lol if you would actually listen to what IdrA says. I'm a Terran user and I agree with IdrA.

The way IdrA is saying, is that Zerg will only win if the opponent is making mistakes/not playing well enough.

Oreo7

United States1647 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17722

Day is getting at something but is having trouble articulating it.

Basically the problem I see with Idra's state of mind is that he thinks Zerg has lack of scouting, but then he views scouting only as use of ovies. I think zerg can scout just by picking up on reads that the terran drops.

I do agree zerg needs something to scout, but their options besides overlords. He needs to widen his mindset. Scouting should mean saccing an ovie, it should also mean poking with lings and checking marine numbers, stealing gas and canceling it over and over again, using more than one ovie to scout etc.

I'm a protoss so correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't see these being used (often) ZvT.

Justanx

United States240 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17723

He doesn't like his replays analyzed , cuz just like liquid used nazgul to knock idra into loser bracket at MLG.

On_Slaught

United States12190 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17724

On May 04 2011 13:37 Killerkrack wrote:
Day9 got absolutely destroyed. He literally didn't bring up one counter point to what Idra was saying besides saying "well I just don't agree" in between random grunts.

Please stop being ignorant.

Idra spouts some stuff that we've head 100x that makes it sound like zerg never wins, ever.

Day9 is asked to solve the zerg race in 10seconds, otherwise he loses.

This is one big fail after another.

Engore

United States1916 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17725

I think most everyone could agree that Zerg is the hardest to play. Protoss and terran don't come close. I've played all 3 a bit and i can't do zerg at all i'd rather play 1945 video games. Protoss and terran i have a chance.

Brotatolol

United States1742 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17726

I giggled at the lack of aggression part and then Idra said that he had been cheesing : 3.

Psyclon

Bulgaria2443 Posts

May 04 2011 04:38 GMT

#17727

60 more viewers and we're there!

Techno

1900 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17728

Zerg has no aggressive oppurtunities:

Uhhh eco bust, anyone?

If zerg defends the first Terran attack with only losing his army, the zerg has won the game. If IdrA could do what he wants to do, he would be completely unbeatable, no matter how good the Terran the player is.

Xdivine

Canada13 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17729

I think idra is right. He's trying to point out that if you can't scout, you can't do something to attempt to counter what the enemy is doing. But if you cannot scout you need a build that can defend against multiple situations and if zerg builds too defensively then they are automatically at a disadvantage.

TheTenthDoc

United States9561 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17730

On May 04 2011 13:37 arb wrote:

Show nested quote +

No, Day9 is talking about other options and cant give any.
IdrA even asked for "what are some of these options" and Day9 couldnt give him any.

No he isnt supposed to fix the race but he DOES NOT have an answer for the points IdrA's making imo atleast.

Well, Day9 offered the Spanishiwa style, to which IdrA responded he felt it was too defensive. Isn't that exactly what IdrA desires? That or good scouting?

Goibon

New Zealand8185 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17731

We're so close. If you're reading this, START WATCHING PLEASE.

Zeri

United States773 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17732

I absolutely love this discussion! thanks guys...

Ribbon

United States5278 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17733

Idra says we wants a build that's safe against everything.

Day[9] says Spanishiwa.

Idra says it doesn't beat super-greedy builds.

Idra wants Zerg to be able to hard-counter EVERYTHING.

elmizzt

United States3309 Posts

May 04 2011 04:39 GMT

#17734

And you people thought sotg couldn't get a measly 20k viewers LOL oh ye of little faith