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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 00:21:43
May 10 2019 00:21 GMT
#4541
Dam it we have to live with Pande going on about English football supremacy till August at least.
zeo
Profile Joined October 2009
Serbia6343 Posts
May 10 2019 05:11 GMT
#4542
On May 10 2019 09:21 Dante08 wrote:
Dam it we have to live with Pande going on about English football supremacy till August at least.

Best League in the World! English teams finaly turning their eyes more to Europe than the domestic league.
Pre-emptive retaliatory de-escalation action
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28866 Posts
May 10 2019 05:32 GMT
#4543
I mean it's pretty clear that the EPL has become the best league again now, or at the very least that they have the best top 6 of any league. 2013/2014 - 2016/2017 had spain dominate the country coefficiency table pretty hard, last season EPL barely took #1, and this season they're gonna be #1 by a significant margin. Spanish dominance was real, but the same statistics showcasing the spanish dominance now indicate an english one. (I do expect Barcelona and Real Madrid to be more competitive the next years than the top EPL teams were during the period of spanish dominance, though. )

(https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/ccoef2019.html / https://kassiesa.home.xs4all.nl/bert/uefa/data/method5/crank2019.html )
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Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
May 10 2019 07:05 GMT
#4544
Yeah this season has been an anomaly I feel, I don't think there will be 2 teams in the PL passing 90 points next season. RM and Barca will reinforce heavily and should perform alot better in La Liga next season. Barca were pretty good this season but they scrapped through quite a few results.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
May 10 2019 07:13 GMT
#4545
Actually I can still see Liverpool and/or City (depending on their motivation) reach 90+ again next season.
This year also has no big tournaments so longer summer break = big teams performing better
Bacillus
Profile Joined August 2010
Finland2072 Posts
May 10 2019 07:23 GMT
#4546
On May 10 2019 16:13 sharkie wrote:
Actually I can still see Liverpool and/or City (depending on their motivation) reach 90+ again next season.
This year also has no big tournaments so longer summer break = big teams performing better

Part of the 90 points has been that the rest of the big 6 have been really underwhelming though. I could easily see both Pool and City dropping plenty of points on those matches if Chelsea, Arsenal, ManU and Spurs put up a better fight. At this point I'm not sure if United and Chelsea can really pull themselves together in one window though, both have a lot of puzzles to solve.
KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4359 Posts
May 10 2019 09:19 GMT
#4547
Yeah and lets not forget the stars aligned in 3 of the 4 teams reaching the finals.

Both liverpool and tottenham were last minute deals and chelsea...i dont think anyone watching that game thought they were the better team against EF.

The difference between 1 or 4 teams in the finals was actually quite small this time around and leaves the idea of a domination that was not there (although there is obviously merit and effort and all that, lets not go overboard)
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
May 10 2019 09:46 GMT
#4548
On May 10 2019 18:19 KobraKay wrote:
Yeah and lets not forget the stars aligned in 3 of the 4 teams reaching the finals.

Both liverpool and tottenham were last minute deals and chelsea...i dont think anyone watching that game thought they were the better team against EF.

The difference between 1 or 4 teams in the finals was actually quite small this time around and leaves the idea of a domination that was not there (although there is obviously merit and effort and all that, lets not go overboard)


stars aligned first for barca and then for liverpool please.
Liverpool has been the best team over both legs and in each leg so dont call it lucky please. If you call their 2nd leg lucky then you must also call their first leg very unlucky
haitike
Profile Joined June 2009
Spain2737 Posts
May 10 2019 10:26 GMT
#4549
On May 10 2019 06:31 gTank wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 06:30 Stratos_speAr wrote:
These British commentators I have are obnoxiously biased for Chelsea.


well they are british, I totally understand this ^^


Yes. It is normal for commentators to be biased for their country clubs.
Jockmcplop
Profile Blog Joined February 2012
United Kingdom9948 Posts
May 10 2019 10:33 GMT
#4550
Arsenal and Chelsea only get 6000 tickets each for a 68,000 seater stadium???
wtf is that about?
RIP Meatloaf <3
Twisted
Profile Blog Joined September 2002
Netherlands13554 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 10:45:00
May 10 2019 10:44 GMT
#4551
On May 10 2019 19:33 Jockmcplop wrote:
Arsenal and Chelsea only get 6000 tickets each for a 68,000 seater stadium???
wtf is that about?


UEFA is greedy. This has been greatly positive for the big leagues (4 CL spots for the top 4 leagues is still ridiculous) but for once their greed is a negative for the Premier League.

Apart from that, of course it's ridiculous that they only get 6.000 a piece. 12.000 fans for the clubs in the final in a stadium with 70.000 capacity. Football should be about the fans, not about generating money.
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sneirac
Profile Joined July 2012
Germany3464 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 10:58:32
May 10 2019 10:58 GMT
#4552
But why less for the Europa League, Champions league has allocated 16k tickets per team, surely it would be more lucrative to sell more neutral tickets for the CL final in Madrid than the EL final in Baku.
possession wins games, kante is washed up and shit - pande
Harris1st
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
Germany7320 Posts
May 10 2019 11:45 GMT
#4553
After yesterday evening I think have to avoid this thread until England loses 6:0 to Netherlands in Nations League
Go Serral! GG EZ for Ence. Flashbang dance FTW
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-10 15:26:37
May 10 2019 15:12 GMT
#4554
On May 10 2019 06:38 sharkie wrote:
And pande called frankfurt an easy opponent. That guy has no clue about football

Bit harsh, i called both champs league semi finals quite clearly and it wasn't even that Frankfurt were good it was Chelsea went from being wasteful in the first leg to utter trash performance which we have every few games under Sarri. When it looks like we are about to win a few games we have an absolute shite game. We played the whole 120 minutes of semi final football last night without a striker and still managed to scramble ourselves through. We have Pedro who just runs around and that is it, guy has lost it and i have been saying for ages but Sarri likes the runs he does for David Luiz's long balls he can ping out of nowhere. We also missed our two best defensive players in Rudiger and Kante which might not mean much to some due to Frankfurt vs Chelsea wealth blahblah, but in terms of what they offer us they sure us up tenfold and we missed them badly. We also then lost another CB half way through the game and had to play Dave as a CB in a back 4 which he has never done before, he has only played RCB in a back 3 which is tactically totally different, plus he has Luiz next to him lol.

So Chelsea played an awful game, went from 8/10 to 3/10 and Frankfurt were at like 6/10 who in reality are deservedly being carried by Jovic who as seen yesterday, scores whenever he gets a sniff. Did nothing all game minus that one chance he got he took. The Frankfurt player had his hands up celebrating the goal before he even controlled it when he was 1 on 1 that is how much they know he is going to score, celebrating before he even scores!



Oh in other news, did you guys know that this is the first time ever all European final teams are from the same country, and that country happens to be ENGLAND
Did you know England could win the biggest competition in Nations League in the summer and truly dominate :3
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Greg_J
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
China4409 Posts
May 11 2019 03:24 GMT
#4555
I don't think anyone can talk about Premier League dominance when it took 2 miracle come backs to get the English clubs through and Spurs have had a miracle at almost every single stage of the tournment, they have been 'out' like 3 times. Chelsea where taken to penalties by Frankfurt too. So it's not like that was dominating perfomance either. There is a bit of a power vacum from the tradional teams that dominate with Munchen aging, Real collapsing and Barca were just a bit naive and unlucky really. Barcelona are still one of the best teams around even if they did lose one game to Liverpool.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
May 11 2019 10:48 GMT
#4556
You say that like Liverpool didn't go to Barcelona, have more shots, more possession and somehow lose 3-0. Arsenal and Chelsea breezed through the Europa league easily, Chelsea have the record in that compeition now. We have played in it now twice, won the competition first time and in the final second time and yet to taste defeat, drawing two times (both to Frankfurt). If you call it "luck" then were Barca lucky when they overturned that 3-0 deficit to PSG the season before? Were Real Madrid lucky to avoid most competitive teams until the semi final and then get Ronaldo involved etc. Europe always seems to be deflected as "lucky" for certain teams or whatever but that isn't true. Liverpool had an easy route to the semi final, but they also are the best team in the competition making it now back-to-back finals and they did it without their best player in Salah this time around.

David Luiz even said after thursday game that England is back to being the best in Europe and next season we shall go again and prove it some more. Real after they buy 10 new players will struggle to compete just like every season they tried that, takes time for those sides to settle. Barcelona need more than what they can afford to get as well, so they will be in the same boat and Messi is a year older. Juventus might be able to do something if they buy good though thats for sure and PSG is a mystery.
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KobraKay
Profile Joined March 2010
Portugal4359 Posts
May 11 2019 13:01 GMT
#4557
On May 10 2019 18:46 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 10 2019 18:19 KobraKay wrote:
Yeah and lets not forget the stars aligned in 3 of the 4 teams reaching the finals.

Both liverpool and tottenham were last minute deals and chelsea...i dont think anyone watching that game thought they were the better team against EF.

The difference between 1 or 4 teams in the finals was actually quite small this time around and leaves the idea of a domination that was not there (although there is obviously merit and effort and all that, lets not go overboard)


stars aligned first for barca and then for liverpool please.
Liverpool has been the best team over both legs and in each leg so dont call it lucky please. If you call their 2nd leg lucky then you must also call their first leg very unlucky


My comment was meant for people not to go overboard with dominance comments. Regardless of what you think of how Liverpool performed, they were still through on a last minute goal like I said. It doesnt take much to understand that Barça-Ajax; Arsenal-EF was very close to happening and then it would only be one english team in the finals. It is not like the english teams went around europe cruising and beating everyone up as they pleased.

There is a long way between saying its not the dominance claimed in this thread and saying it was down only to luck. Those are, I reckon, the polar opposites. Things are not binary.
CJ Fighting! (--.--)
whistleboss
Profile Joined March 2019
151 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-11 17:27:19
May 11 2019 17:26 GMT
#4558
On May 11 2019 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Arsenal and Chelsea breezed through the Europa league easily, Chelsea have the record in that compeition now.
Did you watch the last game? lol.

If you call it "luck" then were Barca lucky when they overturned that 3-0 deficit to PSG the season before?
4-0*

Were Real Madrid lucky to avoid most competitive teams until the semi final and then get Ronaldo involved etc.
etc = aka offside goals, many penaltys etc.

Liverpool had an easy route to the semi final, but they also are the best team in the competition making it now back-to-back finals and they did it without their best player in Salah this time around.
They had the hardest group, then played the german and portuguese champions. Very easy indeed. This time around they had Salah in 1st leg, who was unlucky not to score and also had Liverpool play an entire 1-0 down game without a striker. Then Messi punches Fabinho's head, wins a free-kick way over 4 yards of where it should have (not) been... they were without Firmino in 2nd leg I think, I wonder what that means?

David Luiz even said after thursday game that England is back to being the best in Europe and next season we shall go again and prove it some more.
You mean the worst Brazil captain ever, and 2nd worst player to wear the Brazil shirt ever after Fernandinho? lol

On May 11 2019 22:01 KobraKay wrote:
Regardless of what you think of how Liverpool performed, they were still through on a last minute goal like I said.
Da fuck?

Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
Origi 7', 79'
Wijnaldum 54', 56'
739
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Bearded Elder29905 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-11 17:40:05
May 11 2019 17:32 GMT
#4559
So, City loses / ties tommorow, Liverpool wins both UCL and EPL, ez scenario.

Also Bayern / Borussia fighting for Bundesliga title in last match as well.
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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
Last Edited: 2019-05-11 18:54:43
May 11 2019 18:54 GMT
#4560
On May 12 2019 02:26 whistleboss wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 11 2019 19:48 Pandemona wrote:
Arsenal and Chelsea breezed through the Europa league easily, Chelsea have the record in that compeition now.
Did you watch the last game? lol.

Show nested quote +
If you call it "luck" then were Barca lucky when they overturned that 3-0 deficit to PSG the season before?
4-0*

Show nested quote +
Were Real Madrid lucky to avoid most competitive teams until the semi final and then get Ronaldo involved etc.
etc = aka offside goals, many penaltys etc.

Show nested quote +
Liverpool had an easy route to the semi final, but they also are the best team in the competition making it now back-to-back finals and they did it without their best player in Salah this time around.
They had the hardest group, then played the german and portuguese champions. Very easy indeed. This time around they had Salah in 1st leg, who was unlucky not to score and also had Liverpool play an entire 1-0 down game without a striker. Then Messi punches Fabinho's head, wins a free-kick way over 4 yards of where it should have (not) been... they were without Firmino in 2nd leg I think, I wonder what that means?

Show nested quote +
David Luiz even said after thursday game that England is back to being the best in Europe and next season we shall go again and prove it some more.
You mean the worst Brazil captain ever, and 2nd worst player to wear the Brazil shirt ever after Fernandinho? lol

Show nested quote +
On May 11 2019 22:01 KobraKay wrote:
Regardless of what you think of how Liverpool performed, they were still through on a last minute goal like I said.
Da fuck?
Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona
Origi 7', 79'
Wijnaldum 54', 56'


Yes i was at the Chelsea game, Chelsea were shit and still went through and in the first leg should have wrapped the game up, people seem to always forget first legs when deciding games...
Real Madrid can only have so much luck in winning 3 champions league in a row...so yeah lets not got into that.
What does irrelevant Brazil have to do with anything? We are not on about choking or anything else we are discussing European football.
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