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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
May 31 2018 23:08 GMT
#981
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 00:01 GMT
#982
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:32 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 01:21 Elroi wrote:
When you hook the defenders arm to go up into a jump shot, that should be an offensive foul 100% of the times.


On June 01 2018 01:25 andrewlt wrote:
The Harden rule was a point of emphasis in the offseason. The refs should have called it correctly in the regular season instead of waiting for the playoffs.

Too much of Houston's offense is based on baiting bogus calls from the officials. One of their pet plays is when somebody pretends to screen then pushes Harden's defender into him while he starts shooting a 3. Harden got more foul calls on 3-pt attempts than most teams in the NBA.

The thing with Harden is that he has this move where he initiates the shooting motion as soon as the defender puts an arm to his chest (usually as a result of forcing through screens) or in front of him. This is different from the egregious drive-hook-and-shoot which is an obvious offensive foul. This is the one causing problems with the refs, and Nunn is right that IFyou call this as a foul, it should be a non-shooting foul. Or maybe not call it at all. But I can see the reason why it is a foul since it is an obvious intrusion into the offensive player's space. The defense has to adjust and get better, I guess, which, if anything, what we can appreciate from this whole thing - Harden's "creativity" puts a new flavor into the game.


Except it isn't. All space that isn't currently occupied by the offensive player, or will naturally be occupied as a result of momentum is not his space. Technically ripthroughs and stuff like that are charges/pushes on the offensive player.

See 03:39. Not a ripthrough or hooking, safely a foul, or a no-call. But clearly not an offensive foul.


Yes, its clearly unsportsmanlike conduct by Harden, and no illegal contact was made by either player (its hard to even say contact was made).
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JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 01 2018 00:25 GMT
#983
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Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 01:23 GMT
#984
On June 01 2018 09:01 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:57 cLutZ wrote:
On June 01 2018 07:32 Twinkle Toes wrote:
On June 01 2018 01:21 Elroi wrote:
When you hook the defenders arm to go up into a jump shot, that should be an offensive foul 100% of the times.


On June 01 2018 01:25 andrewlt wrote:
The Harden rule was a point of emphasis in the offseason. The refs should have called it correctly in the regular season instead of waiting for the playoffs.

Too much of Houston's offense is based on baiting bogus calls from the officials. One of their pet plays is when somebody pretends to screen then pushes Harden's defender into him while he starts shooting a 3. Harden got more foul calls on 3-pt attempts than most teams in the NBA.

The thing with Harden is that he has this move where he initiates the shooting motion as soon as the defender puts an arm to his chest (usually as a result of forcing through screens) or in front of him. This is different from the egregious drive-hook-and-shoot which is an obvious offensive foul. This is the one causing problems with the refs, and Nunn is right that IFyou call this as a foul, it should be a non-shooting foul. Or maybe not call it at all. But I can see the reason why it is a foul since it is an obvious intrusion into the offensive player's space. The defense has to adjust and get better, I guess, which, if anything, what we can appreciate from this whole thing - Harden's "creativity" puts a new flavor into the game.


Except it isn't. All space that isn't currently occupied by the offensive player, or will naturally be occupied as a result of momentum is not his space. Technically ripthroughs and stuff like that are charges/pushes on the offensive player.

See 03:39. Not a ripthrough or hooking, safely a foul, or a no-call. But clearly not an offensive foul.


Yes, its clearly unsportsmanlike conduct by Harden, and no illegal contact was made by either player (its hard to even say contact was made).

I agree with the underlying sentiment, but if you consider this unsportsmanlike, then so are pump fakes and shoulder bumps in post up plays. Except for the blatant hooks Harden does, I think plays like this are good because they push the "meta" of the game. It's now up to the defense to improve.
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xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2018 02:09 GMT
#985
I’m not sure how the Cavs can play much better than they did that half, and the score is tied.
JimmiC
Profile Blog Joined May 2011
Canada22817 Posts
June 01 2018 02:47 GMT
#986
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BlackJack
Profile Blog Joined June 2003
United States10574 Posts
June 01 2018 02:55 GMT
#987
Finals MVP race could be very interesting between Curry ams Durant
xDaunt
Profile Joined March 2010
United States17988 Posts
June 01 2018 03:06 GMT
#988
It's such a shame that Draymond has turned into a travesty on offense. That's really the biggest difference between this year's Warriors and last year's team.
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:21 GMT
#989
Its amazing how Van Gundy and Jackson have such eagle eyes for "fouls", yet literally miss every single push off by an offensive player, no matter how egregious.
Freeeeeeedom
Sermokala
Profile Blog Joined November 2010
United States14208 Posts
June 01 2018 03:25 GMT
#990
Here's a hot take for you. If the cavs win this year lebron is.better then jordan.
A wise man will say that he knows nothing. We're gona party like its 2752 Hail Dark Brandon
Scarecrow
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
Korea (South)9175 Posts
June 01 2018 03:26 GMT
#991
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs
Yhamm is the god of predictions
sung_moon
Profile Blog Joined September 2008
United States10110 Posts
June 01 2018 03:29 GMT
#992
JR SMITH WTF ARE YOU SMOKING HOLY SHIT
Forever Young
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:31 GMT
#993
On June 01 2018 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs

I mean, its obvious what happened. They did the review and KD was fouled by Green like a half step before and also the charge was a 50/50 so they just did the best thing possible.
Freeeeeeedom
SlayerS_BunkiE
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
Canada1717 Posts
June 01 2018 03:31 GMT
#994
JR Smith facepalm moment
iloveby.SlayerS_BunkiE[Shield]
cLutZ
Profile Joined November 2010
United States19574 Posts
June 01 2018 03:40 GMT
#995
People can say what they want about the refs, but LeBron has committed uncalled offensive fouls on 4 straight possessions in OT, while getting 2 cheap calls. It's either Shaq rules or not, get it straight.
Freeeeeeedom
JimmyJRaynor
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Canada17815 Posts
June 01 2018 03:41 GMT
#996
hey its steve nash!
Ray Kassar To David Crane : "you're no more important to Atari than the factory workers assembling the cartridges"
andrewlt
Profile Joined August 2009
United States7702 Posts
June 01 2018 03:59 GMT
#997
On June 01 2018 08:08 Twinkle Toes wrote:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zRbwaENao0


So can you say JR won game 1?
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:10 GMT
#998
On June 01 2018 12:25 Sermokala wrote:
Here's a hot take for you. If the cavs win this year lebron is.better then jordan.

Reasonable argument. Could also be tied at 1.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:13 GMT
#999
On June 01 2018 12:31 cLutZ wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 01 2018 12:26 Scarecrow wrote:
such a joke, the ref in position called it a charge in real time. I guess GS need more help... ffs

I mean, its obvious what happened. They did the review and KD was fouled by Green like a half step before and also the charge was a 50/50 so they just did the best thing possible.

Yeah, close call, but there was a Green foul before the charge. Either way, it was the best call.
Bisu - INnoVation - Dark - Rogue - Stats
Twinkle Toes
Profile Joined May 2012
United States3605 Posts
June 01 2018 04:15 GMT
#1000
TT is really growing to be an obnoxious fly riding on the greatness of Lebron.
The elbow on Shaun and the shove against Green should be a suspension.
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