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Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 14 2017 09:31 GMT
#1241
Because at best it becomes 2-2 for Dortmund, they still would have lost at the chances taken by Spurs! Taking chances > missing.
Spurs 13 shots 4 on target
Dortmund 9 shots 2 on target
Clinical Spurs won
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Ysellian
Profile Joined December 2010
Netherlands9029 Posts
September 14 2017 10:26 GMT
#1242
On September 13 2017 07:00 nayumi wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2017 02:17 Ysellian wrote:
On September 12 2017 21:59 Pandemona wrote:
Juventus logo looks like it was made by the same guy who thought Real Madrid shirts looked good with Comic Sans font for letters and numbers... T_T


Look at all the logo's and Juve's logo stand's out. I hate it, but it makes a lot of sense commercial wise.

I don't think United or Real doing well commercially is due to their logos being better than other clubs mate ...


So? Not quite sure what you are on about. Juventus are doing something distinctly different from every other club, how is there not a commercial opportunity here for them?

Here an article about it:
http://www.underconsideration.com/brandnew/archives/new_logo_and_identity_for_juventus_by_interbrand.php

Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 14 2017 10:43 GMT
#1243
I think he got wrong end of what you were saying lol.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
September 14 2017 11:18 GMT
#1244
On September 14 2017 18:31 Pandemona wrote:
Because at best it becomes 2-2 for Dortmund, they still would have lost at the chances taken by Spurs! Taking chances > missing.
Spurs 13 shots 4 on target
Dortmund 9 shots 2 on target
Clinical Spurs won


Its easy to dominate a game when you are ahead 3-1... Spurs only played good the last 30min...

You should watch games instead of using stats blindly
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 14 2017 11:30 GMT
#1245
I am not using stats blindly, i am using the game that happened.
Dortmund were good first half, still were behind though? Second half were still in control of the ball but without hurting Lloris. Spurs were the opposite, exploiting the defense and poor keeping.
This is how it works at the elite level, you can have the ball, but if you do nothing with it you are going to have a bad time! Yes 1 goal wrongly ruled out and should been 2-2 at the break, but the other was a correct decision.

This is the champions league, if you can't take your chances or make your 60%(!) possession count you are going to have a bad time.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
September 14 2017 13:14 GMT
#1246
Game ends up differently if the 2-2 counts. Dortmund have done more than enough to get at least one point yesterday but the referee cheated them.
Pandemona *
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
Charlie Sheens House51493 Posts
September 14 2017 13:24 GMT
#1247
Was still 45 minutes to play, they had all that possession and didn't even have that many clear cut chances compared to Spurs where Kane was clinical. Shows a side of Spurs i not seen though, one where they are ruthless under pressure! Normally are shite in Champions league when they get asked questions.
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sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
September 14 2017 13:41 GMT
#1248
See, that comment tells me everything I need to know. You didn't watch the game at all. 2-2 fell shortly before the 3-1. So was only 30min left to play.
Please don't discuss a game you didn't watch at all... Highlights on sky sports != full game
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28870 Posts
September 14 2017 13:49 GMT
#1249
Meh, if you lose 1-3 and one goal was wrongly disallowed then it's kinda meaningless to whine about referee, imo. Of course the game could have ended up playing out differently, but it's not a robbery by the ref or whatever. I honestly got the impression, from a couple posts on the previous page, that the referee got like 3 clinical situations wrong, because that's what in my mind would've justified the complains.
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city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
September 14 2017 13:50 GMT
#1250
On September 14 2017 18:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2017 17:55 Pandemona wrote:
Pretty sure both teams were bad. Spurs for playing a bit niavly at the start of the game, but bought it back being very clinical and deserving the victory.
Dortmund just same old problem right, failure taking chances in big games?
Now getting out of this group is very hard for Dortmund, they have to better every result of Spurs from now or beat Spurs at home with more than plus 2 goals or they are finishing 3rd in that group!


Dortmund took their chances and scored goals. The ref just decided not to allow them. How does that make Spurs deserve their victory?

What do you mean by "them?" There was one wrongly disallowed goal. The first one was the correct decision as Aubameyang tried to play the ball and he was well offside. Obviously the second should have counted, but how many other chances did Dortmund create in the second half? Aside from the goal and the wrongly disallowed goal, they had one other shot on target in 90 minutes. You're making it sound like Barca vs. Chelsea 2012, when in reality it was a pretty even match.
Dingodile
Profile Joined December 2011
4139 Posts
September 14 2017 13:53 GMT
#1251
Tottenham's 3rd goal happened immediately after the wrongfully disallowed goal.
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city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
September 14 2017 13:59 GMT
#1252
On September 14 2017 22:53 Dingodile wrote:
Tottenham's 3rd goal happened immediately after the wrongfully disallowed goal.

Again, how many other chances did Dortmund create in the second half? From this thread you'd think 4-1 Dortmund would have been a fair scoreline.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-14 14:01:27
September 14 2017 14:00 GMT
#1253
On September 14 2017 22:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Meh, if you lose 1-3 and one goal was wrongly disallowed then it's kinda meaningless to whine about referee, imo. Of course the game could have ended up playing out differently, but it's not a robbery by the ref or whatever. I honestly got the impression, from a couple posts on the previous page, that the referee got like 3 clinical situations wrong, because that's what in my mind would've justified the complains.


Why should it be meaningless? Are you saying that teams play the same way when the scoreline is 2-2 or 2-1? I hardly doubt you want to say that.

On September 14 2017 22:59 city42 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2017 22:53 Dingodile wrote:
Tottenham's 3rd goal happened immediately after the wrongfully disallowed goal.

Again, how many other chances did Dortmund create in the second half? From this thread you'd think 4-1 Dortmund would have been a fair scoreline.


Dortmund play differently when the scoreline would be 2-2. After a 3-1 in group stage all you do is to stop conceding more goals. Is this your first football season?
Dante08
Profile Blog Joined February 2008
Singapore4179 Posts
September 14 2017 14:03 GMT
#1254
Why are RM fans booing Bale?
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
September 14 2017 14:13 GMT
#1255
Okay, I will try one more time to explain it. Between Yarmolenko's goal and the wrongly disallowed Aubameyang goal, Dortmund didn't force a single save from Lloris. Not one, from the 12th minute to the 56th minute. Their only other shot on target in the match came after the incident, with the Aubameyang shot that Lloris saved with his legs. Stop making it sound like the Tottenham goal was under siege, this is seriously embarrassing (not that it's your first time embarrassing yourself in here).

Also, the disallowed goal was in the 56th minute and Kane scored in the 60th minute.
sharkie
Profile Blog Joined April 2012
Austria18707 Posts
September 14 2017 14:16 GMT
#1256
When did I ever say that tottenham goal was under siege or that dortmund dominated the game? All I said was that Spurs are a very bad side and the ref gifted them the game yesterday
city42
Profile Joined October 2007
1656 Posts
September 14 2017 14:24 GMT
#1257
If Dortmund didn't dominate the game, then on what evidence are Spurs a very bad side?
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28870 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-09-14 14:49:20
September 14 2017 14:48 GMT
#1258
On September 14 2017 23:00 sharkie wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 14 2017 22:49 Liquid`Drone wrote:
Meh, if you lose 1-3 and one goal was wrongly disallowed then it's kinda meaningless to whine about referee, imo. Of course the game could have ended up playing out differently, but it's not a robbery by the ref or whatever. I honestly got the impression, from a couple posts on the previous page, that the referee got like 3 clinical situations wrong, because that's what in my mind would've justified the complains.


Why should it be meaningless? Are you saying that teams play the same way when the scoreline is 2-2 or 2-1? I hardly doubt you want to say that.


I said 'of course the game could have ended up playing out differently'. But you don't know that. I think it's just as likely that Spurs would have scored a 3-2 goal after Dortmund scored a 2-2 goal as that they would not have scored a 3-2 goal. Maybe if Spurs was only up by 1 goal after the 3-2, they'd keep pushing for more goals to secure the win and they'd win 4-2 instead.

When people whine the way you have been about the referee, I expect it to have been a) really abysmal refereeing and/or b) directly changing the result. From what I'm reading, this was one mistake (granted, a significant one) and only indirectly changing the result. If the 2-2 goal was disallowed in the 88th minute, fair enough. But here, Dortmund still had 35 minutes left to play. They weren't desperate to go totally gung ho. Third Tottenham goal might very well have happened even if it was 2-2 instead of 2-1. And if Spurs was so bad, surely Dortmund should have created far more dangerous chances.
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evilfatsh1t
Profile Joined October 2010
Australia8912 Posts
September 14 2017 14:51 GMT
#1259
just because dortmund didnt dominate spurs it doesnt make spurs not bad lol. it just means dortmund is worse than bad
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28870 Posts
September 14 2017 14:58 GMT
#1260
Then it still seems like a weird focal point. ;p For the record, I'd have 0 issues with a post going 'god damn it, this dortmund side is so bad it can't even beat this terrible spurs team'. I mean I wouldn't agree with the definitions of bad or terrible but it'd be totally logically consistent.
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