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Lylat
Profile Joined August 2009
France8575 Posts
May 22 2010 10:25 GMT
#21
Supported!
But did they say they that they won't make an overall ladder ranking in the final release?
ColorsOfRainbow
Profile Joined February 2010
Germany354 Posts
May 22 2010 10:25 GMT
#22
you are so right dude !
LooseMoose
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States184 Posts
May 22 2010 10:27 GMT
#23
/signed
crappyleft
Profile Joined April 2010
99 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 10:42:16
May 22 2010 10:28 GMT
#24
On May 22 2010 19:14 leveller wrote:
/signed sealed and sent to elven_z for playtesting...

Post on the official forums!


I feel like such a nerd for knowing what that means, but ROFL.

Also if Blizzard made a decent ladder system, users like the OP wouldn't need to make these sites in the first place. But yeah removing identifiers screwed a lot of people over.
Capresis
Profile Joined September 2008
United States518 Posts
May 22 2010 10:28 GMT
#25
/Signed

Hope Blizzard complies, I'm sick of this.
MadLag
Profile Joined March 2010
Poland82 Posts
May 22 2010 10:28 GMT
#26
they not gonna change bear it guys ; / w3 had amazing ladder system before patch 1.14 but they change it since tones of nubs were crying that they play game so long and they deserve to have higher level :D so now u have system that dont show where u realy are making all these guys feel like omg im top 10 !!
Marksman
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Malaysia523 Posts
May 22 2010 10:29 GMT
#27
/Signed

especially the identifiers part.
I live by the LoL
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
Last Edited: 2010-05-22 10:31:31
May 22 2010 10:30 GMT
#28
On May 22 2010 19:25 Lylat wrote:
Supported!
But did they say they that they won't make an overall ladder ranking in the final release?

They have commented several times in support of their current division system, suggesting that an overall ladder ranking would not be as useful.

They have also mentioned their pro league a few times as a prestigious ladder, but the details on how it will be implemented remain hidden. It's likely they haven't decided exactly how they want to do it yet. My hope is that with a little pressure from the community they will get it right and solve most of the global rankings problem. Without that pressure, though, I fear that they will simply continue along their current path of information hiding.
Skygrinder
Profile Joined August 2009
Greece241 Posts
May 22 2010 10:31 GMT
#29
/signed
EU: Psychodrama.295 ~ Diamond Random
One.two
Profile Joined April 2010
Canada116 Posts
May 22 2010 10:33 GMT
#30
Agreed... but probably not a simple solution here... they left the leveling system of war3 for a reason... but divisions isn't the best as we all agree here.
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SnowFantasy
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
4173 Posts
May 22 2010 10:34 GMT
#31
I don't play SC2 much but I agree completely with everything you have said.
Heyoka
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
Katowice25012 Posts
May 22 2010 10:36 GMT
#32
I can't say I agree with this more, it had me so up in arms briefly that I wrote a piece on it.

They haven't said shit about what the pro league thing will be though, so I have my fingers crossed that this is all in vain and that league will address our problems. Who knows!
@RealHeyoka | ESL / DreamHack StarCraft Lead
Zaphid
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Czech Republic1860 Posts
May 22 2010 10:37 GMT
#33
Axing identifiers is stupid, I always felt that they were perfectly reasonable way to avoid harassment for more famous players, because they could keep it secret. I don't want random people to know my email, real name and other things when I add them to my friendlist, if I wanted them to know, I'd tell them. The divisions are exotic, but still somewhat decent solution, as long as ratings between leagues would be comparable, which they aren't.
I will never ever play Mech against Protoss. - MVP
Gretch
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia27 Posts
May 22 2010 10:39 GMT
#34
ok so im just looking at blizzards point of view

but when it comes to competive players like us you kind of know how you rank due to the tourneys i.e i don't mind not knowing how good i am compaired to the other <25 rank plat players
then i play in a aus/nz torney and i know where i stand


or would you like to see that the plat players are ranked in a "REAL" number but the rest be unchanged

but hay thats just me
DanceDance
Profile Joined November 2008
226 Posts
May 22 2010 10:42 GMT
#35
On May 22 2010 19:20 sidesprang wrote:
i dont mind the divisions as i actually find them to be kinda fun. But there should be someway of finding out if im better ranked than my friends. Mb just remove the bonus pool. then the score would be even for all the divisons.


I agree with this. The divisions are fun but please give us the option to see where we rank against everyone else outside of my division.

also, /sign to the original post.
LaLuSh
Profile Blog Joined April 2003
Sweden2358 Posts
May 22 2010 10:47 GMT
#36
Signed and signed.
Gibybo
Profile Joined May 2007
United States229 Posts
May 22 2010 10:47 GMT
#37
On May 22 2010 19:39 Gretch wrote:
ok so im just looking at blizzards point of view

but when it comes to competive players like us you kind of know how you rank due to the tourneys i.e i don't mind not knowing how good i am compaired to the other <25 rank plat players
then i play in a aus/nz torney and i know where i stand


or would you like to see that the plat players are ranked in a "REAL" number but the rest be unchanged

but hay thats just me


Yeah I think having the top league have only one division would be a fine solution, assuming they also fix the duplicate names problem so we can tell who is who. Tournaments are mathematically a much less accurate (fewer games to get data from) way of determining skill levels than a well designed ladder so I'm not satisfied with that.
NotSupporting
Profile Joined February 2008
Sweden1998 Posts
May 22 2010 10:49 GMT
#38
/Signed, I totally agree
Maggeus
Profile Joined April 2010
France277 Posts
May 22 2010 10:49 GMT
#39
I completely support you.
Ever and ever, this is SO DAMN TRUE.

/signed.
VereZ
Profile Joined April 2010
France34 Posts
May 22 2010 10:50 GMT
#40
I agree with you Gibybo. Personnally I really enjoyed the Warcraft3 Ladder that was even better than the previous SC2 ladder. Your website was like this and that's why enjoyed it. I hope you will be able to continue.
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