EPTOn May 11 2019 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
You say that like Liverpool didn't go to Barcelona, have more shots, more possession and somehow lose 3-0. Arsenal and Chelsea breezed through the Europa league easily, Chelsea have the record in that compeition now. We have played in it now twice, won the competition first time and in the final second time and yet to taste defeat, drawing two times (both to Frankfurt). If you call it "luck" then were Barca lucky when they overturned that 3-0 deficit to PSG the season before? Were Real Madrid lucky to avoid most competitive teams until the semi final and then get Ronaldo involved etc. Europe always seems to be deflected as "lucky" for certain teams or whatever but that isn't true. Liverpool had an easy route to the semi final, but they also are the best team in the competition making it now back-to-back finals and they did it without their best player in Salah this time around.
David Luiz even said after thursday game that England is back to being the best in Europe and next season we shall go again and prove it some more. Real after they buy 10 new players will struggle to compete just like every season they tried that, takes time for those sides to settle. Barcelona need more than what they can afford to get as well, so they will be in the same boat and Messi is a year older. Juventus might be able to do something if they buy good though thats for sure and PSG is a mystery.
You say that like Liverpool didn't go to Barcelona, have more shots, more possession and somehow lose 3-0. Arsenal and Chelsea breezed through the Europa league easily, Chelsea have the record in that compeition now. We have played in it now twice, won the competition first time and in the final second time and yet to taste defeat, drawing two times (both to Frankfurt). If you call it "luck" then were Barca lucky when they overturned that 3-0 deficit to PSG the season before? Were Real Madrid lucky to avoid most competitive teams until the semi final and then get Ronaldo involved etc. Europe always seems to be deflected as "lucky" for certain teams or whatever but that isn't true. Liverpool had an easy route to the semi final, but they also are the best team in the competition making it now back-to-back finals and they did it without their best player in Salah this time around.
David Luiz even said after thursday game that England is back to being the best in Europe and next season we shall go again and prove it some more. Real after they buy 10 new players will struggle to compete just like every season they tried that, takes time for those sides to settle. Barcelona need more than what they can afford to get as well, so they will be in the same boat and Messi is a year older. Juventus might be able to do something if they buy good though thats for sure and PSG is a mystery.
Outside of Liverpool and City none of the English teams have any element of dominance to them. Spurs have done well but dont really have any consistency to them so you can expect this to not happen for them for a long time.
I agree that none of the teams that are where they are have been lucky. Luck is a part of the game so you have to be consistent with it. Although in the case for Real that was somewhat on the absurd end with some of the things that went there way a couple of those years.
That having been said Arsenal and Chelsea are still pretty shit and Chelsea arent going get to better and Arsenal is ... well Arsenal.
If you want to count being the best of the rest as a part of your "dominance claim" thats fine but the teams you are playing in the Europe league have a quarter of the budgets your Arsenals and Chelseas do and this year should be the rule not the exception. And yet it hasnt been.
As a side note, I dont understand why you make these comments and appeal to what Gary Neville said, or David Luiz said or whatever other shit BT or Sky interview analysis segments serve as opinion, like anyone of us should give a shit and take that as overwhelming evidence to support an argument. Its a very childish argument and makes you sound like you dont really have an opinion of your own and just regurgitate whatever opinion confirms your bias. \
Everyones been around long enough to see several cycles of different countries having stronger periods. Its yet to be proven for the English this time around.
You have several years of garbage to cover up for before you can start making such claims. But I would be remiss to not acknowledge that England is currently very well placed to be quite strong in Europe the next few years.
