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Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2110 Posts
August 16 2025 19:38 GMT
#1521
I think some kind of European spot should still be the minimum target for a club with United's resources. Most of the big 6 are probably too far ahead and Newcastle is still strong if they can sort out/recover from the internal stuff with Isak and others. Landing somewhere around positions 6-8 seems where I'd put United in the league.

We'll see how Amorim has recovered during the summer. He understandably seemed mentally exhausted towards the end of the last season.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18749 Posts
August 17 2025 05:41 GMT
#1522
I don't think United will be go for European spots but Spurs will. Especially if they get Eze
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
August 17 2025 09:57 GMT
#1523
On August 17 2025 14:41 sharkie wrote:
I don't think United will be go for European spots but Spurs will. Especially if they get Eze

Spurs with Eze are actually a bit of a scary prospect.
RIP Meatloaf <3
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
August 17 2025 10:26 GMT
#1524
how tragic for united that people can have higher hopes for 17th placed spurs over united lol. weve fallen a long way...
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
August 17 2025 11:11 GMT
#1525
On August 17 2025 19:26 evilfatsh1t wrote:
how tragic for united that people can have higher hopes for 17th placed spurs over united lol. weve fallen a long way...

If I could pretend that the last 10 years didn't happen and was just looking at squads and coaches I would have Man United challenging for the top 2/3

Unfortunately I can't, and the curse of United doesn't feel like its going anywhere soon imo.
RIP Meatloaf <3
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
August 17 2025 11:40 GMT
#1526
On August 17 2025 20:11 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On August 17 2025 19:26 evilfatsh1t wrote:
how tragic for united that people can have higher hopes for 17th placed spurs over united lol. weve fallen a long way...

If I could pretend that the last 10 years didn't happen and was just looking at squads and coaches I would have Man United challenging for the top 2/3

Unfortunately I can't, and the curse of United doesn't feel like its going anywhere soon imo.

yeah thats kinda what i was getting at too.
i agree that uniteds expected placement is all due to perception based off their shit performances, but if you looked at that squad in a vacuum expecting a 6-8th placement is criminal.

i think if i was in uniteds board or i was amorim, i would 100% be telling that squad that the expectation would be to challenge for top 4. you can chalk last season up to a whole bunch of excuses but now that amorim has gotten a full pre season, the bad eggs have been removed from the squad and bought 2 of the best prem attackers last season, a failure to be competitive with the top 4 would be an utter disaster imo. narrowly missing out and placing 5-6 i could live with, but barely getting something like 7-8th by the scruff of our neck would justify amorim losing his job for me.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
August 17 2025 11:48 GMT
#1527
Each of Mbeumo, Cunha and Sesko are good individually but as a package don't make sense. I feel like they are going to get in each other's way. Plus where does Fernandes go if Cunha plays?

- Cunha very red card prone
- Goalkeeper situation is still a disaster
- Defence still poor
- Midfield still weak
- Toxic culture that snowballs quickly as soon as anything goes wrong

They'll be better than last year, but I reckon about 10th.
Sucker for nostalgia
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
Last Edited: 2025-08-17 12:04:14
August 17 2025 11:59 GMT
#1528
yeah even after seeing the pre season matches im not fully convinced about amorims tactics. i agree that the way the team sets up just doesnt seem optimal for the players at our disposal, including the new signings. that said, the sheer calibre of players we have means that barring any obvious lack of professionalism by the players in their application, poor results is going to be 100% on amorim.

like i said, he doesnt really have too many excuses to fall back on now. cunha and mbeumo are presumably "his" players, onana is still a tragedy but frankly onana isnt going to be the reason we end up wherever we do. honestly if we had ole managing this squad in typical united fashion 4231, united would be competing for top 4. predicting 10th place is absolutely wild, but if it looks like youre going to be right by christmas and were down in solid mid table by then, i think amorims going to be gone.

i will say i think if we bring in either a good dm or a gk i would be a lot more confident about our chances. seems like fernandes is going to be one of our centre mids and we need a partner for him who has legs.
DropBear
Profile Blog Joined January 2011
Australia4436 Posts
August 17 2025 12:24 GMT
#1529
A two man central midfield with Fernandes in it is going to get eaten alive. Neither Ugarte or Casemiro can carry the defensive burden on their own.

Antony, Sancho, Mount and Casemiro are still over a million pound wages a week between them. Gotta clear at least one of them before anyone else can come in.
Sucker for nostalgia
WombaT
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Northern Ireland27383 Posts
August 17 2025 12:50 GMT
#1530
I think it goes a bit under the radar, the league is pretty competitive these days most teams have some real quality players, and the standards of coaching are now pretty high.

Unless you’ve an absurd squad, gone are the days where the team doesn’t really click, or takes a while to, but a few individuals bail you out.

Most the league has a player or two like that now at least, and most of the league have good coaches.

United may have a decent season, but Amorim’s going to have to get them playing cohesively. If he doesn’t, there are too many good coaches who’ll exploit his system failing. And United’s front trio, or Bruno, sure excellent players. But not scarily so.

The crux of my point is you can get away with being a bit dysfunctional, from sheer individual quality. But United’s competition for upper table generally aren’t dysfunctional, and lots of other teams have equivalent, or better individual quality.

I hope it starts to bear fruit, I quite like Amorim and memes aside I think a strong United only benefits the English game for me as a neutral.

I just don’t think there’s a middle ground. If his system works and starts to bear fruit, they’ll do well. If it doesn’t, they won’t. They’ve got some good players, but not good enough to carry a dysfunctional team versus competition that’ll be very cohesive and settled in many instances.

'You'll always be the cuddly marsupial of my heart, despite the inherent flaws of your ancestry' - Squat
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gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2666 Posts
August 17 2025 15:47 GMT
#1531
I think Van der Sar was the last good United goalkeeper....
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
August 17 2025 16:22 GMT
#1532
nah de gea is still a legend. id have him back in a heartbeat over this mess. heaton should play ahead of both bayindir and onana at this point
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18749 Posts
August 17 2025 17:15 GMT
#1533
De gea was a world class shot stopper but he also had quite some errors in him didn't he?
gTank
Profile Joined January 2011
Austria2666 Posts
August 17 2025 17:25 GMT
#1534
Yeah he had mistakes but you are right, I want de Gea back if possible ^^ and a good striker too...
One crossed wire, one wayward pinch of potassium chlorate, one errant twitch...and kablooie!
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
August 17 2025 17:29 GMT
#1535
On August 18 2025 02:15 sharkie wrote:
De gea was a world class shot stopper but he also had quite some errors in him didn't he?

pretty much all his errors came from his last 2 seasons. the thing is all his errors combined in 12 years was less than onanas in 2 years so...absolutely no contest.

anyway this game pretty much confirms that we need a gk and a mid. ugarte is awful, casemiro is class in possession but doesnt have the legs and fernandes is too afraid to get involved more as a cm because wed be too exposed in counters. the positives were we were the better team for sure and the performance was better than last season, although even last season we generally showed some competitiveness against bigger sides.
MJG
Profile Joined May 2018
United Kingdom1451 Posts
August 17 2025 19:03 GMT
#1536
We would've drawn if we played Heaton.

Much better performance than I was expecting. Play like that all season and we will definitely place better than last year.

But playing well consistently has been the problem for a while.
puking up frothing vitriolic sarcastic spittle
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9999 Posts
August 17 2025 19:37 GMT
#1537
One day Chris Wood is going to get the respect he deserves from the football world.

His record is only just behind Salah, Isak and Haaland over the last couple of years.

And still there's always a level of "aww didn't he do well" about how people talk about it.

The guy is an absolute beast. 34 years old and only getting better and better.
RIP Meatloaf <3
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2110 Posts
August 18 2025 05:39 GMT
#1538
Any thoughts on Patrick Dorgu? He looked pretty damn good on that one shot that bounced off the outside of the post vs Arsenal. Really decisive looking stuff.
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8925 Posts
August 18 2025 06:05 GMT
#1539
i think hes developed well over just the last 6 months even. maybe it was just him getting adjusted to the pl but i think hes very solid. has good energy, good feet and goes into the right positions.
other than cunha though i think yesterdays stand out performer was yoro. hes only 19 but he seems to be insanely good
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51693 Posts
August 18 2025 06:09 GMT
#1540
de ligt is a solid 7/10 most game days but i feel he gets absolutely zero respect or praise
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