he had a stream, but you can be sure that I will be checking it out.
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"every player with at least 10 apm can play terran perfectly!" <- mohaha!
some of the players in that list just massed games 
demuslims win ratio is pretty good!
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On September 14 2010 16:47 swuSC2 wrote:
Except when you actually look at NON-US, NON-EUROPE Top 20 you'd see that:
Taiwan: P 6/ T 6 / 8 Z / 1 R
SEA: 12 P/ 4 T / 4 Z
Korea: P 5 / 8 T /7 Z
So stop throwing statistics at why T is OP. I mean if you look at this is Protoss OP in SEA then? I mean if all the Zerg players hating on T in the US+Europe are just basing their rationale on Top XX players then maybe white people can't play Z?
How about you people post something useful on another post actually analyzing why something or not being over powered instead of jumping into these posts and saying stuff like "Wow these statistics are IMBA.
So if we ignore two of the largest communities in the game and look at smaller player samples we will find that racial imbalance is a non-issue?
Gotcha.
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most zerg player give up because of all the whiner . they got owned and just think '' OMG IMBA''
they dont check the replay , check the error they have done ect , they stop at omg imba .
just reading what you guy say completly demotive any zerg trying to become good probably .
you just repeat the fact that zerg are not strong , but no one try to find anything to fix that , that would be better no ? im sure they are some way for make the zerg realy good at higher level because they got the most potential from all the race .
baneling/infestor/ultralisk = z v t .
that the main reason protoss and terran skill level get higher and higher while zerg stay low that the confidence , hell just reading topic like that motivate me in t v z .
( the korean on the other hand are still realy trying and dont wait for blizzard patch )
im not saying that because korean are better , but im sure you find less whine about zerg in korean website and forum .
and my english suck , you can make fun of me if you want to feal better .
i was realy writing that for help zerg player , no hate plz .
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On September 14 2010 23:24 Liquid`Tyler wrote:Show nested quote +On September 14 2010 14:14 illumination wrote:On September 14 2010 12:02 Liquid`Tyler wrote:
It'd be so much more interesting if people discussed players and not races.
btw I'm gonna be #1 on the next ranking How do you discuss players? Racial imbalance is part of the player so you cant really separate them. I guess you can have one of those idra videos where he bms everyone but we know how those go... W.E i guess ill start. Silver has like 90 apm and is just bad at the game but hes a top player now. That was much more productive! Search "kespa rank" in BW forum for examples. Less is known about these SC2 players than those BW players. But interesting things can be done like grabbing stats from sc2ranks and attaching them to Blizzard's ranking. People could discuss what players seem to be better at ladder and what players seem to be better at tournaments (and why this might be the case). People could point out who has high/low win percentage and high/low games played. For people to take this thread as an opportunity to discuss race balance for the billionth time is just ridiculously embarrassingly bad and so boring and unfortunately there isn't really any good reason to ban anyone for it.
Why don't you explain what you're saying?
What I see from the stats is that Terran is too versatile. You have gimmicky Terrans, all-in Terrans, strategic Terrans and then a few "actually good" Terrans, like Morrow.
All the Zerg players are patient macro masters like IdrA and Dimaga.
So yes there might be a playstyle that Zerg can be played with that allows them to win at very high level BUT the lack of versatility is very worrying.
As I said before, these stats can't show high level balance, but to me what they show is a very poorly constructed game where one race has far too much versatility.
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I like their banner
![[image loading]](http://us.media3.battle.net/cms/blog_header/97QZC4ZBAHIB1281572337132.jpg)
Notice the terran symbol 
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how is a population of 20...statistic relevant? post top 5% of players than we will see ^^
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Wow, it's so nice to see Zerg represented in that list (-_-')
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lol i cant believe it's a terran symbol in the top 200 picture , that made me LOL xd
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koreans do better as zerg cuz they try harder
Slush is one of the very good zerg and I don't see him crying imba all the time, we all agreed some things needed tweaks, but he still tries to find ways to win his games and just get better
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