• Log InLog In
  • Register
Liquid`
Team Liquid Liquipedia
EST 05:45
CET 11:45
KST 19:45
  • Home
  • Forum
  • Calendar
  • Streams
  • Liquipedia
  • Features
  • Store
  • EPT
  • TL+
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Smash
  • Heroes
  • Counter-Strike
  • Overwatch
  • Liquibet
  • Fantasy StarCraft
  • TLPD
  • StarCraft 2
  • Brood War
  • Blogs
Forum Sidebar
Events/Features
News
Featured News
RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview0RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups A & B Preview2TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners12Intel X Team Liquid Seoul event: Showmatches and Meet the Pros10[ASL20] Finals Preview: Arrival13
Community News
[TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation12Weekly Cups (Nov 3-9): Clem Conquers in Canada4SC: Evo Complete - Ranked Ladder OPEN ALPHA8StarCraft, SC2, HotS, WC3, Returning to Blizzcon!45$5,000+ WardiTV 2025 Championship7
StarCraft 2
General
Mech is the composition that needs teleportation t RotterdaM "Serral is the GOAT, and it's not close" RSL Season 3 - RO16 Groups C & D Preview [TLMC] Fall/Winter 2025 Ladder Map Rotation TL.net Map Contest #21: Winners
Tourneys
RSL Revival: Season 3 Sparkling Tuna Cup - Weekly Open Tournament Constellation Cup - Main Event - Stellar Fest Tenacious Turtle Tussle Master Swan Open (Global Bronze-Master 2)
Strategy
Custom Maps
Map Editor closed ?
External Content
Mutation # 499 Chilling Adaptation Mutation # 498 Wheel of Misfortune|Cradle of Death Mutation # 497 Battle Haredened Mutation # 496 Endless Infection
Brood War
General
FlaSh on: Biggest Problem With SnOw's Playstyle BW General Discussion What happened to TvZ on Retro? Brood War web app to calculate unit interactions [ASL20] Ask the mapmakers — Drop your questions
Tourneys
[Megathread] Daily Proleagues Small VOD Thread 2.0 [BSL21] RO32 Group D - Sunday 21:00 CET [BSL21] RO32 Group C - Saturday 21:00 CET
Strategy
PvZ map balance Current Meta Simple Questions, Simple Answers How to stay on top of macro?
Other Games
General Games
Path of Exile Stormgate/Frost Giant Megathread Nintendo Switch Thread Clair Obscur - Expedition 33 Beyond All Reason
Dota 2
Official 'what is Dota anymore' discussion
League of Legends
Heroes of the Storm
Simple Questions, Simple Answers Heroes of the Storm 2.0
Hearthstone
Deck construction bug Heroes of StarCraft mini-set
TL Mafia
TL Mafia Community Thread SPIRED by.ASL Mafia {211640}
Community
General
Things Aren’t Peaceful in Palestine US Politics Mega-thread Russo-Ukrainian War Thread Artificial Intelligence Thread Canadian Politics Mega-thread
Fan Clubs
White-Ra Fan Club The herO Fan Club!
Media & Entertainment
[Manga] One Piece Anime Discussion Thread Movie Discussion! Korean Music Discussion Series you have seen recently...
Sports
2024 - 2026 Football Thread Formula 1 Discussion NBA General Discussion MLB/Baseball 2023 TeamLiquid Health and Fitness Initiative For 2023
World Cup 2022
Tech Support
SC2 Client Relocalization [Change SC2 Language] Linksys AE2500 USB WIFI keeps disconnecting Computer Build, Upgrade & Buying Resource Thread
TL Community
The Automated Ban List
Blogs
Dyadica Gospel – a Pulp No…
Hildegard
Coffee x Performance in Espo…
TrAiDoS
Saturation point
Uldridge
DnB/metal remix FFO Mick Go…
ImbaTosS
Reality "theory" prov…
perfectspheres
Customize Sidebar...

Website Feedback

Closed Threads



Active: 2380 users

NBA Playoffs + Finals 2018 - Page 50

Forum Index > Sports
Post a Reply
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 62 Next
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
May 31 2018 23:08 GMT
#981
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 00:01 GMT
#982
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:32 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 01:21 Elroi wrote:
When you hook the defenders arm to go up into a jump shot, that should be an offensive foul 100% of the times.


On June 01 2018 01:25 andrewlt wrote:
The Harden rule was a point of emphasis in the offseason. The refs should have called it correctly in the regular season instead of waiting for the playoffs.

Too much of Houston's offense is based on baiting bogus calls from the officials. One of their pet plays is when somebody pretends to screen then pushes Harden's defender into him while he starts shooting a 3. Harden got more foul calls on 3-pt attempts than most teams in the NBA.

The thing with Harden is that he has this move where he initiates the shooting motion as soon as the defender puts an arm to his chest (usually as a result of forcing through screens) or in front of him. This is different from the egregious drive-hook-and-shoot which is an obvious offensive foul. This is the one causing problems with the refs, and Nunn is right that IFyou call this as a foul, it should be a non-shooting foul. Or maybe not call it at all. But I can see the reason why it is a foul since it is an obvious intrusion into the offensive player's space. The defense has to adjust and get better, I guess, which, if anything, what we can appreciate from this whole thing - Harden's "creativity" puts a new flavor into the game.


Except it isn't. All space that isn't currently occupied by the offensive player, or will naturally be occupied as a result of momentum is not his space. Technically ripthroughs and stuff like that are charges/pushes on the offensive player.

See 03:39. Not a ripthrough or hooking, safely a foul, or a no-call. But clearly not an offensive foul.


Yes, its clearly unsportsmanlike conduct by Harden, and no illegal contact was made by either player (its hard to even say contact was made).
Freeeeeeedom
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 01 2018 00:25 GMT
#983
--- Nuked ---
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 01:23 GMT
#984
On June 01 2018 09:01 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:32 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 01:21 Elroi wrote:
When you hook the defenders arm to go up into a jump shot, that should be an offensive foul 100% of the times.


On June 01 2018 01:25 andrewlt wrote:
The Harden rule was a point of emphasis in the offseason. The refs should have called it correctly in the regular season instead of waiting for the playoffs.

Too much of Houston's offense is based on baiting bogus calls from the officials. One of their pet plays is when somebody pretends to screen then pushes Harden's defender into him while he starts shooting a 3. Harden got more foul calls on 3-pt attempts than most teams in the NBA.

The thing with Harden is that he has this move where he initiates the shooting motion as soon as the defender puts an arm to his chest (usually as a result of forcing through screens) or in front of him. This is different from the egregious drive-hook-and-shoot which is an obvious offensive foul. This is the one causing problems with the refs, and Nunn is right that IFyou call this as a foul, it should be a non-shooting foul. Or maybe not call it at all. But I can see the reason why it is a foul since it is an obvious intrusion into the offensive player's space. The defense has to adjust and get better, I guess, which, if anything, what we can appreciate from this whole thing - Harden's "creativity" puts a new flavor into the game.


Except it isn't. All space that isn't currently occupied by the offensive player, or will naturally be occupied as a result of momentum is not his space. Technically ripthroughs and stuff like that are charges/pushes on the offensive player.

See 03:39. Not a ripthrough or hooking, safely a foul, or a no-call. But clearly not an offensive foul.


Yes, its clearly unsportsmanlike conduct by Harden, and no illegal contact was made by either player (its hard to even say contact was made).

I agree with the underlying sentiment, but if you consider this unsportsmanlike, then so are pump fakes and shoulder bumps in post up plays. Except for the blatant hooks Harden does, I think plays like this are good because they push the "meta" of the game. It's now up to the defense to improve.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2018 02:09 GMT
#985
I’m not sure how the Cavs can play much better than they did that half, and the score is tied.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 01 2018 02:47 GMT
#986
--- Nuked ---
BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 01 2018 02:55 GMT
#987
Finals MVP race could be very interesting between Curry ams Durant
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2018 03:06 GMT
#988
It's such a shame that Draymond has turned into a travesty on offense. That's really the biggest difference between this year's Warriors and last year's team.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:21 GMT
#989
Its amazing how Van Gundy and Jackson have such eagle eyes for "fouls", yet literally miss every single push off by an offensive player, no matter how egregious.
Freeeeeeedom
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14047 Posts
June 01 2018 03:25 GMT
#990
Here's a hot take for you. If the cavs win this year lebron is.better then jordan.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9172 Posts
June 01 2018 03:26 GMT
#991
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs
Yhamm is the god of predictions
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 01 2018 03:29 GMT
#992
JR SMITH WTF ARE YOU SMOKING HOLY SHIT
Forever Young
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:31 GMT
#993
On June 01 2018 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs

I mean, its obvious what happened. They did the review and KD was fouled by Green like a half step before and also the charge was a 50/50 so they just did the best thing possible.
Freeeeeeedom
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1711 Posts
June 01 2018 03:31 GMT
#994
JR Smith facepalm moment
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:40 GMT
#995
People can say what they want about the refs, but LeBron has committed uncalled offensive fouls on 4 straight possessions in OT, while getting 2 cheap calls. It's either Shaq rules or not, get it straight.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17002 Posts
June 01 2018 03:41 GMT
#996
hey its steve nash!
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 01 2018 03:59 GMT
#997
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRbwaENao0


So can you say JR won game 1?
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:10 GMT
#998
On June 01 2018 12:25 Sermokala wrote:
Here's a hot take for you. If the cavs win this year lebron is.better then jordan.

Reasonable argument. Could also be tied at 1.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:13 GMT
#999
On June 01 2018 12:31 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs

I mean, its obvious what happened. They did the review and KD was fouled by Green like a half step before and also the charge was a 50/50 so they just did the best thing possible.

Yeah, close call, but there was a Green foul before the charge. Either way, it was the best call.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:15 GMT
#1000
TT is really growing to be an obnoxious fly riding on the greatness of Lebron.
The elbow on Shaun and the shove against Green should be a suspension.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Prev 1 48 49 50 51 52 62 Next
Please log in or register to reply.
Live Events Refresh
RSL Revival
10:00
Group C
ByuN vs SHINLIVE!
herO vs TBD
Gerald vs TBD
Tasteless535
ComeBackTV 469
Crank 434
IndyStarCraft 108
Rex71
3DClanTV 46
Liquipedia
CranKy Ducklings
10:00
Master Swan Open #98
CranKy Ducklings42
LiquipediaDiscussion
[ Submit Event ]
Live Streams
Refresh
StarCraft 2
Tasteless 535
Crank 434
IndyStarCraft 108
Rex 71
RotterdaM 57
Dewaltoss 32
Railgan 25
StarCraft: Brood War
Britney 31964
Rain 3630
Hyuk 1438
firebathero 890
Jaedong 752
actioN 692
Shuttle 486
Stork 350
Leta 159
PianO 146
[ Show more ]
Last 106
Mong 95
BeSt 82
Hyun 77
Soulkey 70
Shinee 68
sorry 64
JYJ38
ggaemo 33
Movie 33
JulyZerg 32
soO 25
Noble 17
Bale 17
Hm[arnc] 14
HiyA 7
Pusan 5
ajuk12(nOOB) 5
Dota 2
Gorgc2276
singsing601
XaKoH 526
XcaliburYe273
League of Legends
JimRising 403
Counter-Strike
fl0m2574
zeus571
Other Games
summit1g16506
FrodaN3413
B2W.Neo963
KnowMe187
Fuzer 84
Mew2King63
Organizations
Dota 2
PGL Dota 2 - Main Stream14624
PGL Dota 2 - Secondary Stream1664
Other Games
gamesdonequick553
StarCraft 2
Blizzard YouTube
StarCraft: Brood War
BSLTrovo
sctven
[ Show 14 non-featured ]
StarCraft 2
• Berry_CruncH155
• LUISG 26
• AfreecaTV YouTube
• intothetv
• Kozan
• IndyKCrew
• LaughNgamezSOOP
• Migwel
• sooper7s
StarCraft: Brood War
• BSLYoutube
• STPLYoutube
• ZZZeroYoutube
League of Legends
• Lourlo1101
• Stunt1037
Upcoming Events
Kung Fu Cup
1h 15m
Cure vs Reynor
Classic vs herO
IPSL
6h 15m
ZZZero vs rasowy
Napoleon vs KameZerg
OSC
8h 15m
BSL 21
9h 15m
Tarson vs Julia
Doodle vs OldBoy
eOnzErG vs WolFix
StRyKeR vs Aeternum
Sparkling Tuna Cup
23h 15m
RSL Revival
23h 15m
Reynor vs sOs
Maru vs Ryung
Kung Fu Cup
1d 1h
WardiTV Korean Royale
1d 1h
BSL 21
1d 9h
JDConan vs Semih
Dragon vs Dienmax
Tech vs NewOcean
TerrOr vs Artosis
IPSL
1d 9h
Dewalt vs WolFix
eOnzErG vs Bonyth
[ Show More ]
Replay Cast
1d 12h
Wardi Open
2 days
Monday Night Weeklies
2 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
3 days
BSL: GosuLeague
3 days
The PondCast
3 days
Replay Cast
4 days
RSL Revival
4 days
BSL: GosuLeague
5 days
RSL Revival
5 days
WardiTV Korean Royale
6 days
RSL Revival
6 days
Liquipedia Results

Completed

Proleague 2025-11-07
Stellar Fest: Constellation Cup
Eternal Conflict S1

Ongoing

C-Race Season 1
IPSL Winter 2025-26
KCM Race Survival 2025 Season 4
SOOP Univ League 2025
YSL S2
BSL Season 21
CSCL: Masked Kings S3
SLON Tour Season 2
RSL Revival: Season 3
META Madness #9
BLAST Rivals Fall 2025
IEM Chengdu 2025
PGL Masters Bucharest 2025
Thunderpick World Champ.
CS Asia Championships 2025
ESL Pro League S22
StarSeries Fall 2025
FISSURE Playground #2
BLAST Open Fall 2025

Upcoming

BSL 21 Non-Korean Championship
Acropolis #4
IPSL Spring 2026
HSC XXVIII
RSL Offline Finals
WardiTV 2025
IEM Kraków 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026
BLAST Bounty Winter 2026: Closed Qualifier
eXTREMESLAND 2025
ESL Impact League Season 8
SL Budapest Major 2025
TLPD

1. ByuN
2. TY
3. Dark
4. Solar
5. Stats
6. Nerchio
7. sOs
8. soO
9. INnoVation
10. Elazer
1. Rain
2. Flash
3. EffOrt
4. Last
5. Bisu
6. Soulkey
7. Mini
8. Sharp
Sidebar Settings...

Advertising | Privacy Policy | Terms Of Use | Contact Us

Original banner artwork: Jim Warren
The contents of this webpage are copyright © 2025 TLnet. All Rights Reserved.