On May 17 2018 12:11 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
your stats speak for itself. jordan is a sg who played in a triangle so his reb and asst will be lower.

among many, how about not losing to a weak competition such as mavs?

having finals stats as he did vs. barrea and jason terry.

losing when he handpicked superstars in his team vs. spurs.

imagine jordan wade bosh allen.

imagine jordan irving love.

yeah.

2011 Finals are not the highlight of his career, for sure.

But let me say again, LeBron led ALL PLAYERS on BOTH TEAMS in points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks while simultaneously leading his team to the first ever comeback from being down 3-1 in the finals.

That overachieving should be a wash with the underachieving of the '11 finals.

A LeBron, Pippen, Rodman, Kukoc, team coached by Phil Jackson wouldn't do poorly either

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

May 17 2018 03:21 GMT

#623

Harden should do a Durant.
Limit points to 30-35 and distribute to others.

Good game!

xwoGworwaTsx

United States984 Posts

May 17 2018 03:29 GMT

#624

answer this

can a player be considered to have a great performance and lose in the finals consistently?

how did he get those stats?

compared to jordan, what was the system between them that allowed those stats?

clue: see pre 1991 jordan stats when he played pg.

xwoGworwaTsx

United States984 Posts

May 17 2018 03:29 GMT

#625

On May 17 2018 12:07 Jerubaal wrote:
Both teams have the ability to absolutely explode. My observation is that the GSW are much more even and their lows are higher. The Rockets seem to have brain fart games.

this is correct.

the term is performance margin, difference between its high and low.

it is applicable to both team and player.

houston has a bigger margin while warriors is more consistent.

its houston real disadvantage this series.

JimmiC

Canada22817 Posts

May 17 2018 03:33 GMT

#626

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BlackJack

United States10574 Posts

May 17 2018 03:36 GMT

#627

On May 17 2018 12:29 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
answer this

can a player be considered to have a great performance and lose in the finals consistently?

.

Lol, seriously?

So you say the 3-5 argument is a bullshit strawman and then say the real reason LeBron is criticized is because he hasn't been excellent in the finals.

And your argument for why he isn't excellent in the finals is because he is 3-5? C'mon now...

xwoGworwaTsx

United States984 Posts

May 17 2018 03:38 GMT

#628

sorry about that.

I usually type while coding and transcribing so its a habit.

And its also convenient to just type ahead quickly without worrying about caps or marks as long as we understand what we are reading.

But i get your point.

xwoGworwaTsx

United States984 Posts

May 17 2018 03:44 GMT

#629

On May 17 2018 12:36 BlackJack wrote:

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it seems you are confused what you are arguing about.

go back and reread your moronic argument about it being better for lebrons legacy to not go to the finals that going 3/9.

BlackJack

United States10574 Posts

May 17 2018 03:53 GMT

#630

On May 17 2018 12:44 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:

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it seems you are confused what you are arguing about.

go back and reread your moronic argument about it being better for lebrons legacy to not go to the finals that going 3/9.

a) that wasn't even my post. b) the guy that posted it was clearly being sarcastic as evidenced by his opener "according to the internet.."

On May 17 2018 00:49 andrewlt wrote:

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But according to the Internet, he would destroy his legacy if he made the finals and his record goes down to 3-6. Better not make the finals and stay at 3-5.

In other news, Al Horford has now improved to 3-15 vs Lebron in the playoffs.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

May 17 2018 04:03 GMT

#631

Wtf was up with the Green shove at like the 3:00 mark? Like does he want to be suspended?

Also:

Herp, derp, Durant with 38 and they lost by 20. Get this man some teammates.

xwoGworwaTsx

United States984 Posts

May 17 2018 04:06 GMT

#632

ah ok my bad

lets restart to your points.

losing 5/8 in the finals means bad performance.

or else what do you think were the reasons they lost?

stats should be evaluated correctly, or else westbrook is goat.

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

May 17 2018 04:13 GMT

#633

Charles Barkley is the best discovery in sports television.
He is an NBA legend and a god.

Game 1: Rockets are done, no chance. Warriors in 3
Today: Rockets played like the Warriors, they got a chance now!

kidleaderr

368 Posts

May 17 2018 04:15 GMT

#634

same tired old discussions about lebron and his finals record. and of course it cant be a discussion without talking about MJ

yawn

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

May 17 2018 04:21 GMT

#635

True. But as a level-headed Lebron fan, I think Lebron is #3 and Kobe #2.
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BlackJack

United States10574 Posts

May 17 2018 04:33 GMT

#636

On May 17 2018 13:06 xwoGworwaTsx wrote:
ah ok my bad

lets restart to your points.

losing 5/8 in the finals means bad performance.

or else what do you think were the reasons they lost?

stats should be evaluated correctly, or else westbrook is goat.

I wouldn't even value Westbrook highly because I value efficiency very highly and Westbrook's efficiency, especially in the playoffs, has been trash for the last several years.

If winning/losing is the metric of a good performance then it's akin to saying every player on the winning team played well and every player on the losing team played poorly. That can't possibly be the case.

In two of LeBron's finals losses the 2nd leading scorers on his teams were Drew Gooden and Timofey Mozgov. In his last finals loss he played possibly the greatest team of all time.

Maybe LeBron should be 5-3 instead of 3-5. But there's no way in hell Jordan gets to 6-0 playing in the finals with 2 lottery teams and against the 2017 Warriors.

I think the player that has actually played the best in the finals so far has been KD. He's averaging something like 33 PPG on 50/40/90 numbers, and he played fantastic defense last year. But his record is only 1-1 in the finals.

BlackJack

United States10574 Posts

May 17 2018 04:39 GMT

#637

On May 17 2018 13:21 Twinkle Toes wrote:
True. But as a level-headed Lebron fan, I think Lebron is #3 and Kobe #2.
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Here's where I got the finals stats for MJ/LeBron

https://www.reddit.com/r/nba/comments/6rg674/comparison_of_mj_lebron_and_kobes_finals_stats/

It has Kobe in there as well if you're inclined to compare them

Twinkle Toes

United States3605 Posts

May 17 2018 04:51 GMT

#638

Just messing BlackJack. I think we have discussed that topic to death here enough to know which way the needle moves for each of us. I just wanted to deescalate it with a crazy interruption.