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Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
May 13 2019 15:59 GMT
#4601
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself


What stakes?
I would bet that City get >95 points and Liverpool get <95

RIP Meatloaf <3
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2072 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-13 16:26:53
May 13 2019 16:26 GMT
#4602
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-13 16:59:06
May 13 2019 16:58 GMT
#4603
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28866 Posts
May 13 2019 17:03 GMT
#4604
Dunno how reliable of a source it is but that seems like a overwhelmingly likely to be true rumor anyway.
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zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
May 13 2019 17:04 GMT
#4605
On May 14 2019 01:58 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about


thats the normal price nowadays, hazard is half a neymar, seems about right
sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
May 13 2019 17:09 GMT
#4606
On May 14 2019 02:04 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 01:58 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about


thats the normal price nowadays, hazard is half a neymar, seems about right

Except neymar was 24 not 30 and had 4 years on his contract not 1, and it was of course a release clause.
I'm not denying the market is nuts and I would call 100m low for Hazard if there was more than one year left in his contract.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
zev318
Profile Joined October 2010
Canada4306 Posts
May 13 2019 17:13 GMT
#4607
On May 14 2019 02:09 sneirac wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 02:04 zev318 wrote:
On May 14 2019 01:58 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about


thats the normal price nowadays, hazard is half a neymar, seems about right

Except neymar was 24 not 30 and had 4 years on his contract not 1, and it was of course a release clause.
I'm not denying the market is nuts and I would call 100m low for Hazard if there was more than one year left in his contract.


well that's why he's half a neymar, he's older and contract remaining was not as long.
Acrofales
Profile Joined August 2010
Spain18372 Posts
May 13 2019 17:23 GMT
#4608
On May 14 2019 02:13 zev318 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 02:09 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 02:04 zev318 wrote:
On May 14 2019 01:58 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about


thats the normal price nowadays, hazard is half a neymar, seems about right

Except neymar was 24 not 30 and had 4 years on his contract not 1, and it was of course a release clause.
I'm not denying the market is nuts and I would call 100m low for Hazard if there was more than one year left in his contract.


well that's why he's half a neymar, he's older and contract remaining was not as long.

Seems about right:

Neymar: 200m for a 4 year contract buyout.
Hazard: have to buy off a quarter of that contract, so 50m. However, he's also only half the drama queen that Neymar is, so double the price. 100m. Seems fair.
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28866 Posts
May 13 2019 18:10 GMT
#4609
He's also only 28 (turned 28 in january)
that actually is quite a bit different from 30 when it comes to pricing him.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 13 2019 19:04 GMT
#4610
L'Equipe is way off the mark, fee not even close to being agreed, L'Equipe is only reliable for stuff involving France.

This guy is Tier 1 for all things Belgium and has been way ahead of most on this saga. The Perez mouthpiece last week stated €130 million but he says his source says no fee has been agreed yet. All we know is Hazard wants to go there if the club let him and Real seemingly want him.


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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
May 13 2019 22:18 GMT
#4611
Even 100 million is being generous.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Grettin
Profile Joined April 2010
42411 Posts
May 13 2019 22:27 GMT
#4612
An investigation into accusations that Premier League champion Manchester City misled European soccer’s financial regulators in pursuit of its success on the field is expected to recommend that the team be barred from the Champions League, European soccer’s richest competition and the trophy the club covets most.

English soccer authorities and officials at UEFA, European soccer’s governing body and the organizer of the Champions League, have for months been investigating Manchester City amid allegations of rule-breaking revealed in damaging leaks over much of the past year. Members of the investigatory chamber of UEFA’s financial control board, a group set up to analyze the accounts of clubs suspected of breaking strict cost-control regulations, met two weeks ago in Nyon, Switzerland, to finalize their conclusions.


https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/13/sports/manchester-city-champions-league-uefa.html?smtyp=cur&smid=tw-nytimes

Shocker.
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DucK-
Profile Blog Joined January 2009
Singapore11447 Posts
May 14 2019 00:43 GMT
#4613
On May 14 2019 02:23 Acrofales wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 02:13 zev318 wrote:
On May 14 2019 02:09 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 02:04 zev318 wrote:
On May 14 2019 01:58 sneirac wrote:
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself

No idea what we could bet but I'll predict City finishing ahead Liverpool sure
On May 14 2019 01:26 Bacillus wrote:
L’Equipe thinks Hazard is going to Real Madrid for 100 million euros. I've got no idea how reliable source that is.

Still to high for only 1 year on a 30 year old, but at least its not the 130m Chelsea fans were babbling about


thats the normal price nowadays, hazard is half a neymar, seems about right

Except neymar was 24 not 30 and had 4 years on his contract not 1, and it was of course a release clause.
I'm not denying the market is nuts and I would call 100m low for Hazard if there was more than one year left in his contract.


well that's why he's half a neymar, he's older and contract remaining was not as long.

Seems about right:

Neymar: 200m for a 4 year contract buyout.
Hazard: have to buy off a quarter of that contract, so 50m. However, he's also only half the drama queen that Neymar is, so double the price. 100m. Seems fair.


Well to be more accurate we have to factor in time decay as well, so it's probably less than a quarter. Agree on the math for drama queen. But you should also count that hazard is a better player than neymar works out 100m seem fair to me
Rebs
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
Pakistan10726 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-14 02:12:48
May 14 2019 02:07 GMT
#4614
On May 14 2019 04:04 Pandemona wrote:
L'Equipe is way off the mark, fee not even close to being agreed, L'Equipe is only reliable for stuff involving France.

This guy is Tier 1 for all things Belgium and has been way ahead of most on this saga. The Perez mouthpiece last week stated €130 million but he says his source says no fee has been agreed yet. All we know is Hazard wants to go there if the club let him and Real seemingly want him.

https://twitter.com/HLNinEngeland/status/1127950152155705344


I dont need L'Equipe to know Hazard is as good as gone this summer. And frankly I dont care how much and I dont think Real will either. They want him, they will get him.

On May 14 2019 00:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself


What stakes?
I would bet that City get >95 points and Liverpool get <95



i think he wouldve just taken you on title bets. Getting 95+ points season in season out isnt normal. Both teams will regress a bit. I reckon low 90s for City at nest and mid to high 80 for Liverpool would be a more realistic estimate. Thats a bit on the conservative side but I think thats fairer.

You can never really tell at this stage though, after the first league month of the summer ending you tend to get an idea of how play styles and teams have evolved or devolved. And then around Jan is when it goes back to being the usual 2 hours race that the Pl nearly always is but everyone seems to insist on convincing themselves otherwise for the better part of 6 months.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
May 14 2019 05:30 GMT
#4615
On May 14 2019 00:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself


What stakes?
I would bet that City get >95 points and Liverpool get <95



signature bet?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-14 07:12:29
May 14 2019 07:08 GMT
#4616
On May 14 2019 14:30 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2019 00:59 Jockmcplop wrote:
On May 14 2019 00:21 sharkie wrote:
well then take a bet if you are so sure of yourself


What stakes?
I would bet that City get >95 points and Liverpool get <95



signature bet?


Yes you're on! Just name the sig

On May 14 2019 11:07 Rebs wrote:
i think he wouldve just taken you on title bets. Getting 95+ points season in season out isnt normal. Both teams will regress a bit. I reckon low 90s for City at nest and mid to high 80 for Liverpool would be a more realistic estimate. Thats a bit on the conservative side but I think thats fairer.


I'm not trying to bet that City will win the league again though, I'm betting that they maintain the same level and Liverpool's level drops.

95+ points is abnormal, but City have done it 2 years in a row and although some players in their squad are aging a bit and need to be phased out, they are so strong in depth that I honestly don't think they'll lose more games next year.

RIP Meatloaf <3
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-14 08:28:07
May 14 2019 08:27 GMT
#4617
"It's official - [winner] knows definitely more about football than [loser]. Go Guardiola/Klopp!"

:D For a year?
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9950 Posts
May 14 2019 08:31 GMT
#4618
On May 14 2019 17:27 sharkie wrote:
"It's official - [winner] knows definitely more about football than [loser]. Go Guardiola/Klopp!"

:D For a year?


You're on, sharkie!
RIP Meatloaf <3
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
May 14 2019 08:41 GMT
#4619
I just saw a stat of the Premier League:

The three relegated teams (Fulham, Huddersfield, Cardiff) had a 0-0-34 record against the top6 teams.
Then Manchester United came and the record changed to 1-1-34. This is such a damning stat. ManUtd should be ashamed of themselves
evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8912 Posts
May 14 2019 08:59 GMT
#4620
On May 14 2019 17:41 sharkie wrote:
I just saw a stat of the Premier League:

The three relegated teams (Fulham, Huddersfield, Cardiff) had a 0-0-34 record against the top6 teams.
Then Manchester United came and the record changed to 1-1-34. This is such a damning stat. ManUtd should be ashamed of themselves

even if the 0-0-34 record was preserved man utd should still be ashamed of themselves. i shit you not i could sub in as one of the 11 and the team would not have been much worse.
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